Looks like Egypt won't become extremist.

It almost certainly WILL at some point, bar a massive and violent second revolution from the Egyptian people. I'm sorry, but even if Fotouh is genuinely liberal, he may still be a puppet, if not just a well-meaning dupe, the ultra-conservatives are still likely to be running things. I really do hope the Egyptians wake up, they deserve better than have to deal with these shenanigans.

Did you read the article or not comprehend it?

Granted, the Muslim Brotherhood may not necessarily be at the top, but they will likely retain some control. And despite all the public shows they put on, they really don't hate each other all that much. It's nothing more than a game, a trick. I do believe Fotouh may genuinely be liberal but he is definitely being used by the Salafis.

When are the Egyptian people going to be able to vote for a good candidate without strings attached? Or could such a guy possibly end up like our JFK did?

...when I read a news story like this, I realize I don't really know much at all.

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To be honest, Skinner, this man, Fotouh, may be genuinely liberal. But if he is, why was he in the Brotherhood?

And, quite honestly, something smells off about this anyway. My research tells me that the MB and the other conservatives have always appeared to be the two sides of the same coin and frankly, no legitimate evidence I've seen has been able to contradict that.

The situation in Egypt really does need to be watched closely. There are many good people in that country who don't know the truth yet.......let's hope that things change for the better, and soon.

Also, my apologies for misreading the article, everyone. Skinner was kind enough to point that out(seriously, thanks. .

He used to be, but he was expelled. I read that in the linked article.

The fact that you missed that rather salient fact leads me to be somewhat skeptical of your "research" that you refer to. What is the nature of your research?

I apologize for misreading the article(still tired, just now got coffee.).......

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I can't say anything about the purveyors of said articles but the information does appear to check out:

http://www.metransparent.com/old/texts/amin_el_mahdi_the_muslim_brotherhood_and_the_egyptian_state.htm
http://www.aina.org/news/2007070595517.htm
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/muslimbrotherhood.html
http://greyfalcon.us/The%20Muslim%20Brotherhood.htm

You may have noticed a few mentions of a guy by the name of John Loftus, who has been one of the top researchers in this field. I don't know much about his politics but he seems to be pro-Democrat, and anti-GOP from what I have gathered(I do hope I'm not wrong here. I have listened to this guy for 2 years now).

It may not be the best information on this issue, but it is genuine from what I understand.

(oops, I just now realized I accidentally replied to one of my own comments instead of Skinner's. Sorry folks.)

I'm terribly sorry, but a 'liberal' Islamist? Fuck no. If this guy, Fotouh, is a genuine liberal then he is certainly no actual Islamist; a true Islamist is an extremely hardcore(usually), conservative(always) who hates women, Jews, and even, in most case, any other Muslim who doesn't conform to their views. Frankly, if this guy is for real I'm surprised his fellow 'Brothers' haven't killed him yet; he just isn't suited for this organization.
Honestly, shame on the New York Times, for claiming that there is such a thing as a liberal Islamist(no sarcasm here, btw).

I know it may be hard to believe but the Islamists aren't nice people.

However, though, one must understand that they are only a very small fraction of the worldwide Muslim population.
Frankly, I sincerely believe that the majority of Muslims are kind and decent people, and would be saddened if they knew the truth about the MB and its origins.

And, I have come across some evidence in recent months suggesting that certain neo-con bigwigs, Grover Norquist in particular, might have been involved with the Brotherhood(unfortunately, though, it seems that the right-wing discreditation machine has been hard at work trying to make fools out of anyone brave enough to look at the information.), particularly exposed by Operation Green Quest(there are a quite a few threads that have been posted on DU about this subject, or at least mentioning it, it seems).