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Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:52 PM May 2015

Wyoming Criminalizes taking Soil Samples and “Ecological” Photos on Public Lands

Source: ALLGOV

Those concerned with environmental pollution in Wyoming can no longer take soil samples or even photos of possible contamination without risking going to jail.

The Republican-dominated state has adopted a new law, the “Data Trespass Bill,” which outlaws “citizen science,” the collecting of ecological data on private and public lands. Violations can result in a year of prison time and fines of $5,000. It also makes any samples inadmissible as evidence in court, even if they show environmental hazards.

The law was adopted in response to a fight between 15 ranchers and the environmental group, Western Watersheds Project, in Fremont County. The ranchers sued the group, claiming it collected water samples from their land without permission. Western Watersheds took the samples because it suspected the landowners were allowing manure to contaminate local water sources. Their tests of the samples revealed the presence of E. coli bacteria, which can cause serious illness and even death in humans.

Supporters of the law are framing it as protecting property rights, but that doesn’t explain the prohibition from taking samples—and photos—from public lands. “The purpose of the bill is to discourage this kind of activity,” Debra Donahue, a law professor specializing in wildlife science at the University of Wyoming, told Courthouse News Service. “The state would prefer not to have citizens going out on public lands collecting data that could then be used against landowners.

Read more: http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/wyoming-criminalizes-taking-soil-samples-and-ecological-photos-on-public-lands-150520?news=856529

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Wyoming Criminalizes taking Soil Samples and “Ecological” Photos on Public Lands (Original Post) Cryptoad May 2015 OP
this can't be constitutional nt geek tragedy May 2015 #1
It is not Constitutional turbinetree May 2015 #9
Thank you. JDPriestly May 2015 #15
It may not be Constitutional but it's legal. Kablooie May 2015 #31
“The state would prefer not to have citizens going out on public lands collecting data" project_bluebook May 2015 #19
Pure Evil right there proud patriot May 2015 #2
yeah. MBS May 2015 #28
does this mean that those working for the oil corps who Javaman May 2015 #3
yes I think it does and here's hoping NRDC wordpix May 2015 #21
"The state would prefer not to have citizens..." < Well, people who would let this stand aren't, so jtuck004 May 2015 #4
next up - it's illegal to even look at the land - Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #5
No more fucked up that anything RWNJ do on a daily basis. Elmer S. E. Dump May 2015 #6
This looks like a job for. . . . annabanana May 2015 #7
If not them then some other lawyer will I am sure and then the cstanleytech May 2015 #11
What about the rights of landowners downstream from a polluting landowner? tclambert May 2015 #8
Good point. Though it does presuppose Deny and Shred May 2015 #18
Seriously? ananda May 2015 #10
This sounds like a target for civil disobedience Jack Rabbit May 2015 #12
My first thought, as well. Frustratedlady May 2015 #17
and Chain-ee IS from Wyo wordpix May 2015 #22
OMG! Enthusiast May 2015 #13
Welllllll.... SoapBox May 2015 #14
Damn that's bad! berni_mccoy May 2015 #16
This country is fucked tabasco May 2015 #20
Stupid modern Republicanism. wolfie001 May 2015 #23
'That's just wrong in so many ways,' no joking. n/t freshwest May 2015 #24
a prime example of the over-grazed by cattle landscape Sunlei May 2015 #25
Hey! Is it NAZI, yet? Octafish May 2015 #26
we're getting close wordpix May 2015 #30
if I am gonna have illegal photos shouldn't it at least b porn? dembotoz May 2015 #27
This is insane. hrmjustin May 2015 #29

turbinetree

(24,701 posts)
9. It is not Constitutional
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:55 PM
May 2015

The land out there, if it is not on private property, is BLM land.
It is your land and my land, this is FEDERAL LAND, and if on a reservation like the Shoshones, they cannot create a law to circumvent the BLM land or its management, we are the BLM.
And the BLM was created for one purpose land management for you and me to enjoy and use.
I know I use to live out there---------and those right wingers are just nuts out there----------they really are.
There are more antelope than human beings---that is a fact, and they have the highest gun deaths based on population, and the most suicides because of the wind, which blows on average about twenty miles per hour, not everyday, but on average out of 365.
Beautiful county---really is--------but, there coal industry (Powder River Basin), oil industry (Tea Pot Dome) cronies own that state right along with the ranchers
They drink the Dick Cheney water.




Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
31. It may not be Constitutional but it's legal.
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:37 PM
May 2015

Unless someone fights the law and is overturned in higher courts.

 

project_bluebook

(411 posts)
19. “The state would prefer not to have citizens going out on public lands collecting data"
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:57 PM
May 2015

WE the people has been replaced by koch brothers fascism, the constitution no longer applies. Next step, a bloody revolution.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
3. does this mean that those working for the oil corps who
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:59 PM
May 2015

do the very same thing will also go to jail?

Oh yeah, I forgot, only bad when it's us.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
21. yes I think it does and here's hoping NRDC
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:17 PM
May 2015

points it out in its lawsuit if it sues over this, which I hope it will.

These ranchers out west think they own even the federal lands they're grazing their herds on.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
4. "The state would prefer not to have citizens..." < Well, people who would let this stand aren't, so
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:04 PM
May 2015

that works out ok.

More like in servitude, sharecroppers who will never get out of their poverty.

"The Equality State"

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
11. If not them then some other lawyer will I am sure and then the
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:14 PM
May 2015

state and thus the citizens of the state will end up taking it in the ass to defend a law that has no chance in hell of surviving a SCOTUS challenge and the only winners will be the lawyers as they walk away with the taxpayers money because a bunch of idiots passed a law thats blatantly unconstitutional.

tclambert

(11,086 posts)
8. What about the rights of landowners downstream from a polluting landowner?
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:55 PM
May 2015

So the rancher upstream gets to poison the water that cattle downstream will drink, thereby putting the downstream ranchers out of business and allowing the upstream rancher to buy up the downstream land at a steep discount.

Clearly this law must have come from lobbyists for the upstream ranchers. The downstream ranchers need to organize and demand equal rights.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
18. Good point. Though it does presuppose
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:53 PM
May 2015

that this is a reversible process. Why buy the contaminated ranch, even at the steep discount, if it is deadly far into the future. Boy, won't they be surprised !

Capitalism is allowing property rights to become the best new asset class for the PTB. Oil, clean water, food ... such easily manipulated markets, and so necessary to billions of consumers.

Its a dream come true.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
12. This sounds like a target for civil disobedience
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:41 PM
May 2015

Just out of curiosity, was this really the idea of somebody in Wyoming or is it an ALEC-crafted piece of corporate tyranny?

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
20. This country is fucked
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:34 PM
May 2015

as long as people keep voting for imbecile assholes like these republican state legislators.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
25. a prime example of the over-grazed by cattle landscape
Fri May 22, 2015, 10:20 AM
May 2015

This is a prime example of the over-grazed landscape that Western Watersheds Project seeks to protect through its many efforts.

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wordpix

(18,652 posts)
30. we're getting close
Fri May 22, 2015, 02:37 PM
May 2015

I'm sure some people are emigrating from certain states as fast as possible.

I live in a Repuke-run town in a blue state and I've just about had it here after 25 yrs. I would love to be in a sane Dem-run town.

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