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muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:05 PM May 2015

Ukraine crisis: Rebel commander Alexei Mozgovoi 'killed'

Source: BBC

One of the top rebel commanders in eastern Ukraine, Alexei Mozgovoi, has been killed in an attack on his car, Russian and Ukrainian media report.

Mr Mozgovoi led the "Prizrak" (Ghost) battalion which was based in the Alchevsk area of Luhansk.

Reports said a bomb struck his car, which was then targeted by gunfire that killed Mozgovoi and six others.

Mr Mozgovoi was a critic of the Russian-backed separatist leadership and the Minsk accord signed with Kiev.


Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32861947

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Ukraine crisis: Rebel commander Alexei Mozgovoi 'killed' (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler May 2015 OP
Uhhhh eloydude May 2015 #1
As long as no one laugh with glee Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #2
The Russian's Duckhunter935 May 2015 #3
Expect reprisals. joshcryer May 2015 #5
I expect so Duckhunter935 May 2015 #8
"Mr Mozgovoi was a critic of the Russian-backed separatist leadership and the Minsk accord" newthinking May 2015 #4
Not quite true as usual Duckhunter935 May 2015 #6
snarky man snarks as usual... newthinking May 2015 #10
Nothing personal about the truth Duckhunter935 May 2015 #11
in other news Duckhunter935 May 2015 #7
must be part of the "Humanitarian aid" Duckhunter935 May 2015 #9
If the BBC puts the word 'killed' in quotes reorg May 2015 #12
The quotes are ambiguous. Igel May 2015 #13
it means they are passing on reports in other media, rather than anything official (nt) muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #14
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
3. The Russian's
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:34 PM
May 2015

wanted him out and he has had assassination attempts on him before. Not a great loss, They also killed his press spokeswoman.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
4. "Mr Mozgovoi was a critic of the Russian-backed separatist leadership and the Minsk accord"
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:39 PM
May 2015

In other words he was against the peace efforts. This could have come internally.

From everything I have read (the MSM is a laugh as for accuracy), one of the reasons that skirmishes continue is disagreement between military units on both sides of the conflict about the effectiveness, or even desirability, of the peace efforts (though the biggest factor keeping things from calming down is that the primary requirement (Federalization or similar) has not and appears may not be passed by the Ukrainian Parliament).

But hopefully this means more power for the commanders who are seriously seeking a peaceful resolution on the rebel side.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
6. Not quite true as usual
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:28 PM
May 2015
September 16 2014 6:06 AM EDT

Ukraine Passes Law Granting Rebels Limited Self Rule, Ratifies EU Association Agreement

Update as of 6:01 a.m. EDT: Ukraine’s parliament passed a law Tuesday offering special status to regions in the control of pro-Russia rebels, in an effort to establish peace in the region, the Wall Street Journal reported. The law had been criticized by some of the country’s leaders who said that President Petro Poroshenko was handing over sovereign territory to the rebels.

"At the initiative of the president and by the hands of parliament, Donbas has been surrendered,” Andriy Shevchenko, a pro-European lawmaker, said on his Twitter page, according to the Journal.

The law, which offers three years of self rule after elections on Dec. 7, was part of a cease-fire agreement signed between Ukraine and the separatists on Sept. 5, and also offers amnesty to the latter. However, the rebels demand full independence from Ukraine, the Journal reported.


http://www.ibtimes.com/ukraine-passes-law-granting-rebels-limited-self-rule-ratifies-eu-association-agreement-1689629

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
10. snarky man snarks as usual...
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:55 AM
May 2015

Can you please exhibit more self restraint. I know about that law. It was not what was agreed toward in the Minsk agreements and was designed to allow Kyiv enough control to continue suppressing the region.

The rebels have agreed twice with Federalization. Which is a much more dependable fact than our wonderful un-investigative tabloid press.

PS: I know you will not agree but can you abstain from the personal attacks method of argument?

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
11. Nothing personal about the truth
Sun May 24, 2015, 07:59 AM
May 2015

what you posted was just factually incorrect sir.

Have a great day

Do you think it would help the situation if Russia stops or moves it's "military exercises" it has held along the Ukrainian border for over a year allowing it to move supplies and equipment into Ukraine?

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
7. in other news
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:33 PM
May 2015
Kiev prisoners 'admit to being in Russian army'


The men had travelled to Ukraine on a "reconnaissance mission", according to the OSCE.

"One of them said he had received orders from his military unit to go to Ukraine. He was to 'rotate' after three months. Both of them said they had been to Ukraine 'on missions' before," it added.


"One of them stressed repeatedly that there were no Russian troops involved in fighting in Ukraine."

The Ukrainian government, Western leaders and Nato say there is clear evidence that Russia is helping the rebels with heavy weapons and soldiers. Independent experts echo that accusation.

Moscow denies it, insisting that any Russians serving with the rebels are "volunteers"
.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32840502
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
9. must be part of the "Humanitarian aid"
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:41 PM
May 2015


http://lugansk-news.com/ukrainian-army-shot-down-russian-uav-forpost-that-costs-6-million-usd/


Russian FORPOST UAV #923 at JSC “Ural Works of Civil Aviation” factory in 2013

Russian FORPOST UAV #923 at JSC “Ural Works of Civil Aviation” factory in 2013


What would help is if Russia quit supplying troops and equipment like this under the cover of there Military exercise" that has been going along the Ukrainian border for over a year.

Simple question, Do you think Russia should stop or move this exercise from the Ukrainian border?

reorg

(3,317 posts)
12. If the BBC puts the word 'killed' in quotes
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:06 PM
May 2015

What does that mean? That someone wasn't actually murdered? Or is there some tacit satisfaction that yet another popular 'rebel' had to bite the dust and that there is perceived room for speculation that he fell victim to internal strife instead of being assassinated by forces that have fuelled the conflict throughout?

Alexey Mozgovoy had his own social media page with interesting pictures and news: http://vk.com/id265927036

He was apparently not only a soldier but also a singer

Video about the visit of the 'Caravana Internacional Antifascista' he had invited, including the Ska band 'Banda Bassotti':




Igel

(35,320 posts)
13. The quotes are ambiguous.
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:20 PM
May 2015

They might be distancing the BBC from the report--it's a quote that they're repeating and not anything like an assertion that they're making.

He's been killed before. Or, should I say, 'killed' before, which brings us into scare-quote land.

He was assassinated, but typically when we cite an assassination we have some idea who did it. As it is, he was just 'killed'--they're possibly hinting at much more, but don't want to or can't say who did it.

Why? Because it might have been the first suspect that comes to mind--somebody affiliated with Kyiv, either formally or by persuasion. It might have been a Cossack group out for more power, or a Chechen/Ossetian group that is defending Russia either by commission or by persuasion. Might even be somebody who wants to kill pro-European gay fascist Jews or heretics and considers the cease-fire to be a betrayal of all that's Light and Good. Might be some local whose family was killed by Mozgovoy or his men, justly or unlikely. Or just somebody who's had his car or property commandeered and his life ruined by the "good guys." Mind have been the FSB, for all the BBC knows. Rumors are flying all over the place. Lifenews filmed the location. Then the footage was taken down. So even among the Russian-controlled media there is, or at least was, a bit of confusion.

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