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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:08 PM May 2015

Putin Says FIFA Arrests Show U.S. Meddling Abroad, Backs Blatter

Source: Reuters/Huffington Post

Putin said the arrests in Switzerland on Wednesday were an "obvious attempt" to prevent FIFA head Sepp Blatter's re-election this week but that the 79-year-old had Russia's backing.

"If anything happened, it did not happen on U.S. territory and the United states has nothing to do with it," he said. "This is yet another blatant attempt (by the United States) to extend its jurisdiction to other states."

...

"Unfortunately, our American partners use such methods to achieve their selfish aims and illegally persecute people," he said, citing former U.S. intelligence contractor Edward Snowden and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, both of whom have evaded prosecution in the United States for divulging secret information by hiding abroad.

"I do not rule out that in the case of FIFA, it's exactly the same," Putin said.



Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/28/putin-fifa-arrests-us-world-cup_n_7458470.html



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Putin Says FIFA Arrests Show U.S. Meddling Abroad, Backs Blatter (Original Post) geek tragedy May 2015 OP
Stuff it, Putie! leftofcool May 2015 #1
Considering that its suspected JustAnotherGen May 2015 #2
Relax Pootie, those FBI personnel were on vacation Bosonic May 2015 #3
I hold no brief for Putin or the FIFA guy, but I kind of agree with him on this: Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #4
If they laundered through American banks and trades... Oktober May 2015 #6
So the Banks aided this? Punx May 2015 #13
Only if the banks knew that they were laundering bribe money. SunSeeker May 2015 #15
Yeah Punx May 2015 #17
If there were then they should be... Oktober May 2015 #19
the crimes alleged happened in the US. Also, pretty clear that the US and Swiss geek tragedy May 2015 #7
The US tried to be the host for the World Cup that was sold to Qatar muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #8
Yup. Pigs get fat but hogs get slaughtered. SunSeeker May 2015 #16
Here - a pretty simple explanation: enlightenment May 2015 #9
Wrong. An American FIFA official has been singing for two years. Two have been charged. Bernardo de La Paz May 2015 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #5
"This is yet another blatant attempt to extend its jurisdiction to other states." hughee99 May 2015 #10
Fuck you Putin. It did happen on American soil. SunSeeker May 2015 #11
He's been selling Grit door-to-door. christx30 May 2015 #20
Russia will now host World Cup of FIFA. NuclearDem May 2015 #12
Putin paid his bribes and doesn't want the matter relitigated. Renew Deal May 2015 #14
Putin is Number One Best Troll. EEO May 2015 #18
Nice to see Putin found a way to praise his golden boys in his bullshit anti-American rant... Blue_Tires May 2015 #22

JustAnotherGen

(31,879 posts)
2. Considering that its suspected
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:12 PM
May 2015

That it was his good upstanding citizens that robbed the IRS - he can sit down now. This is a dodge, deflect, and defer.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
4. I hold no brief for Putin or the FIFA guy, but I kind of agree with him on this:
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:15 PM
May 2015

"If anything happened, it did not happen on U.S. territory and the United states has nothing to do with it," he said. "This is yet another blatant attempt (by the United States) to extend its jurisdiction to other states."

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It seems like whatever FIFA did was only tangentially at best related to the US. If they took bribes from South Africa or Qatar, what does that have to do with us?

I remain leery of countries that claim the reach of their laws extends beyond their borders.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
6. If they laundered through American banks and trades...
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:18 PM
May 2015

.... then it is absolutely under American jurisdiction.

Punx

(446 posts)
13. So the Banks aided this?
Thu May 28, 2015, 01:58 PM
May 2015

If so will there be any penalty to the banks or their personnel for participating in the money laundering?

SunSeeker

(51,691 posts)
15. Only if the banks knew that they were laundering bribe money.
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:06 PM
May 2015

That would be hard to prove. We do have FIFA execs on tape talking about getting bribes (hence their arrests) but I have not heard about us having evidence the banks knew the money was illegal. However, the feds did say these arrests are "just the beginning."

Punx

(446 posts)
17. Yeah
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:48 PM
May 2015

I sorta doubt that the FIFA people were walking into the banks with bags of Dollars, Rubles or Rials.

Of course if the situation was reversed and they were paying the politicians, then no crime there.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
19. If there were then they should be...
Thu May 28, 2015, 04:13 PM
May 2015

... But the banks don't necessarily have to be complicit to be used in an illegal manner.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. the crimes alleged happened in the US. Also, pretty clear that the US and Swiss
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:22 PM
May 2015

governments were cooperating closely on this,

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
8. The US tried to be the host for the World Cup that was sold to Qatar
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:52 PM
May 2015

(which was the stupidest decision FIFA has ever made, and must have had massive bribes behind it; it made the process a laughing stock).

And, as others have said, US companies were involved:

In the case of the FIFA charges, the alleged crimes include wire fraud. In an e-mail to The Washington Post, Prof. Jennifer Arlen of the New York University School of Law pointed out that the need for jurisdiction in that case is fairly rigid. "With wire fraud, one needs a wire that originates in the US," Arlen wrote. "This means that most of the acts of bribery that occurred (within FIFA) over the years would not be covered." On Wednesday morning, the FBI searched the offices of CONCACAF, FIFA's continental confederation located in Miami. Among the companies alleged to have been involved in criminal activity is Traffic Sports USA Inc., which also is based in Florida.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/05/27/how-the-us-can-arrest-fifa-officials-in-switzerland-explained/

SunSeeker

(51,691 posts)
16. Yup. Pigs get fat but hogs get slaughtered.
Thu May 28, 2015, 02:12 PM
May 2015

FIFA could have kept getting away with the corruption if it just kept it to media rights kickbacks and such. But they jumped the shark with the Qatar bid. The execs just got too greedy, the pigs became hogs, and gorged on that Qatar bribe money, despite the millions they were already feeding on.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,036 posts)
21. Wrong. An American FIFA official has been singing for two years. Two have been charged.
Thu May 28, 2015, 08:12 PM
May 2015

From the BBC article linked above:

How deep are the US ties to the case?

The Miami offices of Concacaf, the football federation under Fifa that governs the game in North and Central America and the Caribbean, were raided by FBI agents early on Wednesday.

Two of the people who have been charged - Jeffrey Webb and Jack Warner - are the current and past heads of Concacaf, respectively.

Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
10. "This is yet another blatant attempt to extend its jurisdiction to other states."
Thu May 28, 2015, 01:07 PM
May 2015

So, tell me more about Ukraine, Vlad?

I'm not a PR guy, but I can't imagine a single one of them said "You should align with Sepp Blatter. People love Sepp."

SunSeeker

(51,691 posts)
11. Fuck you Putin. It did happen on American soil.
Thu May 28, 2015, 01:14 PM
May 2015

America is the largest soccer media market in the world. It is totally our business. And the way we got the goods on those FIFA execs is that one of them, an American in New York, wore a wire for the feds after getting popped for tax evasion (same way we got Al Capone) for not reporting all those millions in bribe money he got as income. Blazer had a $19,000/mo. apartment overlooking Central Park, with a $6,000/mo. apartment right next to it just for his cats. He couldn't explain where he was getting all the money for his Caligula-style excesses.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/28/football/who-is-chuck-blazer/index.html


 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
12. Russia will now host World Cup of FIFA.
Thu May 28, 2015, 01:45 PM
May 2015

Russia will field very attractive, manly president, who will score 20 goals in ten minutes. Ukraine Nazis not allowed into glorious Russia World Cup of FIFA.

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