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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:21 PM Jun 2015

EU's Juncker snubs Greek PM after 'absurd' debt deal rebuff

Source: Yahoo! News / Reuters

BRUSSELS/ATHENS (Reuters) - The European Union's chief executive declined to speak to Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras on Saturday after the leftist leader rejected as "absurd" international creditors' terms for a cash-for-reform deal to keep his country from default.

An EU official said European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, who has tried to bridge the gap between Athens and its lenders, refused to take a telephone call from the Greek premier since there was nothing new to discuss.

A Greek government official denied the report and said Tsipras held a conference call on the debt crisis with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande.

The unresolved debt impasse, which is weighing on financial markets and could hit the global economic recovery, will hang over a Group of Seven leaders' summit that Merkel will chair in southern Germany from Sunday. A German spokesman said Tsipras was not invited.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/greece-resume-debt-talks-tspiras-rejects-absurd-terms-142618058--business.html

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EU's Juncker snubs Greek PM after 'absurd' debt deal rebuff (Original Post) Little Tich Jun 2015 OP
They want to "teach Greece a lesson" newthinking Jun 2015 #1
Well shoot, when does OUR foreign owned debt get forgiven? 7962 Jun 2015 #2
I'm sure China will agree to restructure your debt, delrem Jun 2015 #4
the US hill2016 Jun 2015 #6
Greece is not asking for debt forgiveness newthinking Jun 2015 #9
These guys are as bad as the FIFA board pscot Jun 2015 #3
Greece is still strategically very important to Western Europe and to the US. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #5
double-edged sword... Ironing Man Jun 2015 #7
The Greek tourism market will not dry up. Have you ever been there? No way it will dry up. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #8

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
1. They want to "teach Greece a lesson"
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:56 PM
Jun 2015

The truth is that Greece owes less debt proportionally than the US. Thej just can't print their own money to hide it.

Until recent times it was *always* a principle to hold occasional debt forgiveness because it is humane and good in the long term for all participants. That has been happening since biblical times.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
4. I'm sure China will agree to restructure your debt,
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:28 PM
Jun 2015

in exchange for concessions on how the US does business both at home and abroad. In particular, I'm sure the USA will be eager to open its door to unfettered Chinese investment and control. No?

 

hill2016

(1,772 posts)
6. the US
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 02:44 AM
Jun 2015

is a contributor to the IMF. Should the US just tell the IMF to forgive its portion of Greece's debts?

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
9. Greece is not asking for debt forgiveness
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 06:29 AM
Jun 2015

so it really doesn't matter. My point about debt forgiveness was to accentuate that historically countries have handled these things a bit more humanely (and logically I believe).

Especially given that money is a fiat. If we can print money to buy back our own bonds (which we did in the last few years), then certainly the idea that allowing some compromise in these things is not quite a complicated or unethical as the PTB present it.

I find it particularly ironic that Germany is the primary one keeping a compromise from occurring. And yet Germany was heavily reliant on the goodwill and money of other countries to get where it is now. That is not to dismiss what Germany did, just that for someone who had so much help and compromise along the way you would think they would be somewhat less rigid.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
3. These guys are as bad as the FIFA board
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:58 PM
Jun 2015

The knives are out for Tsipris. They may cut themselves if they aren't careful.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. Greece is still strategically very important to Western Europe and to the US.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 02:24 AM
Jun 2015

It is foolish for the Germans to treat Greece in this way.

Ironing Man

(164 posts)
7. double-edged sword...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 02:59 AM
Jun 2015

its certainly true that Greece is geographically important to Europe - and all the organisations that are Europe-centric like the EU, NATO etc.. so that Europe probably ought not to go too hard on Greece incase it goes looking for a new friend (and we all know the name of that friend...), its also true that Europe is critical to Greece. Putin might lend the Greek government a large wedge on 'good' terms, but Russia doesn't have the market (or inclination) to single-handedly support the Greek economy by buying everything they produce.

if Greece (or, more acurately, the current Greek government in a political cleft) decides to push the Fuck You button and accept Russian baleout money, then the EU will follow up with its own Fuck You button. Syriza might get a year of being able to pay for all the things they promised - which wasn't far from unicorns, rainbows and fairydust - but the rest of the Greek economy will tank when its tourism revenue dries up and the EU single market is no longer available to Greek industry.

dangerous games on both sides.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
8. The Greek tourism market will not dry up. Have you ever been there? No way it will dry up.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:07 AM
Jun 2015

Plus, Greece is not the only country on the line. All the countries that dip their noses into the Mediterranean are having a tough time.

The Germans love the summer sun of those southern lands. The Greed Tourism market will not dry up.

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