Hamas has shown they are quite good at anti-Jewish propaganda, but actual governing, which includes putting a stop to these "jihad" groups, not so much.

"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel's destruction.

Instead of trying to curb Gaza's Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat's Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas. Sheikh Yassin continues to inspire militants today; during the recent war in Gaza, Hamas fighters confronted Israeli troops with "Yassins," primitive rocket-propelled grenades named in honor of the cleric.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847

Solved the problem once and for all instead of finding a non-violent solution?

Hamas is a horrible organization.

The Green Prince is the story of the son of one of the leaders of Hamas who becomes an informant or agent of Israel. It is quite critical of both Hamas and the Israeli intelligence services and is well worth watching. Hamas is an extremely violent organization, unconscionably violent. And until the Palestinians can control the extremely violent individuals within their ranks, there can be no peace.

Imagine how it would be if groups of Americans shot rockets into Mexico or Canada or, let's say, from Alaska into Russia?

There would be no peace at that border. Palestine cannot allow its citizens to shoot rockets into areas controlled by Israel. If Palestine wants different borders, it will have to negotiate for them.

It makes no sense to expect Israel to respect Palestinian borders of some kind or to agree with Palestine on suitable borders safe for each country as long as Palestine allows its citizens to breach the borders with rockets. It just makes no sense.

Palestine has to show that it can enforce a border before the placement of borders can reasonably be negotiated. That would be true for any country. If Canada breached our border with rockets constantly, we would probably consider ourselves at war with that country and proceed to take land to protect our cities from the rockets. Sending rockets is an act of war that elicits a counter-attack.

Whatever a person may think about Palestine and Palestinians, attacking with rockets, even home-made ones that don't hurt anyone is an act of war that will cause the attacked country to think seriously about retaliating. If you punch your neighbor at a bar, you will probably start a fight. In fact, punching a family member is called domestic violence. It's just common sense. If we express our anger and frustrations with violence, we can expect a violent response in many cases. The first thing a two-year-old has to learn, and it is a hard lesson, is that when someone takes your toys, you must not hit that person. You have to share and work things out peacefully and agree not to take each others' toys. That's just fundamental.

Hamas should not be sending rockets. What in the world do they think they will accomplish by shooting them off? Fireworks? Kill a couple of people? What is their reasoning? It certainly is not the way to inspire confidence in a negotiation process. Hamas goads Israel into retaliating against Hamas' rockets and then whines to the world. Hamas needs to grow up.

tactic. Violence has not worked.

It never will. Palestinians need to punish those who incite violence from Israel. Same for Israelis. The peace process will take two participants, both willing to recognize the legitimate rights and existence of the other within agreed borders. And the agreed borders have to be negotiated and enforced by both sides. There just is no other solution.

I am not approving the rocket attacks nor the airstrikes.

Netanyahu has done much in the last few years to isolate Israel. If no one rushes to his aid one cannot be surprised.

You're right.... We're sick of your bull.

into a broken bloody catatonic heap on the ground but still finds the strength to stick up his middle finger at the big dude, there is really not much to say.

Israel is 1/19th the size of California, surrounded by 22 hostile Arab/Islamic dictatorships with 640 times her size, and 60 times her population. Who is the little guy here again?

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boasting about how powerful he is and whining like an obese 2-year old child having a temper tantrum because his donuts were taken away after eating an even dozen.

and making life tough for them would go a long ways towards fixing that problem there nuttiyahoo. All Benji knows is to kill. His only tool in his tool box is a weapon that kills people. He doesn't know how to talk to people he knows how to scold them, talk down to them but on a personal level he has no people skills. Thats how I see it anyway.

Go ahead and have at me
I'm probably not going to read much anyway as I have a shitpot full of things I have to do today besides just read and respond here at DU. My second home btw.

The way I see it other than because of the Bible, something that I personally find repulsive, Israel wouldn't exist as a country today. IMO and not necessarily needing a response from anyone just my opinion.

At any rate have a wonderful day, I'm going to try to have one myself.

Give some thought as to what we did to the native people of our land here in the good old USA

quit shitting on them and maybe they won't have a reason to retaliate. Do ya think?!

The smart thing to do would be to coordinate with Hamas, the atmosphere is changing,
and one needs to work against the greater threat despite their history.

What would happen if the world did condemn these "firecracker attacks" from Hamas and then Israel bombed the shite out of Gaza again.
Would our moral outrage at such a disportionate retaliation be labeled What?

but it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what it means.