when a fight breaks out.

Say if the black block attacks a cop? Should it be open season on all the protestors?

This was after all a regular meeting of a political lobbying organization. In spite of the breathless police description of the event.

Further to arrest everyone and charge them with excessive bail is a violation of due process. There was a similar incident in a Nevada casino. Police arreste 120 people in the end only 12 were convicted. It's clearly excessive and the police have lied repeatedly about the situation. You say 300 weapons the police at one time reported 1000.

We have seen police over reach many times in the Bay Area when dealing with OMG and often the cities have to pay out for the ensuing suits.

This will cost the city of Waco big time in the end.

It is possible that some of the bikers were squabbling, and a fight broke out between them, and things progressed from there.

That's what happened in a state park near where I lived several years ago. Gang members were picnicking there with family members, including children, when some kind of dispute started and several pulled out weapons and began firing.

So I'll wait before deciding the police were at fault in this situation, despite someone's claim that he heard an automatic weapon. Gang members, like other civilians, can and do own automatic weapons.

Without more facts we shouldn't be rushing to condemn the gang members, the police, or anyone else. We simply don't know what happened yet.

But if the police arrested people unnecessarily then they should face serious consequences.

They arrested everyone who they thought at the time were involved. It could have been higher.

"This will cost the city of Waco big time in the end."

I'll bet you not.

Including the swat team, the responded within 30 seconds of the fight breaking out.

Those dang lobbyists always meeting in bars and having shootouts in the parking lots.

Get serious.

Is quite an different experience from passively experiencing television programming. I still read a lot of bullshit none the less so your point is well made.

Arresting everybody in the area and giving them $1 million bonds is bullshit.

And I'm waiting to see how many of those dead were killed by cops.

Http://www.agingrebel.com

For an alternative viewpoint.

The gathering was a regularly scheduled meeting of a biker lobbying group. Hardly a party for OMG's as portrayed by police.

The Texas legislature passed one of their bills shortly after the incident.

If the Hell's Angels and Mongols (and their legal firepower) decide to join the struggle -- ruh roh.


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I won't pretend I'm not biased. I got run off the goddamned road by bikers because I tripped a traffic light on them when there was a huge swarm of them riding through my town, ruining a brand new tire in the process. Naturally there wasn't a single cop out on the roads.

Groups and communities, whether united by interest, hobby, or ethnicity, need to start standing up and getting their fringes in control.

and all the Republican candidates were pandering to them in Iowa the other day. Para military thugs uniting behind Republicans is bad news.

It made the national press. Seems pretty effective if you care. Considering that is where they will be tried what would you suggest. Peaceful
Protest 0 arrests seems like they raised awareness to this legal travesty well.

And I think the cops were totally out of control. I want all the videos released and what "intelligence" they had that prepared them for the response they mounted explained publicly.

You hate non bikers, eh?

I don't ride now but I know civil rights violations when I see them.

I'm with you lets see the video.

of a biker gang? Just asking.

Not everyone on a motorcycle is in a gang. Even those in motorcycle clubs are not necessarily in outlaw motorcycle clubs.

Nor do we engage in shootouts in the parking lots of bars or anywhere else.

Your right to life, due process and fair criminal trials. If it turns out that the majority were killed and shot by police, will your opinion change?



Cops apparently only overreach with some people in your world.

the hand of the cops but that still would not necessarily mean that the shootings were unjustified. It stands to reason that cops, being better trained at using a gun, might shoot more accurately and thus kill more people than someone who mostly carries a gun around but may not have a lot of actual training in how to use it. If you are in the act of shooting at somebody you might give up your right to life, due process and a criminal trial during that actual moment. Afterward, of course you have those rights, assuming you survive. But if you pull out a gun and aim it at another biker, you can hardly complain if a cop shoots you first. My world, your world, you know hardly anything about me, so your assumptions are irrelevant. I don't know whether the cops overreached or not. And neither do you.

The people I used to ride with? I'm only in touch with one he's a scientist working on defense projects, we don't talk about politics.

Maybe it is just me but that seems so junior high school.