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Omaha Steve

(99,744 posts)
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 07:12 PM Jun 2015

Texas man, dog, die of heat exhaustion in locked car

Source: AP

PORT ARTHUR, Texas (AP) — Police say a 72-year-old Texas man and his dog died of apparent heat exhaustion after not being able to get out of his locked sports car.

Police in the Southeast Texas city of Port Arthur believe James Rogers did not know how to manually unlock the 2007 Corvette he recently purchased.

Maj. Raymond Clark says Rogers on Monday stopped at a restaurant for coffee. Clark says Rogers went out to the parking lot to check on his dog and left his cellphone in the restaurant.

Investigators believe a cable became loose after Rogers got in and shut the door, with no power to operate the horn or locks. The man and his dog were found dead about four hours later by another restaurant patron. Temperatures outside reached the 90s.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/daf4590d40974c21bde743887184be0f/texas-man-dog-die-heat-exhaustion-locked-car



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Texas man, dog, die of heat exhaustion in locked car (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jun 2015 OP
Sounds like his estate has cause to sue. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2015 #1
It was bad design. gvstn Jun 2015 #2
Good luck to GM with that defense. Xipe Totec Jun 2015 #7
There is one latch, on the floor. Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #31
Yea, whatever. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2015 #32
I find this horrible. But bad design? dballance Jun 2015 #15
Seems to me the latch to open the door should be on the door. gvstn Jun 2015 #17
I think you have good points. dballance Jun 2015 #19
The saddest day for me gvstn Jun 2015 #23
The reason the manual latch isn't in the door Mr.Bill Jun 2015 #22
Thanks. gvstn Jun 2015 #25
Yep, if I don't have my reading glasses... dballance Jun 2015 #26
I know what you mean about too much technology. Mr.Bill Jun 2015 #27
Did he have a operators manual in the car? Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #38
damn damn damn irisblue Jun 2015 #3
My gosh, this is terrible! DawgHouse Jun 2015 #4
So sad. I forgot about the manual locks on my car once too. notadmblnd Jun 2015 #5
Always carry an automatic center punch or emergency escape hammer! truthisfreedom Jun 2015 #6
If the procedure to open the door from the inside has more than one step... Xipe Totec Jun 2015 #8
Yes, I have one, I keep it in the space between my seat and the console, hollysmom Jun 2015 #29
James and his dog... Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #9
There was a latch on the floorboard. He just didn't know about it. gvstn Jun 2015 #12
Oh, tragic... Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #14
One should ALWAYS be able to get out with just a tug on a latch mainer Jun 2015 #10
There's an emergency release on the floor next to the seat. Xithras Jun 2015 #13
Thanks for the informative picture. gvstn Jun 2015 #39
I owned an '05 Corvette. Mr.Bill Jun 2015 #11
Damn. lonestarnot Jun 2015 #16
I've never owned a car that couldn't be opened manually from the inside. Didn't know such a thing Cal33 Jun 2015 #18
They don't snooper2 Jun 2015 #36
I wasn't talking about the less visible door opener on the car floor that I read about. Cal33 Jun 2015 #37
It doesn't. Mr.Bill Jun 2015 #20
I am confused. sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #21
I think they are talking about a loose battery cable, yes. Mr.Bill Jun 2015 #24
2012 Chevy PADemD Jun 2015 #28
After going through a number of summer time floods in Houston, there were a number of deaths from freshwest Jun 2015 #30
Horns are on the battery bus awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #33
I just read this earlier today. How unspeakably tragic! Rhiannon12866 Jun 2015 #34
How utterly sad! He must have been beside himself with fury and frustration. Joe Chi Minh Jun 2015 #35
Another question might be why were the windows all the way up if a dog was in the car?! EX500rider Jun 2015 #40
No Excuse Whatever_Next Jun 2015 #41
Who should be prosecuted? philosslayer Jun 2015 #43
how awful. you can get to the trunk thru the back seat of my corolla Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 #42

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
2. It was bad design.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 07:22 PM
Jun 2015

But the latch was probably clearly described in the owner's manual. I'm not sure GM is responsible for second owners when the feature to unlock the car was there although not intuitive.

Peace to his family.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
31. There is one latch, on the floor.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 10:38 PM
Jun 2015

Its not a complicated design. I don't see how GM is at fault. I realize that most latches are on the door, but for various reasons, GM did not go that route. The GM is a sports car, and a goal of sports cars to save weight, so the latch is on the body of the car, not on the door. This makes a manual latch on the door impossible.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
15. I find this horrible. But bad design?
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jun 2015

There is a manual override lever next to each seat. Between the seat and the door. Where should GM put it to make it more accessible if not there? This is clearly not like the ignition switch which was bad design and a cover up.

On edit:

Perhaps the lever should be colored blaze orange.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
17. Seems to me the latch to open the door should be on the door.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 09:03 PM
Jun 2015

It is just intuitive. If my car door wouldn't unlock then I would be looking all over the door for a way to fix it. I wouldn't necessarily be looking at the floorboard.

I've loaded up the trunk of my car a thousand times, changed hard to get to lightbulbs but I couldn't tell you were the emergency release was. I usually have to look at the manual as to find the release to get the headlight cover off. Engineers don't always make it easy for laymen even though it may make sense to them.

GM discontinued the all electronic door probably because of customer confusion/complaints. If it was a great design they would have implemented it fleet-wide. IMHO

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
19. I think you have good points.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 09:11 PM
Jun 2015

I happen to be a RTFM geek so I have an admitted bias toward familiarizing myself with everything I buy by reading the manual.

That's really not normal I know.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
23. The saddest day for me
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jun 2015

Was when Microsoft stopped printing paper manuals for their OS (probably win98 maybe win95). I used to read every word of all several hundred pages. I knew ever switch/parameter available for every command and experimented with all of them. I probably only know 10% of what is available in Win7. Online documentation is just not the same thing.

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
22. The reason the manual latch isn't in the door
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jun 2015

is because the latch mechanism isn't in the door. It's in the door jamb at the rear of the door.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
25. Thanks.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 09:28 PM
Jun 2015

I'm just saying that it isn't intuitive as the story presents. Engineeers do what they can it just doesn't always work well for the final customer.

Don't get me started on remote controls for electronic devices that have 40 tiny buttons and then the hold shift for the second tier of functions. Ugh! There is a point where less is more.

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
27. I know what you mean about too much technology.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 09:45 PM
Jun 2015

In the case of the Corvette, it was all about weight savings, which is important on a car many people will do competitive racing with on a track. Every pound counts. When the car is "burdened" with mandated safety equipment, such as airbags, etc, they will look for places to save weight anywhere they can. The electronic door opening system eliminated all the door latch mechanism inside the doors and saved, IIRC, 5-10 lbs. That doesn't sound like much, but it adds up. A real big part of the Corvette's performance is it's light weight. A Mustang, for instance, can weigh about 1,000 pounds more than a Corvette.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
38. Did he have a operators manual in the car?
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jun 2015

He could have looked up the manual door operation. Unless the glove compartment had an electronic lock also.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
5. So sad. I forgot about the manual locks on my car once too.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 07:24 PM
Jun 2015

The power lock on the drivers side door stopped working and I forgot I had manual locks. I climbed across the console and out the passenger side window before I realized it and I wasn't even half this mans age at the time so I don't think it's an age thing. No, it's more a side effect of technology in my opinion.

truthisfreedom

(23,157 posts)
6. Always carry an automatic center punch or emergency escape hammer!
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 07:25 PM
Jun 2015

You never know when these modern cars are going to have failures. My Tesla's electronic door opener has failed and needed repair 4 times (including right now). It keeps me out of the car, not in, but who knows what's next.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=emergency+escape+tool

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_16?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=automatic+center+punch&sprefix=automatic+center%2Caps%2C162

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
8. If the procedure to open the door from the inside has more than one step...
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jun 2015

an automatic center punch or emergency escape hammer should included in that model free of charge.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
29. Yes, I have one, I keep it in the space between my seat and the console,
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 10:16 PM
Jun 2015

it is a snug fit, if I flip, I think it will stay there, it has a seat belt cutter and an air bag puncture as well as the window breaker.

mainer

(12,031 posts)
10. One should ALWAYS be able to get out with just a tug on a latch
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 07:34 PM
Jun 2015

Is the Corvette impossible to open from the inside without special knowledge?

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
13. There's an emergency release on the floor next to the seat.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 08:00 PM
Jun 2015

The doors are electric, and the normal opener won't function if there's an electrical problem or dead battery. To deal with those emergency situations, there is an emergency pull handle on the floor that will open the door. It's not well marked and blends with the trim though, so it's not instantly apparent.

My brother in law owns a 2012 Vette. I probably rode in the car a dozen times before I noticed the handle. It's not exactly hidden, but it doesn't jump out at you either. The image below shows the setup. The button on the door is the electric release. The lever on the floor is the manual override. When the door is closed, the floor is fairly dark and it's WAY harder to see.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
39. Thanks for the informative picture.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jun 2015

Clears things up a bit.

GM must think it is an okay design if they are still using it.

We have to remember the guy was 72 and may have panicked.

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
11. I owned an '05 Corvette.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 07:45 PM
Jun 2015

There is a very simple manual latch next to each seat. It is clearly described in the owner's manual. He also could have unlatched the removable roof and exited that way.

I have heard stories about people who were not aware being trapped in the car until they figured it out. I have never heard of anyone dying over it, though.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
18. I've never owned a car that couldn't be opened manually from the inside. Didn't know such a thing
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 09:09 PM
Jun 2015

existed.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
37. I wasn't talking about the less visible door opener on the car floor that I read about.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:10 AM
Jun 2015

I always had cars that could be either opened only manually (years ago), or both electrically and manually
in more recent times. The door handles were built to work both ways. To die of heat is one of the more
painful ways of going.

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
20. It doesn't.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 09:12 PM
Jun 2015

The Corvette can be opened manually from inside the car. Several ways. See my post #11. This guy just didn't know how.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
21. I am confused.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 09:20 PM
Jun 2015

Why was he unable to start the car? Was the "cable" a loose battery cable? Why did the door lock when he closed it? Did he lock it? Why did he get in the car and close the door if he was just checking on his dog and was going back inside?

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
24. I think they are talking about a loose battery cable, yes.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 09:27 PM
Jun 2015

It's not so much that the door locks, it just requires electrical power to be opened by the button normally used to open it. The manual latch is a backup opener if there is no power.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
28. 2012 Chevy
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 10:14 PM
Jun 2015

Pulling the door handle twice unlatches the door. There's also a lock knob on the top of the door panel.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
30. After going through a number of summer time floods in Houston, there were a number of deaths from
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 10:28 PM
Jun 2015
people with electric everything. The water shorted out the door and window controls and they drowned, I made sure after that all my vehices had rolldown windows and didn't have power locks.

It's getting harder to find vehicles like that. I don't live in a flood prone area and don't care anymore. But the people that drowned in those situations were not as dumb as one might think.

There was one underpass in particular that I knew had a steep dip under a bridge. It was my usual route. One night I was in my fifth hour trying to find my way home as the freeway was flooded. I had to take all kinds of side streets, and drove on the side walks some of the way.

But I saw that one road I used every day had water and knew to see the water reflecting the street lamps in the dark like that, it had to be at least thirty feet deep. Those who didn't know the area well had drowned before there, so I veered off. It took me from 4 PM to 1 AM to get home. Then shower and get ready for the next day's work at 7 AM.

I feel real bad for this man and his dog, at least they were together at the end. FWIW, which is not very much. Very sad way to go out of this life.



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