Young woman killed by 'celebratory' gunfire at wedding in northern France
Source: Agence France-Presse
Young woman killed by 'celebratory' gunfire at wedding in northern France
The young woman was in the street when celebratory shots were fired from a procession of cars involved in another wedding
Agence France-Presse
Saturday 13 June 2015 21.38 EDT
A young woman died after being shot in the head while attending a wedding in northern France on Saturday, sources close to the investigation said.
According to the mayor of the town of Marly, Fabien Thieme, the young woman was in the street when celebratory shots were fired from a procession of cars involved in another wedding.
This young woman of 19 to 20 years of age took a buckshot bullet to the head, said Thieme. They were driving past but the bullet hit her.
Emergency services treated the woman at the scene before she was transported to hospital, but she died later.
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/14/young-woman-killed-by-celebratory-gunfire-at-wedding-in-northern-france
Archae
(46,328 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Archae
(46,328 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Got that link?
AFAIK, they've never advocated for celebratory gunfire, but if you have a link stating otherwise, I will retract my statement.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Terry Pratchett, Jingo
Skittles
(153,160 posts)including those who feel the need to be ARMED AT WEDDINGS
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)but the question is, when was the last time the NRA advocated for celebratory gunfire?
Can you provide a link?
Skittles
(153,160 posts)I doubt it would highly offend those cowards though
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Probably because no one has brought it up to them.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Do you honestly believe that the NRA would advocate for celebratory gunfire?
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)So why shouldn't it?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)They are not big on small details like 'actual evidence', as they all went to
The College of It Stands To Reason
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)They seem to think that putting any hindrance on firearms or ammunition of any sort is unconstitutional.
The NRA is no friend of America or Americans.
beevul
(12,194 posts)How'd you miss this:
"Yet there, a little more than a week earlier, the Smiths' 14-year-old-daughter, Shannon, had stepped into the backyard of their home. A single bullet, fired into the air from a point unknown, had dropped to earth. As it fell, it pierced her head."
...snip...
"The Smiths would go door to door to pass out fliers and have conversations with neighbors, gathering reports that indicated random gunfire was not necessarily uncommon. Gordon contacted then-Maricopa County Attorney Rick Romley, who helped research what they could do with a law regarding random gunfire. He also approached then- Arizona lawmakers Chris Cummiskey and Marc Spitzer. The group culled the support of then-Gov. Jane Hull and even of Charlton Heston, president of the National Rifle Association at the time."
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/01/30/tragedy-father-led-crusade-shannons-law/22570107/
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)No more and no less they'd deny health related research done by the CDC...
beevul
(12,194 posts)lastlib
(23,237 posts)They fight tooth-and-nail any law that limits their hoplosexual activity. Becuz freedum! 'Murica! :chest-thumps!
there's no link to the NRA approving of celebratory gunfire?
lastlib
(23,237 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)If you mean felons, mentally adjudicated by a court, then the NRA has come out supporting those laws.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)They certainly opposed the background check law Obama pushed after Sandy Hook.
And before you ask, heres a fucking link:
http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/03/06/nra-leadership-virtually-alone-in-opposition-to/192937
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)not those bought through an FFL dealer. They actually helped write the Brady Background check bill back in the 90's.
I oppose the NRA's stance on universal background checks, I believe the NCIS should be opened to private citizens for background checks involving private sales of firearms, or for a small fee, a sale should go through an FFL dealer.
And there's no reason to be rude.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)Opposing universal background checks IS opposing background checks.
Don't lecture me on rude. Rude is thousands of American DEATHS each year because gun humpers insist on unimpeded access to their dangerous toys.
Rude is open carry gun nuts scaring the crap out of the public from political rallies to department stores.
Rude is blocking the most basic gun laws, like magazine limits, because it would harsh a gun nut's Rambo fantasy of fightin' off the gubmint...and (gasp) cause a slight drop in a gun manufacturer's bottom line.
Rude is torpedoeing the careers of great progressive candidates because they do not prostrate themselves at the alter of the NRA.
Fuck the NRA.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Again, it's fact that the NRA helped write the Brady Bill requiring background checks through an FFL dealer and they still support it, what they don't support is bgc's of private sales, wrongly IMO.
And again, there's no reason to be rude or insulting.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)The NRA of the 1970s - 1990s is not the extreme right wing off the rails NRA of today. The NRA of today would not have supported any part of the Brady Bill. The NRA has announced it has changed its positions of the past on background checks and now opposes any expansion of background checks. That is the fact. Heres the fucking link:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/apr/18/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-nra-used-support-expanded-backgr/
And actually, I'm a pretty fun person to be around. I throw raging parties and no one gets shot. Getting shot is a real bummer for any celebration, as the OP notes.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)And you lot wonder why you get stymied at every turn...
Physician, heal thyself
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)But, you did give me a good laugh with your rant.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)but if it makes you sleep better at nite, then I wish you well.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Cranky is how people feel when a young woman is shot in the head and killed because a bunch of probably "drunk" guys decided it was a good time to play with their guns. How about using fire crackers instead?
I was almost shot once because a bunch of drunk people were shooting at dusk across the road I was hiking on.
I don't think guns should be used at "celebrations" where there is most likely booze around.
Yeah, sorry...guns combined with booze or stupid people make me cranky. So does the NRA. And of course they helped write the Brady bill. They did it for the same reason banks, coal and oil and health businesses help write regulations that control/limit them. To make sure they are not too "restrictive".
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)The shooter(s) should undoubtedly be imprisoned for years.
However, the fact remains that the NRA had fuck-all to do with it. That detail didn't
stop several posters from using this young woman's tragic death as an excuse
to go off on rants directed against "those people.
BTW, if some are wondering about my thoughts about the NRA-
I'm the person who coined the term "National Republican Armory"...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172116375
shawn703
(2,702 posts)"Yet there, a little more than a week earlier, the Smiths' 14-year-old-daughter, Shannon, had stepped into the backyard of their home. A single bullet, fired into the air from a point unknown, had dropped to earth. As it fell, it pierced her head."
...snip...
"The Smiths would go door to door to pass out fliers and have conversations with neighbors, gathering reports that indicated random gunfire was not necessarily uncommon. Gordon contacted then-Maricopa County Attorney Rick Romley, who helped research what they could do with a law regarding random gunfire. He also approached then- Arizona lawmakers Chris Cummiskey and Marc Spitzer. The group culled the support of then-Gov. Jane Hull and even of Charlton Heston, president of the National Rifle Association at the time."
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/01/30/tragedy-father-led-crusade-shannons-law/22570107/
I'm not a supporter of the NRA, but they were supportive of this bill making random gunfire a felony.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)another ios always to be sure of your target and what is beyond.
Both would preclude aimless gunfire.
http://www.nrablog.com/post/2013/06/14/NRAs-basic-Gun-Safety-Rules-fundamentals-for-National-Safety-Month.aspx
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Period.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)You cannot explain that!
JI7
(89,250 posts)SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)A client of mine was injured when my neighbors were out shooting into the air to celebrate a football win. The shot from their guns hit the roof of my barn, spooking a horse. The lead rope on the horse hit the owner in the face, narrowly missing her eye and leaving a severe bruise across her mouth.
I tried calling the neighbors to warn them that their shooting was a danger to the neighborhood, but they were all outside randomly firing off their guns. So I called the cops. The neighbors claimed they were "skeet shooting" as if that were an excuse. The officer gave them a written warning - since there was an injury, to a cops' wife (my client) they wanted a written record of the incident.
When the cops came over to talk to us they told us they could smell alcohol on the neighbors' breath.
If I had known then what I know now, I would have insisted on charges against the neighbors. It is illegal in Florida to use firearms while under the influence. It is illegal to fire a weapon around an occupied structure. Those me should have been charged with both offenses. As it was, they were scared they would be arrested and sobered up pretty fast, according to the cops. They've never fired a gun on their property since. They also haven't talked to me in the last twenty years.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)Usually they don't know who fired the gun, like the time I came to my car after a New Year's Eve party in L.A. to find a bullet had dented the roof of my car right by the drivers door. That could have been my head.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)They are a respected family and while they are not themselves influential they have done work for many of the influential people in this area. Later one of the sons became a pilot for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and often flew their drug enforcement helicopter to look for drugs so they may have already had contacts in the law enforcement community. Oh, and that son was killed when doing a drug investigation - he flew the copter too low, caught a wire and the copter crashed killing all on board.
Glad that bullet didn't hit you!
snooper2
(30,151 posts)tblue37
(65,360 posts)Camelback
(27 posts)Against celebratory gunfire at weddings in France.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)I AM SO FOOLED BY YOU!
valerief
(53,235 posts)an Ignore!
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)C Moon
(12,213 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 14, 2015, 03:22 AM - Edit history (1)
The area where I first moved to was the Wilshire District. I think that area was ripe with guns, because on New Years eve, my first year there, the gun fire was insane: I could hear many rapid-fire gun shots. It was scary knowing those bullets were going to be coming downanywhere.
I read in the paper the next day, that many police drive and park under overpasses for several minutes after midnight for protection.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)North Lawndale.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Bullets fired close to a vertical (straight up) begin tumbling at the peak of their trajectory and reach terminal velocity coming down which is not lethal, according to Mythbusters. Bullets fired at an upward angle might be lethal since the bullet could be rifling (spinning along the longer access), but this looks like somebody shot their gun "mostly" sideways.
Episode 50
I question whether it was intentional.
They were driving past but the bullet hit her.
ileus
(15,396 posts)lastlib
(23,237 posts)From the mind of Wayne LaPeeError to the pages of DU.........
. .
valerief
(53,235 posts)Rossi
(56 posts)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11673474/Woman-killed-by-celebratory-gunfire-at-French-wedding.html
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)tradition of "celebratory" firing
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)A Citroen Picasso arrives at that moment. On board are two men. They get out of the car. One of the two fires some shots. "They got out of the car to take a little walk with a bit of Algerian ambiance, of the traditional kind. And then, she collapsed....", explained the aunt of the bride. In the circumstances, which remain to be clarified, the young woman was hit with buckshot in the head. "She got a bullet in the face," said Commissioner Lejeune.
--France 3 (My translation)
http://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/nord-pas-de-calais/2015/06/13/marly-ce-que-l-sait-sur-la-mort-d-une-jeune-femme-en-marge-d-un-mariage-746573.html
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)Rossi
(56 posts)...was a part of French gun culture. It isn't part of American gun culture, as far as I know.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)And speaking of wedding guests shot in the head, why just last night at the Waldorf Astoria...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/14/us/waldorf-astoria-shooting/
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)in no way does it show them shooting them in the air in celebratory gunfire.
Another fail by you.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)And it is not limited to the South, as the link I provided demonstrates. As the link shows, people getting shot in the head by accident does not happen just at "Algerian" weddings.
But where I live, celebratory gun fire is much more common at the 4th of July and New Year's, as I note up the thread.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,340 posts)My French is poor to non-existent.
If she was a wedding guest, that makes this shooting possibly less-than-random.
Rossi
(56 posts)The victim was in one wedding, and the alleged shooter, "Fahicel L." (no last name yet) was in the other. According to the prosecutor, Fahicel fired a dozen shots "in the air" with a Browning semi-automatic shotgun to celebrate the wedding he was in. Fahicel has already done time for violent crimes. He told the cops that the gun went off inexplicably, because he never pulled the trigger. He'll be arraigned Monday.
http://www.metronews.fr/lille/femme-tuee-lors-d-un-mariage-le-suspect-aurait-pu-tirer-volontairement/mofo!DlNVrjSixNf6o/
beevul
(12,194 posts)This proves without a doubt, that we need assault weapons bans, magazine capacity limits, and much stricter gun control...
In America.