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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:09 AM Jun 2015

Young woman killed by 'celebratory' gunfire at wedding in northern France

Source: Agence France-Presse

Young woman killed by 'celebratory' gunfire at wedding in northern France

The young woman was in the street when celebratory shots were fired from a procession of cars involved in another wedding

Agence France-Presse
Saturday 13 June 2015 21.38 EDT

A young woman died after being shot in the head while attending a wedding in northern France on Saturday, sources close to the investigation said.

According to the mayor of the town of Marly, Fabien Thieme, the young woman was in the street when celebratory shots were fired from a procession of cars involved in another wedding.

“This young woman of 19 to 20 years of age took a buckshot bullet to the head,” said Thieme. “They were driving past but the bullet hit her.”

Emergency services treated the woman at the scene before she was transported to hospital, but she died later.












Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/14/young-woman-killed-by-celebratory-gunfire-at-wedding-in-northern-france

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Young woman killed by 'celebratory' gunfire at wedding in northern France (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2015 OP
I didn't know the NRA had a branch office in France. Archae Jun 2015 #1
Since when has the NRA advocated for celebratory gunfire? GGJohn Jun 2015 #2
Why not? They advocate for gunfire for anything else... Archae Jun 2015 #3
How about a link to your claim? eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #4
When was the last time that the NRA advocated against celebratory gunfire? SoapBox Jun 2015 #6
When was the last time they advocated for it, like you claim? GGJohn Jun 2015 #7
You'll get no answer, you're dealing with a couple of Friends Of Fred (Colon): friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #11
the NRA is on the side of gun humping cowards Skittles Jun 2015 #13
What you say is true, GGJohn Jun 2015 #14
I didn't say it Skittles Jun 2015 #19
No, the NRA has not ADVOCATED it Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #26
Bullshit!!! GGJohn Jun 2015 #30
The NRA seems to have no problem with any one at any time shooting at anything. Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #34
So I'm guessing that you have a link to your claim? eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #35
Of course not, we're dealing with Friends Of Fred (Colon) friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #49
No, I've just been watching the gun nuts at the NRA for some years Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #64
"Some years" huh? beevul Jun 2015 #72
No more and no less they'd deny health related research done by the CDC... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #67
Um...see post 59. beevul Jun 2015 #71
"Silence gives consent" lastlib Jun 2015 #24
So, IOW, GGJohn Jun 2015 #25
Never said that. Where's your link to their opposition to idiots having guns? lastlib Jun 2015 #31
Define idiots? GGJohn Jun 2015 #33
They have? The NRA opposes background check laws. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #40
No, they oppose universal background checks on privately owned firearms, GGJohn Jun 2015 #41
Rude is lying and suggesting the NRA supports background checks. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #43
You must be a real fun person to be associated with. GGJohn Jun 2015 #44
You're the one lying and throwing around personal attacks. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #47
Wow, failure sure makes you lot cranky... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #50
I see stupid personal attacks is all you have. nt SunSeeker Jun 2015 #51
Says the person calling others "nuts" and "gun humpers" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #53
I wasn't "stymied." I quite easily proved GGJohn's claims to be lies. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #56
Uh, no, you didn't. GGJohn Jun 2015 #61
Uh, yes I did. And you can only respond with insults and emoticons. nt SunSeeker Jun 2015 #66
Once again, no you didn't prove I was lying about anything, GGJohn Jun 2015 #69
Cranky? You want cranky? passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #52
*Nobody* is supporting these morons, and the NRA doesn't exist where this happened friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #54
Shannon's Law in Arizona shawn703 Jun 2015 #59
One of their core safety rules is always point your gun in a safe direction whatthehey Jun 2015 #65
Bullets go up, Bullets come down. SoapBox Jun 2015 #5
The tide comes in, the tide goes out FrodosPet Jun 2015 #9
if this happened in the US it would just be a typical day in the US JI7 Jun 2015 #8
It's certainly typical of 4th of July and New Year's in the U.S. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #18
And for sports victories csziggy Jun 2015 #36
Wow. The cops let them off with just a warning after someone was injured?! SunSeeker Jun 2015 #38
Well, the neighbors have lived there for many decades csziggy Jun 2015 #39
wrong country snooper2 Jun 2015 #60
That is darned near the stupidest behavior I have ever seen. Fools. nt tblue37 Jun 2015 #73
Imagine that, what's needed is a law here in the United States Camelback Jun 2015 #10
OH MY GOSH YOU ARE SO WITTY!!! Skittles Jun 2015 #12
And you've won yourself a weekend stay at the Motel 6 in Omaha AND valerief Jun 2015 #29
This is why celebratory gunfire is illegal in most places in the USA. ManiacJoe Jun 2015 #15
I moved to Los Angeles when I was in my early 20's, from a suburban upbringing. C Moon Jun 2015 #16
It does not get the enforcement that it should. ManiacJoe Jun 2015 #17
+1 C Moon Jun 2015 #20
A guy I knew spent every new years sleeping in the bathtub AngryAmish Jun 2015 #28
Probably not a situation of shooting up Android3.14 Jun 2015 #21
reads like the "shooter" was point out into the street. odd... ileus Jun 2015 #22
If only the poor young lady had had a gun.......! lastlib Jun 2015 #23
So it doesn't just happen in Ammomerica. nt valerief Jun 2015 #27
Who does "celebratory gunfire" at weddings? Rossi Jun 2015 #32
They will purposely not name the culture which has this stupid cosmicone Jun 2015 #37
Yeah, that struck me too. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #42
Algerian? Rossi Jun 2015 #45
Il est la religion , pas l'appartenance ethnique n/t cosmicone Jun 2015 #46
Oui, c'est "gun culture." nt SunSeeker Jun 2015 #48
Oh, OK. I didn't know that firing guns to celebrate weddings... Rossi Jun 2015 #55
Google "gun wedding." SunSeeker Jun 2015 #57
All that shows is a bunch of people holding firearms, GGJohn Jun 2015 #62
The picture is an example of American gun culture at weddings. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #68
Was the deceased woman part of the wedding, or a guest at the reception? JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #58
There were two weddings. Rossi Jun 2015 #63
Finally...the evidence we have been looking for. beevul Jun 2015 #70

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
7. When was the last time they advocated for it, like you claim?
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:41 AM
Jun 2015

Got that link?

AFAIK, they've never advocated for celebratory gunfire, but if you have a link stating otherwise, I will retract my statement.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
11. You'll get no answer, you're dealing with a couple of Friends Of Fred (Colon):
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:22 AM
Jun 2015
Sergeant Colon had had a broad education. He'd been to the School of My Dad Always Said, the College of It Stands To Reason, and was now a post-graduate student of the University of What Some Bloke In The Pub Told Me.


Terry Pratchett, Jingo

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
13. the NRA is on the side of gun humping cowards
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:24 AM
Jun 2015

including those who feel the need to be ARMED AT WEDDINGS

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
14. What you say is true,
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:27 AM
Jun 2015

but the question is, when was the last time the NRA advocated for celebratory gunfire?
Can you provide a link?

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
49. Of course not, we're dealing with Friends Of Fred (Colon)
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:40 PM
Jun 2015

They are not big on small details like 'actual evidence', as they all went to
The College of It Stands To Reason

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
64. No, I've just been watching the gun nuts at the NRA for some years
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 12:32 PM
Jun 2015

They seem to think that putting any hindrance on firearms or ammunition of any sort is unconstitutional.

The NRA is no friend of America or Americans.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
72. "Some years" huh?
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jun 2015

How'd you miss this:





"Yet there, a little more than a week earlier, the Smiths' 14-year-old-daughter, Shannon, had stepped into the backyard of their home. A single bullet, fired into the air from a point ­unknown, had dropped to earth. As it fell, it pierced her head."

...snip...

"The Smiths would go door to door to pass out fliers and have conversations with neighbors, gathering reports that indicated random gunfire was not necessarily uncommon. Gordon contacted then-Maricopa County Attorney Rick Romley, who helped research what they could do with a law regarding random gunfire. He also approached then- ­Arizona lawmakers Chris Cummiskey and Marc Spitzer. The group culled the support of then-Gov. Jane Hull and even of Charlton Heston, president of the ­National Rifle Association at the time."



http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/01/30/tragedy-father-led-crusade-shannons-law/22570107/

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
67. No more and no less they'd deny health related research done by the CDC...
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 02:12 PM
Jun 2015

No more and no less they'd deny health related research done by the CDC...

lastlib

(23,237 posts)
24. "Silence gives consent"
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:27 AM
Jun 2015

They fight tooth-and-nail any law that limits their hoplosexual activity. Becuz freedum! 'Murica! :chest-thumps!

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
33. Define idiots?
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jun 2015

If you mean felons, mentally adjudicated by a court, then the NRA has come out supporting those laws.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
40. They have? The NRA opposes background check laws.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:14 PM
Jun 2015

They certainly opposed the background check law Obama pushed after Sandy Hook.

And before you ask, here’s a fucking link:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/03/06/nra-leadership-virtually-alone-in-opposition-to/192937

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
41. No, they oppose universal background checks on privately owned firearms,
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:23 PM
Jun 2015

not those bought through an FFL dealer. They actually helped write the Brady Background check bill back in the 90's.
I oppose the NRA's stance on universal background checks, I believe the NCIS should be opened to private citizens for background checks involving private sales of firearms, or for a small fee, a sale should go through an FFL dealer.

And there's no reason to be rude.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
43. Rude is lying and suggesting the NRA supports background checks.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 02:05 PM
Jun 2015

Opposing universal background checks IS opposing background checks.

Don't lecture me on rude. Rude is thousands of American DEATHS each year because gun humpers insist on unimpeded access to their dangerous toys.

Rude is open carry gun nuts scaring the crap out of the public from political rallies to department stores.

Rude is blocking the most basic gun laws, like magazine limits, because it would harsh a gun nut's Rambo fantasy of fightin' off the gubmint...and (gasp) cause a slight drop in a gun manufacturer's bottom line.

Rude is torpedoeing the careers of great progressive candidates because they do not prostrate themselves at the alter of the NRA.

Fuck the NRA.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
44. You must be a real fun person to be associated with.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jun 2015

Again, it's fact that the NRA helped write the Brady Bill requiring background checks through an FFL dealer and they still support it, what they don't support is bgc's of private sales, wrongly IMO.

And again, there's no reason to be rude or insulting.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
47. You're the one lying and throwing around personal attacks.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 03:40 PM
Jun 2015

The NRA of the 1970s - 1990s is not the extreme right wing off the rails NRA of today. The NRA of today would not have supported any part of the Brady Bill. The NRA has announced it has changed its positions of the past on background checks and now opposes any expansion of background checks. That is the fact. Here’s the fucking link:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/apr/18/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-nra-used-support-expanded-backgr/

And actually, I'm a pretty fun person to be around. I throw raging parties and no one gets shot. Getting shot is a real bummer for any celebration, as the OP notes.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
53. Says the person calling others "nuts" and "gun humpers"
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 06:07 PM
Jun 2015

And you lot wonder why you get stymied at every turn...


Physician, heal thyself

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
69. Once again, no you didn't prove I was lying about anything,
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 07:45 PM
Jun 2015

but if it makes you sleep better at nite, then I wish you well.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
52. Cranky? You want cranky?
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 06:06 PM
Jun 2015

Cranky is how people feel when a young woman is shot in the head and killed because a bunch of probably "drunk" guys decided it was a good time to play with their guns. How about using fire crackers instead?

I was almost shot once because a bunch of drunk people were shooting at dusk across the road I was hiking on.

I don't think guns should be used at "celebrations" where there is most likely booze around.

Yeah, sorry...guns combined with booze or stupid people make me cranky. So does the NRA. And of course they helped write the Brady bill. They did it for the same reason banks, coal and oil and health businesses help write regulations that control/limit them. To make sure they are not too "restrictive".

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
54. *Nobody* is supporting these morons, and the NRA doesn't exist where this happened
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 06:17 PM
Jun 2015

The shooter(s) should undoubtedly be imprisoned for years.

However, the fact remains that the NRA had fuck-all to do with it. That detail didn't
stop several posters from using this young woman's tragic death as an excuse
to go off on rants directed against "those people.

BTW, if some are wondering about my thoughts about the NRA-
I'm the person who coined the term "National Republican Armory"...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172116375

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
59. Shannon's Law in Arizona
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 09:32 AM
Jun 2015

"Yet there, a little more than a week earlier, the Smiths' 14-year-old-daughter, Shannon, had stepped into the backyard of their home. A single bullet, fired into the air from a point ­unknown, had dropped to earth. As it fell, it pierced her head."

...snip...

"The Smiths would go door to door to pass out fliers and have conversations with neighbors, gathering reports that indicated random gunfire was not necessarily uncommon. Gordon contacted then-Maricopa County Attorney Rick Romley, who helped research what they could do with a law regarding random gunfire. He also approached then- ­Arizona lawmakers Chris Cummiskey and Marc Spitzer. The group culled the support of then-Gov. Jane Hull and even of Charlton Heston, president of the ­National Rifle Association at the time."


http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/01/30/tragedy-father-led-crusade-shannons-law/22570107/


I'm not a supporter of the NRA, but they were supportive of this bill making random gunfire a felony.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
65. One of their core safety rules is always point your gun in a safe direction
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jun 2015

another ios always to be sure of your target and what is beyond.

Both would preclude aimless gunfire.

http://www.nrablog.com/post/2013/06/14/NRAs-basic-Gun-Safety-Rules-fundamentals-for-National-Safety-Month.aspx

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
36. And for sports victories
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 11:42 AM
Jun 2015

A client of mine was injured when my neighbors were out shooting into the air to celebrate a football win. The shot from their guns hit the roof of my barn, spooking a horse. The lead rope on the horse hit the owner in the face, narrowly missing her eye and leaving a severe bruise across her mouth.

I tried calling the neighbors to warn them that their shooting was a danger to the neighborhood, but they were all outside randomly firing off their guns. So I called the cops. The neighbors claimed they were "skeet shooting" as if that were an excuse. The officer gave them a written warning - since there was an injury, to a cops' wife (my client) they wanted a written record of the incident.

When the cops came over to talk to us they told us they could smell alcohol on the neighbors' breath.

If I had known then what I know now, I would have insisted on charges against the neighbors. It is illegal in Florida to use firearms while under the influence. It is illegal to fire a weapon around an occupied structure. Those me should have been charged with both offenses. As it was, they were scared they would be arrested and sobered up pretty fast, according to the cops. They've never fired a gun on their property since. They also haven't talked to me in the last twenty years.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
38. Wow. The cops let them off with just a warning after someone was injured?!
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:57 PM
Jun 2015

Usually they don't know who fired the gun, like the time I came to my car after a New Year's Eve party in L.A. to find a bullet had dented the roof of my car right by the drivers door. That could have been my head.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
39. Well, the neighbors have lived there for many decades
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jun 2015

They are a respected family and while they are not themselves influential they have done work for many of the influential people in this area. Later one of the sons became a pilot for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and often flew their drug enforcement helicopter to look for drugs so they may have already had contacts in the law enforcement community. Oh, and that son was killed when doing a drug investigation - he flew the copter too low, caught a wire and the copter crashed killing all on board.

Glad that bullet didn't hit you!

 

Camelback

(27 posts)
10. Imagine that, what's needed is a law here in the United States
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:21 AM
Jun 2015

Against celebratory gunfire at weddings in France.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
16. I moved to Los Angeles when I was in my early 20's, from a suburban upbringing.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:50 AM
Jun 2015

Last edited Sun Jun 14, 2015, 03:22 AM - Edit history (1)

The area where I first moved to was the Wilshire District. I think that area was ripe with guns, because on New Years eve, my first year there, the gun fire was insane: I could hear many rapid-fire gun shots. It was scary knowing those bullets were going to be coming down—anywhere.

I read in the paper the next day, that many police drive and park under overpasses for several minutes after midnight for protection.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
21. Probably not a situation of shooting up
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:34 AM
Jun 2015

Bullets fired close to a vertical (straight up) begin tumbling at the peak of their trajectory and reach terminal velocity coming down which is not lethal, according to Mythbusters. Bullets fired at an upward angle might be lethal since the bullet could be rifling (spinning along the longer access), but this looks like somebody shot their gun "mostly" sideways.
Episode 50

I question whether it was intentional.
“They were driving past but the bullet hit her.”

lastlib

(23,237 posts)
23. If only the poor young lady had had a gun.......!
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jun 2015

From the mind of Wayne LaPeeError to the pages of DU.........

. .

 

Rossi

(56 posts)
32. Who does "celebratory gunfire" at weddings?
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:43 AM
Jun 2015
A young woman has died after being shot in the head while attending a wedding in northern France on Saturday.... In 2012 celebratory gunfire at a wedding in Saudi Arabia brought down an electric cable, killing more than 20 women and children.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11673474/Woman-killed-by-celebratory-gunfire-at-French-wedding.html
 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
37. They will purposely not name the culture which has this stupid
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 11:45 AM
Jun 2015

tradition of "celebratory" firing

 

Rossi

(56 posts)
45. Algerian?
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 02:55 PM
Jun 2015
Une Citröen Picasso arrive à ce moment-là. A bord, deux hommes. Ils descendent de la voiture. L'un deux tire des coups de feu. "Ils sont descendus de la voiture pour faire une petite marche avec un peu d'ambiance à l'algérienne, à la traditionnelle... Et puis, elle s'est effondrée...", explique la tante de la mariée. Dans des circonstances qui restent à éclaircir, la jeune femme reçoit une balle de chevrotine dans la tête. "Elle a pris un décharge de plombs en pleine face", affirme le commissaire Lejeune

A Citroen Picasso arrives at that moment. On board are two men. They get out of the car. One of the two fires some shots. "They got out of the car to take a little walk with a bit of Algerian ambiance, of the traditional kind. And then, she collapsed....", explained the aunt of the bride. In the circumstances, which remain to be clarified, the young woman was hit with buckshot in the head. "She got a bullet in the face," said Commissioner Lejeune.

--France 3 (My translation)

http://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/nord-pas-de-calais/2015/06/13/marly-ce-que-l-sait-sur-la-mort-d-une-jeune-femme-en-marge-d-un-mariage-746573.html
 

Rossi

(56 posts)
55. Oh, OK. I didn't know that firing guns to celebrate weddings...
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:17 PM
Jun 2015

...was a part of French gun culture. It isn't part of American gun culture, as far as I know.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
62. All that shows is a bunch of people holding firearms,
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 09:57 AM
Jun 2015

in no way does it show them shooting them in the air in celebratory gunfire.
Another fail by you.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
68. The picture is an example of American gun culture at weddings.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 02:18 PM
Jun 2015

And it is not limited to the South, as the link I provided demonstrates. As the link shows, people getting shot in the head by accident does not happen just at "Algerian" weddings.

But where I live, celebratory gun fire is much more common at the 4th of July and New Year's, as I note up the thread.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
58. Was the deceased woman part of the wedding, or a guest at the reception?
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 06:00 AM
Jun 2015

My French is poor to non-existent.

If she was a wedding guest, that makes this shooting possibly less-than-random.

 

Rossi

(56 posts)
63. There were two weddings.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jun 2015

The victim was in one wedding, and the alleged shooter, "Fahicel L." (no last name yet) was in the other. According to the prosecutor, Fahicel fired a dozen shots "in the air" with a Browning semi-automatic shotgun to celebrate the wedding he was in. Fahicel has already done time for violent crimes. He told the cops that the gun went off inexplicably, because he never pulled the trigger. He'll be arraigned Monday.

http://www.metronews.fr/lille/femme-tuee-lors-d-un-mariage-le-suspect-aurait-pu-tirer-volontairement/mofo!DlNVrjSixNf6o/

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
70. Finally...the evidence we have been looking for.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jun 2015

This proves without a doubt, that we need assault weapons bans, magazine capacity limits, and much stricter gun control...


In America.

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