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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 07:37 PM Jun 2015

Rich Californians balk at limits: ‘We’re not all equal when it comes to water’

Source: Washington Post

RANCHO SANTA FE, CALIF. — Drought or no drought, Steve Yuhas resents the idea that it is somehow shameful to be a water hog. If you can pay for it, he argues, you should get your water.

People “should not be forced to live on property with brown lawns, golf on brown courses or apologize for wanting their gardens to be beautiful,” Yuhas fumed recently on social media. “We pay significant property taxes based on where we live,” he added in an interview. “And, no, we’re not all equal when it comes to water.”

Yuhas lives in the ultra-wealthy enclave of Rancho Santa Fe, a bucolic Southern California hamlet of ranches, gated communities and country clubs that guzzles five times more water per capita than the statewide average. In April, after Gov. Jerry Brown (D) called for a 25 percent reduction in water use, consumption in Rancho Santa Fe went up by 9 percent.

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“I call it the war on suburbia,” said Brett Barbre, who lives in the Orange County community of Yorba Linda, another exceptionally wealthy Zip code. Barbre sits on the 37-member board of directors of the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, a huge water wholesaler serving 17 million customers. He is fond of referring to his watering hose with Charlton Heston’s famous quote about guns: “They’ll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands.”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/rich-californians-youll-have-to-pry-the-hoses-from-our-cold-dead-hands/2015/06/13/fac6f998-0e39-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html



I am sure they will hire Frank Lutz to somehow create some talking points that Fox News can start spouting to justify how a rich homeowner who owns a 10 acre estate should be able to use at much water as 20 households, because his land could accommodate over 20 homes. Indeed, I am sure the right wing rich are incensed because they believe that the poor are poor by choice, so if you can't afford water rates or water fines, then it just your fault.
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Rich Californians balk at limits: ‘We’re not all equal when it comes to water’ (Original Post) TomCADem Jun 2015 OP
What a disgusting attitude to have during an emergency situation. He should be ashamed of himself.. George II Jun 2015 #1
The obscene selfishness... gregcrawford Jun 2015 #43
I agree that we aren't all equal when it comes to water. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #2
+1 daleanime Jun 2015 #26
I'd say, You/NO ONE can afford it. elleng Jun 2015 #3
Hey man, plant some cacti and cover your lawn with rocks, or sculptures if you like. Hoyt Jun 2015 #4
Psychopaths. nt LiberalElite Jun 2015 #5
Disgusting attitude. TDale313 Jun 2015 #6
8 homes on our private drive Plucketeer Jun 2015 #7
You're doing the right thing, Plucketeer! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #49
fake grass looks just as nice. DesertFlower Jun 2015 #8
I see that also. HGTV should be leading the change not following along behind. jwirr Jun 2015 #17
Fake grass looks nice but it's not good in hot areas. Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #18
i'm in phoenix on 2-1/2 acres but DesertFlower Jun 2015 #20
What I like about using native plants is that my yard doesn't look like a yard in NY Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #23
i have 2 texas sage bushes in the front. i like them because DesertFlower Jun 2015 #28
How deep is your well? mpcamb Jun 2015 #31
i think it's about 700-750 feet. DesertFlower Jun 2015 #32
They film a lot of shows in Sacramento, LeftyMom Jun 2015 #52
flip or flop is filmed in orange county. nt DesertFlower Jun 2015 #56
He'll regret that attitude when the masses come for his water with pitchforks n/t Tempest Jun 2015 #9
Nah, He Will With His Gun Standing His Ground TomCADem Jun 2015 #19
I think you mean Cliven Bundy. PADemD Jun 2015 #30
Understandable mistake. graegoyle Jun 2015 #36
Or Freudian Slip... Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #50
selfish, self centered people heaven05 Jun 2015 #10
Bill Maher let his lawn die. moondust Jun 2015 #11
another time he said he had fake grass. someone DesertFlower Jun 2015 #21
Unfortunately that is the attittude that I expect all over the world when it comes to a crisis. And jwirr Jun 2015 #12
The state can handle this in a simple way. NutmegYankee Jun 2015 #13
I like that idea. LuvNewcastle Jun 2015 #14
Greed and Entitlement croiduire Jun 2015 #15
First off, he pays property taxes at the same rate as an other California homeowner Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #16
Yo, richie riches! If you want a green lawn, buy astroturf meow2u3 Jun 2015 #22
From the OP's linked article--This woman has landscaped with plants that thrive in dry conditions: tblue37 Jun 2015 #24
Yep. THIS is also "desert landscaping" Nevernose Jun 2015 #33
The assholes worry about their golf courses turning brown... SoapBox Jun 2015 #25
Sounds fair HassleCat Jun 2015 #27
Yep, the rich tend to forget that they're out-numbered..well...99 percent to 1. BlueJazz Jun 2015 #29
It's like being at a televised auto auction. 7wo7rees Jun 2015 #34
Kind of makes you wish the film "The Purge" was a real thing. 6000eliot Jun 2015 #35
What is it with green grasses in desert climates anyway? romanic Jun 2015 #37
“They’ll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands.”...... paleotn Jun 2015 #38
My sentiments exactly. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #54
You can replace "water" with anything you can think of My Good Babushka Jun 2015 #39
Rock and sand yards truthisfreedom Jun 2015 #40
"People “should not be forced to live on property with brown lawns, golf on brown courses..." yellowcanine Jun 2015 #41
Brown yards dpatbrown Jun 2015 #42
Christ almighty, it's affluenza on display. Arkana Jun 2015 #44
Hmm davidthegnome Jun 2015 #45
I really hope this guy's estate doesn't burn down in the next round of wildfires.. frylock Jun 2015 #46
I have to channel Sam Kinnison here Ruby the Liberal Jun 2015 #47
Steve... Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #48
Talk about a disconnect. AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #51
interesting Locrian Jun 2015 #53
Man, these people are parodies of themselves... PersonNumber503602 Jun 2015 #55
What part of "exceptional drought" do these overpriced idiots NOT understand??? agentS Jun 2015 #57

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. What a disgusting attitude to have during an emergency situation. He should be ashamed of himself..
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 07:42 PM
Jun 2015

...but I'm sure he didn't get rich having any shame or conscience.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
43. The obscene selfishness...
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 09:45 AM
Jun 2015

...inherent in this weasel's attitude is a hallmark of the textbook sociopath. He would probably advocate "canned hunts" of the less affluent for the amusement of the ostentatiously wealthy, if he could get away with it.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
2. I agree that we aren't all equal when it comes to water.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 07:42 PM
Jun 2015

The rich are the first ones who should be expected to die of thirst, because they're far more expendable than the rest of us.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
8. fake grass looks just as nice.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:00 PM
Jun 2015

i don't care how much you pay in taxes or how much money you have.

i watch HGTV's "flip or flop" and they keep putting huge amounts of grass on those lots.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
18. Fake grass looks nice but it's not good in hot areas.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jun 2015

Inland CA areas are hot in the summer and fake grass just absorbs the heat -- not good for kids and dogs at play. It also can get nasty in very wet times of year if it doesn't drain properly.

Better solution is to resod the recreational area with low water grass varieties and change out the rest of the lawn to drought-tolerant plantings with an emphasis on native plants.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
20. i'm in phoenix on 2-1/2 acres but
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:38 PM
Jun 2015

only a small area in front and back are landscaped. we use native plants and rock. there are some areas of phoenix where they have grass. when we first moved here 26 years ago there was a lot of grass especially around businesses, but that has changed.

there's no water where i live. we all have our own wells -- some shared.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
23. What I like about using native plants is that my yard doesn't look like a yard in NY
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:49 PM
Jun 2015

or in FL or in AZ...

We have two California buckeye trees that we planted from buckeyes gathered on the street. They're beautiful from late winter until mid-summer when they go dormant.

We have Cleveland sage bushes that are so beautiful and unusual that people always comment on them and the Matilja poppies. Where the planting aren't native, they're Mediterranean or South African plants because they are used to our climate and water cycles.

About the only gardens that requires more than a sip of water are the vegetable beds and a small patch of lawn off the patio. That lawn is brown now and probably will never be revived.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
28. i have 2 texas sage bushes in the front. i like them because
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:46 PM
Jun 2015

even if there not blooming (purple) they never get brown. also have 2 hesperaloe. the back has several different agave plants and different cactus. one cactus is huge -- has 8 arms so it's really old. when we built the house we didn't lose any cactus and this big one is right in the center of the back yard. can see it as soon as you come into the house. the whole back of the house has triple sliding glass doors. we have awesome views from every room.

our driveway is not paved. it's dirt -- packed down with 1/4 minus rock on it -- very natural looking. it's a long winding driveway.

there are only a few houses up here. every house has to be on at least 1 acre. many are on 2 or more acres.

i'd post pics if i knew how.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
52. They film a lot of shows in Sacramento,
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 01:04 AM
Jun 2015

so I think it's a safe bet you'll see a lot of low water landscaping/plumbing etc emphasis in the next year as shows aired this year work their way through the pipeline.

But a lot of their shows are Canadian so those shows will presumably be doing weird cold weather stuff I don't understand (vapor barriers, digging up oil tanks in the yard) forever.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
19. Nah, He Will With His Gun Standing His Ground
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jun 2015

I think the screw you mindset goes along with the right wing's gun fetish. Why do you think Ted Bundy is a Fox News hero? He grazes his cattle on federal lands without paying the appropriate fee, then fools a bunch of militia types to defend his right to free load.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
10. selfish, self centered people
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:08 PM
Jun 2015

are a pain generally, and when they are rich, specifically, very selfish and without principle or a goddamn conscience.

moondust

(19,990 posts)
11. Bill Maher let his lawn die.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:09 PM
Jun 2015

Says he doesn't miss it at all. (Friday night on Real Time.)

No doubt some rich assholes believe their money will save them from any kind of problem that comes along.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
21. another time he said he had fake grass. someone
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:40 PM
Jun 2015

on that show a few months ago said some homeowner's associations don't allow fake grass.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
12. Unfortunately that is the attittude that I expect all over the world when it comes to a crisis. And
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:12 PM
Jun 2015

they are right - we are not all that greedy. Unfortunately I assume it is going to have to get a lot worse before they even begin to understand that we need to work together or we are all doomed.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
13. The state can handle this in a simple way.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:15 PM
Jun 2015

Reduce your water usage or the state comes out and sprays your entire yard with roundup.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
16. First off, he pays property taxes at the same rate as an other California homeowner
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jun 2015

That is, between 1.25 and 1.5% of assessed value based on most recent sale price plus 2% inflation factor each year. Cry me a river.

Second, yeah you should have brown lawns just like everyone else in the state. Buck up.

As for the "war on suburbia," it's only a war on water hogging suburbia. In my suburban San Francisco area we're under only a 16% reduction demand because we already are pretty good at conserving water (small lawns, lots of drought tolerant landscaping and dry-scaping)

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
22. Yo, richie riches! If you want a green lawn, buy astroturf
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:45 PM
Jun 2015

You can afford it. Once the drought is relieved, you can roll it up and store it for future droughts.

tblue37

(65,394 posts)
24. From the OP's linked article--This woman has landscaped with plants that thrive in dry conditions:
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jun 2015
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(SNIP)

Holly Manion, a real estate agent who has lived on the Ranch, as it’s often called, for most of her 62 years, supports the restrictions. Although Manion cherishes the landscape of manicured lawns and burbling fountains that has long defined the Ranch, she thinks the drought requires a new way of life that emphasizes water conservation.

“Just take a drive around the area. You’ll see lakes low, rivers dry and hillsides parched,” Manion said, adding that she is appalled by people who tolerate leaking sprinklers and the resulting cascades of wasted water.

(SNIP)

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
33. Yep. THIS is also "desert landscaping"
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 12:13 AM
Jun 2015


A yard like this, in some place like Las Vegas or Phoenix, will use from one-third to one-tenth of the water of an all-grass lawn.
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
27. Sounds fair
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:36 PM
Jun 2015

If you have money, you can impose a sort of economic anarchy, using your wealth to deny me water, food, clothing, medical care, etc. If I have a gun or a machete, I can get back some of the stuff from you. Actually, all I can do is kill you to prevent you from monopolizing what I need to live. I mean, I don't WANT to chop you into little pieces, just as I'm sure you don't want to use your money to starve me to death, but it appears life has assigned us certain parts to play, so you go ahead and run those sprinklers.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
34. It's like being at a televised auto auction.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 12:14 AM
Jun 2015

Two millionaires, who are accustomed to getting their way, pay market rates on an available commodity. They can afford that, until they can't.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
37. What is it with green grasses in desert climates anyway?
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 04:23 AM
Jun 2015

I mean, what is the appeal of having a grassy lawn in a place not meant for it. Is it some kind of pride thing out west or something?

paleotn

(17,930 posts)
38. “They’ll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands.”......
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 06:27 AM
Jun 2015

...OK. If that's the way you want it, we'd be more than happy to oblige.

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
39. You can replace "water" with anything you can think of
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 07:55 AM
Jun 2015

and that is their sentiment.

That is why the "not all rich people" and "a million dollars is really just middle class" apologists are regressive, simpering lackeys.
Rich people may put on an egalitarian face in public, but know, they really don't think you are their equals in any way.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
41. "People “should not be forced to live on property with brown lawns, golf on brown courses..."
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 09:13 AM
Jun 2015

Oh the humanity! This is sort of the flip side of "let them eat cake" I guess.

This dirtbag probably doesn't believe that global warming is real either.

 

dpatbrown

(368 posts)
42. Brown yards
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 09:42 AM
Jun 2015

I live in Sacramento, in a neighborhood where houses start at $500,000. I unequivocally expect ALL yards on my street to be brown. NO exceptions. ALL Californians are in the same boat. All must contribute. It will be very easy to see who thinks they are better than others simple because they have more money.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
44. Christ almighty, it's affluenza on display.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 11:08 AM
Jun 2015

MY LAWN MUST BE LUSH AND GREEN DURING A DROUGHT, A BLOO BLOO BLOO.

What a bunch of massive crybabies. Why should a parched golf course affect whether you play golf?

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
45. Hmm
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jun 2015

Odd logic. "If you can pay or it, you should get your water". If you can pay for it, should you be able to buy (in theory) anything you please? So we should let rich terrorists purchase nuclear missiles? I mean, if you can pay for it, you should be able to have your nukes, right?

These people disgust me. There are social obligations as well as moral ones when it comes to this. Preserve water, so you can have it in the future, so others may also have it. Or... use as much as you like - until there is no more. Use your share, and the share that should have gone to many other families with children. While their lawns die out, while they struggle in the heat with this reduced water limit...

I don't care how rich they are. Their lives are worth no more than the poorest person in their Nation. Their gardens, their lawns, are not more important simply because of their wealth.

Being wealthy is not a fucking virtue. It doesn't make one inherently more useful to society, a stronger or better person. It doesn't even necessarily mean that one pays their share of the burden in taxes. All it means is that someone has money.

Money is money - it has no value beyond what it can buy. It cannot buy freedom, or peace, or an end to a drought. Nor can it, unfortunately, buy integrity, honor, decency, or compassion for folks like Yuhas or Barbre here.

I really want to reach for that pitch fork when I read this kind of stuff. Their wealth, if anything, obligates them to the society that made it possible - to give something back, to be an example, to support, respect, and protect this Nation that gave them so much.

Instead, the working class pays huge corporate subsidies every year while these rich idiots think it's their "right" to use as much water as they want... even during a drought.

The stupid is almost as painful as the utter lack of humanity revealed in the OP. Good god some people are pathetic.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
46. I really hope this guy's estate doesn't burn down in the next round of wildfires..
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 11:30 AM
Jun 2015

no, really. I do. Why are you looking at me like that?

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
47. I have to channel Sam Kinnison here
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 07:01 PM
Jun 2015

****YOU PEOPLE LIVE IN THE FUCKING DESERT!!!****

That felt great.

Meanwhile, the rest of the state is just trying to flush a toilet or supply the nations-leading-breadbasket quantity of FOOD to the rest of us. Lets all be worried if Biff and his brahs Chad and Trevor can't find a fourth because the course is browning. The heart aches.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
53. interesting
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 07:52 AM
Jun 2015

Interesting that their water consumption went UP 9% after the requested 25% cuts.

Ah yes, nothing like being rich and wasting water to make you feel on top of the world. It just helps even more when you can see all those poor people suffer - bunch of losers. After all, if they weren't so lazy and had my daddy's money - uh, I mean worked really really hard and made money all by myself... yeah.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
55. Man, these people are parodies of themselves...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jun 2015

Which guess that means they are not parodies.

What bothers me more than asshole like this, are the people who support assholes like this even though this asshole would be the first one to let them be deprived of water so that he can golf on green grass.

agentS

(1,325 posts)
57. What part of "exceptional drought" do these overpriced idiots NOT understand???
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:47 AM
Jun 2015

I swear, rich folks sometimes; you gotta wonder if their nannies dropped them on their head too many times as a kid.

http://www.wired.com/2015/06/california-finally-brings-water-kings-account/

The latest windfall to California’s legal community came Friday, when the State Water Resources Control Board announced it was cutting certain historical water rights—held by some farmers, communities, and companies for more than a century. In a normal state with a normal drought, this wouldn’t be too much of an issue. But California water policies are so old (and so unsuited to the state’s desert ecosystem) that they might be outside the jurisdiction of the present-day water board. With barely a weekend for curtailment news to simmer, the summer air is already thick with lawsuit rumors.


They think this way because the laws allow them to act this way. Change the laws, and take their lawns away.

But hey, they got the money- they can buy polluted fracking water and use that on their precious golf lawns. They're so sick anyway they won't even notice the benzene oders.
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