Rich Californians balk at limits: ‘We’re not all equal when it comes to water’
Source: Washington Post
RANCHO SANTA FE, CALIF. Drought or no drought, Steve Yuhas resents the idea that it is somehow shameful to be a water hog. If you can pay for it, he argues, you should get your water.
People should not be forced to live on property with brown lawns, golf on brown courses or apologize for wanting their gardens to be beautiful, Yuhas fumed recently on social media. We pay significant property taxes based on where we live, he added in an interview. And, no, were not all equal when it comes to water.
Yuhas lives in the ultra-wealthy enclave of Rancho Santa Fe, a bucolic Southern California hamlet of ranches, gated communities and country clubs that guzzles five times more water per capita than the statewide average. In April, after Gov. Jerry Brown (D) called for a 25 percent reduction in water use, consumption in Rancho Santa Fe went up by 9 percent.
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I call it the war on suburbia, said Brett Barbre, who lives in the Orange County community of Yorba Linda, another exceptionally wealthy Zip code. Barbre sits on the 37-member board of directors of the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, a huge water wholesaler serving 17 million customers. He is fond of referring to his watering hose with Charlton Hestons famous quote about guns: Theyll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/rich-californians-youll-have-to-pry-the-hoses-from-our-cold-dead-hands/2015/06/13/fac6f998-0e39-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html
I am sure they will hire Frank Lutz to somehow create some talking points that Fox News can start spouting to justify how a rich homeowner who owns a 10 acre estate should be able to use at much water as 20 households, because his land could accommodate over 20 homes. Indeed, I am sure the right wing rich are incensed because they believe that the poor are poor by choice, so if you can't afford water rates or water fines, then it just your fault.
George II
(67,782 posts)...but I'm sure he didn't get rich having any shame or conscience.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)...inherent in this weasel's attitude is a hallmark of the textbook sociopath. He would probably advocate "canned hunts" of the less affluent for the amusement of the ostentatiously wealthy, if he could get away with it.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The rich are the first ones who should be expected to die of thirst, because they're far more expendable than the rest of us.
elleng
(130,964 posts)'If you can pay for it, he argues, you should get your water.'
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)We're the only ones to stop watering our lawns.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)i don't care how much you pay in taxes or how much money you have.
i watch HGTV's "flip or flop" and they keep putting huge amounts of grass on those lots.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Inland CA areas are hot in the summer and fake grass just absorbs the heat -- not good for kids and dogs at play. It also can get nasty in very wet times of year if it doesn't drain properly.
Better solution is to resod the recreational area with low water grass varieties and change out the rest of the lawn to drought-tolerant plantings with an emphasis on native plants.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)only a small area in front and back are landscaped. we use native plants and rock. there are some areas of phoenix where they have grass. when we first moved here 26 years ago there was a lot of grass especially around businesses, but that has changed.
there's no water where i live. we all have our own wells -- some shared.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)or in FL or in AZ...
We have two California buckeye trees that we planted from buckeyes gathered on the street. They're beautiful from late winter until mid-summer when they go dormant.
We have Cleveland sage bushes that are so beautiful and unusual that people always comment on them and the Matilja poppies. Where the planting aren't native, they're Mediterranean or South African plants because they are used to our climate and water cycles.
About the only gardens that requires more than a sip of water are the vegetable beds and a small patch of lawn off the patio. That lawn is brown now and probably will never be revived.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)even if there not blooming (purple) they never get brown. also have 2 hesperaloe. the back has several different agave plants and different cactus. one cactus is huge -- has 8 arms so it's really old. when we built the house we didn't lose any cactus and this big one is right in the center of the back yard. can see it as soon as you come into the house. the whole back of the house has triple sliding glass doors. we have awesome views from every room.
our driveway is not paved. it's dirt -- packed down with 1/4 minus rock on it -- very natural looking. it's a long winding driveway.
there are only a few houses up here. every house has to be on at least 1 acre. many are on 2 or more acres.
i'd post pics if i knew how.
mpcamb
(2,871 posts)Just wondering...
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)it's not shared either which is good.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)so I think it's a safe bet you'll see a lot of low water landscaping/plumbing etc emphasis in the next year as shows aired this year work their way through the pipeline.
But a lot of their shows are Canadian so those shows will presumably be doing weird cold weather stuff I don't understand (vapor barriers, digging up oil tanks in the yard) forever.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)Tempest
(14,591 posts)TomCADem
(17,387 posts)I think the screw you mindset goes along with the right wing's gun fetish. Why do you think Ted Bundy is a Fox News hero? He grazes his cattle on federal lands without paying the appropriate fee, then fools a bunch of militia types to defend his right to free load.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)Ted was the serial killer.
graegoyle
(532 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)are a pain generally, and when they are rich, specifically, very selfish and without principle or a goddamn conscience.
moondust
(19,990 posts)Says he doesn't miss it at all. (Friday night on Real Time.)
No doubt some rich assholes believe their money will save them from any kind of problem that comes along.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)on that show a few months ago said some homeowner's associations don't allow fake grass.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)they are right - we are not all that greedy. Unfortunately I assume it is going to have to get a lot worse before they even begin to understand that we need to work together or we are all doomed.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Reduce your water usage or the state comes out and sprays your entire yard with roundup.
LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)croiduire
(4 posts)All of a piece with Nestlé's water practices ("if I could increase it, I would!" and this insightful analysis).
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)That is, between 1.25 and 1.5% of assessed value based on most recent sale price plus 2% inflation factor each year. Cry me a river.
Second, yeah you should have brown lawns just like everyone else in the state. Buck up.
As for the "war on suburbia," it's only a war on water hogging suburbia. In my suburban San Francisco area we're under only a 16% reduction demand because we already are pretty good at conserving water (small lawns, lots of drought tolerant landscaping and dry-scaping)
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)You can afford it. Once the drought is relieved, you can roll it up and store it for future droughts.
tblue37
(65,394 posts)(SNIP)
Holly Manion, a real estate agent who has lived on the Ranch, as its often called, for most of her 62 years, supports the restrictions. Although Manion cherishes the landscape of manicured lawns and burbling fountains that has long defined the Ranch, she thinks the drought requires a new way of life that emphasizes water conservation.
Just take a drive around the area. Youll see lakes low, rivers dry and hillsides parched, Manion said, adding that she is appalled by people who tolerate leaking sprinklers and the resulting cascades of wasted water.
(SNIP)
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)A yard like this, in some place like Las Vegas or Phoenix, will use from one-third to one-tenth of the water of an all-grass lawn.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)If you have money, you can impose a sort of economic anarchy, using your wealth to deny me water, food, clothing, medical care, etc. If I have a gun or a machete, I can get back some of the stuff from you. Actually, all I can do is kill you to prevent you from monopolizing what I need to live. I mean, I don't WANT to chop you into little pieces, just as I'm sure you don't want to use your money to starve me to death, but it appears life has assigned us certain parts to play, so you go ahead and run those sprinklers.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Two millionaires, who are accustomed to getting their way, pay market rates on an available commodity. They can afford that, until they can't.
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)I mean, what is the appeal of having a grassy lawn in a place not meant for it. Is it some kind of pride thing out west or something?
paleotn
(17,930 posts)...OK. If that's the way you want it, we'd be more than happy to oblige.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Where do I sign up?
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)and that is their sentiment.
That is why the "not all rich people" and "a million dollars is really just middle class" apologists are regressive, simpering lackeys.
Rich people may put on an egalitarian face in public, but know, they really don't think you are their equals in any way.
truthisfreedom
(23,148 posts)With cacti.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Oh the humanity! This is sort of the flip side of "let them eat cake" I guess.
This dirtbag probably doesn't believe that global warming is real either.
dpatbrown
(368 posts)I live in Sacramento, in a neighborhood where houses start at $500,000. I unequivocally expect ALL yards on my street to be brown. NO exceptions. ALL Californians are in the same boat. All must contribute. It will be very easy to see who thinks they are better than others simple because they have more money.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)MY LAWN MUST BE LUSH AND GREEN DURING A DROUGHT, A BLOO BLOO BLOO.
What a bunch of massive crybabies. Why should a parched golf course affect whether you play golf?
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Odd logic. "If you can pay or it, you should get your water". If you can pay for it, should you be able to buy (in theory) anything you please? So we should let rich terrorists purchase nuclear missiles? I mean, if you can pay for it, you should be able to have your nukes, right?
These people disgust me. There are social obligations as well as moral ones when it comes to this. Preserve water, so you can have it in the future, so others may also have it. Or... use as much as you like - until there is no more. Use your share, and the share that should have gone to many other families with children. While their lawns die out, while they struggle in the heat with this reduced water limit...
I don't care how rich they are. Their lives are worth no more than the poorest person in their Nation. Their gardens, their lawns, are not more important simply because of their wealth.
Being wealthy is not a fucking virtue. It doesn't make one inherently more useful to society, a stronger or better person. It doesn't even necessarily mean that one pays their share of the burden in taxes. All it means is that someone has money.
Money is money - it has no value beyond what it can buy. It cannot buy freedom, or peace, or an end to a drought. Nor can it, unfortunately, buy integrity, honor, decency, or compassion for folks like Yuhas or Barbre here.
I really want to reach for that pitch fork when I read this kind of stuff. Their wealth, if anything, obligates them to the society that made it possible - to give something back, to be an example, to support, respect, and protect this Nation that gave them so much.
Instead, the working class pays huge corporate subsidies every year while these rich idiots think it's their "right" to use as much water as they want... even during a drought.
The stupid is almost as painful as the utter lack of humanity revealed in the OP. Good god some people are pathetic.
frylock
(34,825 posts)no, really. I do. Why are you looking at me like that?
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)****YOU PEOPLE LIVE IN THE FUCKING DESERT!!!****
That felt great.
Meanwhile, the rest of the state is just trying to flush a toilet or supply the nations-leading-breadbasket quantity of FOOD to the rest of us. Lets all be worried if Biff and his brahs Chad and Trevor can't find a fourth because the course is browning. The heart aches.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Don't while
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Locrian
(4,522 posts)Interesting that their water consumption went UP 9% after the requested 25% cuts.
Ah yes, nothing like being rich and wasting water to make you feel on top of the world. It just helps even more when you can see all those poor people suffer - bunch of losers. After all, if they weren't so lazy and had my daddy's money - uh, I mean worked really really hard and made money all by myself... yeah.
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)Which guess that means they are not parodies.
What bothers me more than asshole like this, are the people who support assholes like this even though this asshole would be the first one to let them be deprived of water so that he can golf on green grass.
agentS
(1,325 posts)I swear, rich folks sometimes; you gotta wonder if their nannies dropped them on their head too many times as a kid.
http://www.wired.com/2015/06/california-finally-brings-water-kings-account/
The latest windfall to Californias legal community came Friday, when the State Water Resources Control Board announced it was cutting certain historical water rightsheld by some farmers, communities, and companies for more than a century. In a normal state with a normal drought, this wouldnt be too much of an issue. But California water policies are so old (and so unsuited to the states desert ecosystem) that they might be outside the jurisdiction of the present-day water board. With barely a weekend for curtailment news to simmer, the summer air is already thick with lawsuit rumors.
They think this way because the laws allow them to act this way. Change the laws, and take their lawns away.
But hey, they got the money- they can buy polluted fracking water and use that on their precious golf lawns. They're so sick anyway they won't even notice the benzene oders.