CIA torture appears to have broken spy agency rule on human experimentation
Source: The Guardian
The Central Intelligence Agency had explicit guidelines for human experimentation before, during and after its post-9/11 torture of terrorism detainees, the Guardian has learned, which raise new questions about the limits on internal oversight over the agencys in-house and contracted medical research.
Sections of a previously classified CIA document, made public by the Guardian on Monday, empower the agencys director to approve, modify, or disapprove all proposals pertaining to human subject research. The leeway provides the director, who has never in the agencys history been a medical doctor, with significant influence over limitations the US government sets to preserve safe, humane and ethical procedures on people.
... After reviewing the document, one watchdog said the timeline suggested the CIA manipulated basic definitions of human experimentation to ensure the torture program proceeded.
Crime one was torture. The second crime was research without consent in order to say it wasnt torture, said Nathaniel Raymond, a former war-crimes investigator with Physicians for Human Rights and now a researcher with Harvard Universitys Humanitarian Initiative.
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/15/cia-torture-human-experimentation-doctors
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Since when?
valerief
(53,235 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)we have ever been before. Sickening and no one will ever be brought to justice.
Alkene
(752 posts)Because you can't torture a dead person.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)techniques.
That's where the medical experimentation charge comes in.
Not only were they torturing people, they treated them as test subjects.
If the people in charge of government of this nation at that time were allowed to treat its perceived enemies in this way without being charged with a crime, and suffered no punishment, just hope their ilk never get into power again and you never get designated an enemy of the state.
Republicans already know they can get into the highest office of this nation and murder and/or torture humans and get away with it.
They were torturing people while recording data and observations of the effects of torture on the human body, and when the the victims started to die they'd revive them so they could start all over again.
Does it get more evil than to prevent even death as a release from the horrors being inflicted upon you? Would that not be an archetype for Hell?
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)edited to add:
'Among all criminals and murderers, the most dangerous type is the criminal physician' - Miklos Nyiszli, prisoner and pathologist to Dr. Josef Mengele at Auschwitz
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And where are we today? Any better on the World Peace front?
Zip.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)The la-and of the free...
Where sit-in gets you a face-full of pepper-spray, where shooting people in the back is policing and where torturers get protected.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Things have changed.
Yes, it was bad before. But this is bad to a whole other level. The media won't make a peep.
Solly Mack
(90,790 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)democrank
(11,112 posts)Too bad President Obama didn`t have the courage or moral decency to try to hold these war criminals accountable.
The head nodders have made excuses for way, way too much.
countryken
(114 posts)He had to appease the GOP on the war crimes front so that they would work with him during his presidency. That 's why they've been so cooperative and respectful over the last eight years.
Roy Rolling
(6,941 posts)I thought they've been so accommodative is because they wanted to work with the nation's first African-American president to make his presidency a success.
Silly me.
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jalan48
(13,895 posts)That's why it's hard to take our elections seriously. Obama has known of these illegal and immoral activities. Why hasn't he cleaned house at the CIA? Maybe the answer is that the CIA is too powerful for any President to take on, a scary thought for a democracy.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)A detainee "volunteer".
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)That, inevitably, will come back to bite us in the ass when, in the next war, someone EVEN MORE DEVIOUS THAN US decides to conduct experiments on our soldiers. Dont really think we can cry GENEVA CONVENTION, now can we?
I dont understand Obamas reluctance to bring at least a few of these sickos to trial, but Im also puzzled by the UNs disinterest. Certainly that is part of their function...to investigate war crimes and bring those criminals to justice?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)WTF WTF WTF????????
Seems to me if I was a member of the United Nations and someone said the Geneva Convention rules were like soooooo towtally Twentieth Century duh, Id be in a big hurry to investigate why said moron felt compelled to make such a damning proclamation.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)He didn't seem to understand that the Geneva Convention protected the good guys during WWII.
Nitram
(22,900 posts)...to people in uniform. That is, the military fores of a recognized country. The United Nations Convention on Torture,however, of which the U.S. is a signatory, expressly prohibits torture of anyone for any reason.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)The men we were torturing certainly saw themselves as soldiers, but we just say nah...theyre lone wolf terrorists, nothing to see here...whats to stop other nations from saying the same about our soldiers?
And since were SO good at hiring companies like Blackwater (or its latest inception/incarnation) they can just torture the shit out of anyone associated with those paramilitary groups. Like their tech support. Or drivers. Or anyone else who happens to get a paycheck from those kinds of firms but has no combat function whatsoever. If we can ignore the letter AND the spirit of agreements whereby we solemnly swear not to torture people, then everyone is fair game.
Point is WE opened a giant can o worms. Someone REALLY needs to get Shrub, Cheney et al and try them for war crimes.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Anyway you look at it he is the worst kind of creature. Wolverine if you're from Ohio and weasel if you're from somewhere else. Terrible thing to say about wolverines and weasels.
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