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yurbud

(39,405 posts)
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:20 AM Jun 2015

Jeb Bush Among Conservatives Criticizing Pope For Climate Change Encyclical

Source: Huffington Post

GOP presidential hopeful Jeb Bush criticized Pope Francis on Tuesday after a draft of his encyclical on climate change was leaked by an Italian newspaper.

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During a town hall event in New Hampshire, Bush said he thinks religion "ought to be about making us better as people and less about things that end up getting into the political realm."

“I hope I’m not going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home, but I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope,” Bush said, according to the New York Times. “And I'd like to see what he says as it relates to climate change and how that connects to these broader, deeper issues before I pass judgment."

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While many haven't yet spoken out about the pope's views, several Republican presidential hopefuls have question climate change and its origin. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) has said “humans are not responsible for climate change in the way some of these people out there are trying to make us believe.” Business mogul Donald Trump has called global warming a "hoax." Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) has compared climate change activists to "flat-Earthers."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/17/jeb-bush-pope-climate-change_n_7603160.html



The Republican Party is actively trying to be less enlightened than a 2,000 year old church.

Or put another way, when God and money conflict, Republicans say, "SHOW ME THE MONEY!"
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Jeb Bush Among Conservatives Criticizing Pope For Climate Change Encyclical (Original Post) yurbud Jun 2015 OP
Bush is completely clueless! Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #1
Bush Sr and Jenna Bought Biggest Aquifer In Our Hemisphere billhicks76 Jun 2015 #21
its easier than that. Right wingers have been using religion to regulate our lives roguevalley Jun 2015 #25
How do they know that climate-change is NOT real? DetlefK Jun 2015 #2
Data? Models? Frank Cannon Jun 2015 #4
Data? Models? The CCC Jun 2015 #7
Pope Francis has the equivalent of a technician diploma in chemistry. No Vested Interest Jun 2015 #23
Do you want to know the real reason? From a psychological perspective? DetlefK Jun 2015 #8
unfortunately, science can be coerced or bribed--but almost always by wealthy Republicans yurbud Jun 2015 #11
I'm not talking about bribing scientists. DetlefK Jun 2015 #27
Do you want to know the real reason? From a psychological perspective? The CCC Jun 2015 #16
Some of that 3% are in Congress. asjr Jun 2015 #22
Again, I'm not talking about bribing scientists. DetlefK Jun 2015 #28
Or in Bush's case, he's got investments and checks from donors in his pocket that yurbud Jun 2015 #9
Jeb Bush Among Conservatives Criticizing Pope For Climate Change Encyclical The CCC Jun 2015 #3
Yeah, Governor Terry Schiavo bush tells us religion should be less about things that end up calimary Jun 2015 #12
Yes, seems to imply that "the politcal realm" has nothign to do with being "better as people" GreatGazoo Jun 2015 #19
Yes, How Would He Know? ProfessorGAC Jun 2015 #20
lack of knowledge does not stop stupid ignorant repugs samsingh Jun 2015 #5
most of their politicians aren't ignorant--just greedy yurbud Jun 2015 #10
But Bush, et al have no problems with the RCC being a leading political voice on abortion. bulloney Jun 2015 #6
So the rw has rejected the Catholic vote in favor of the evangelicals. Good luck with that. jwirr Jun 2015 #13
"...I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope.." Volaris Jun 2015 #14
Republican believes religion should be less involved in government? OK!!! dakota_democrat Jun 2015 #15
Latin American military regimes would always tell the prelates they could manage Catholicism better MisterP Jun 2015 #17
your last two sentences MBS Jun 2015 #18
So Bush won't listen to the Pope on climate science bucolic_frolic Jun 2015 #24
If Francis had said the earth was flat in this encyclical then LiberalElite Jun 2015 #26
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
21. Bush Sr and Jenna Bought Biggest Aquifer In Our Hemisphere
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:34 PM
Jun 2015

A decade ago. They knew what was happening.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
25. its easier than that. Right wingers have been using religion to regulate our lives
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jun 2015

and that of women. For them to say the pope can't work in politics means they have to shut the fuck up too. Hypocrites.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. How do they know that climate-change is NOT real?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jun 2015

Show me your evidence, your data, your models, your explanations... I do hope that Senator Inhofe has more to offer than a snowball show-and-tell when tackling the question whether the planet is a few degrees warmer than a century ago.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
4. Data? Models?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jun 2015

Look at you, college boy, with all your fancy book-learnin' talk. You think you're smarter 'n me? I got me a Bible that gives me all the science I need.

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
23. Pope Francis has the equivalent of a technician diploma in chemistry.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 05:59 PM
Jun 2015

He worked as a chemistry technician before entering the seminary.
His Jesuit theological education would be the at the masters or doctoral level.

His secondary education was similar to European models of the period, where a specialty in a field of study such as chemistry made him very well prepared for a career as a chemical technician.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
8. Do you want to know the real reason? From a psychological perspective?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jun 2015

Conservatives believe that all that studying and book-learning stuff is just a tool for "scientists"/"intellectuals"/"professors"/"teachers" (yes, those are dirty words in the US) to elevate themselves over the rest of the population.

You elevate yourself over the rest of society by using exclusivity:
A certain amount of money is required, a certain object is required, a certain kind of family is required... All things that are hard to obtain. Rich people do it with possessions, aristocrats have that exclusivity in their inherited family-tree, racists have that exclusivity in their skin-color, misogynists have this exclusivity by way of owning a penis, religious extremists have this exclusivity by owning the one and only correct religion there is...

Being smart is something exclusive.
Science delivering data that cannot be coerced or bribed, that is also exclusivity.

They have no problems elevating themselves over homosexuals by using religious arguments or claims about parentship.
But don't you dare do or say anything that they could understand as meaning that you are better than them.



And all of that explains why conservatives believe that climate-change is a hoax designed to elevate scientists at the expense of everybody else:
Because that is exactly what they would do.


(Damn, I gotta find the links again where I read all this.)

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
27. I'm not talking about bribing scientists.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:04 AM
Jun 2015

I'm talking about the fact that no amount of money in the world can change the way nature works.

Burning carbohydrates produces CO2.
CO2 scatters infrared radiation very effectively and increases the amount of sun-produced heat that can be stored in the atmosphere while slowing down the release of said heat.
Global ocean currents are driven by temperature-gradients.
Global ocean currents have a huge influence on climate.
Climate has an influence on weather.
Weather has an influence on harvests and wear of man-made products.

You can bribe scientists all you want. It won't change the fact that your gas-guzzling car is partially responsible for dangerous weather.

The CCC

(463 posts)
16. Do you want to know the real reason? From a psychological perspective?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jun 2015

HUH?

Science itself is just a way of looking at our world/universe. Scientists can of course can be bribed and coerced. While at about 97% of all scientist studying in the field of climate agree that it is changing and man is causing it. I agree with the overwhelming consensus of climate scientists. That leaves about 3% that don't. Sadly some of that 3% have been bribed and/or coerced.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
28. Again, I'm not talking about bribing scientists.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 05:11 AM
Jun 2015

Step 1: Get a scientist.
Step 2: Bribe that scientist to say that the product of your company can totally do that.
Step 3: The product of your company can now totally do that. It has to. You paid a lot of fuckin' money to get that result! IT BETTER F**KING BE ABLE TO DO THAT!

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
9. Or in Bush's case, he's got investments and checks from donors in his pocket that
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:35 PM
Jun 2015

tell him what's true.

The CCC

(463 posts)
3. Jeb Bush Among Conservatives Criticizing Pope For Climate Change Encyclical
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:46 AM
Jun 2015

Bush said he thinks religion "ought to be about making us better as people and less about things that end up getting into the political realm." Totally oxymoronic.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
12. Yeah, Governor Terry Schiavo bush tells us religion should be less about things that end up
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jun 2015

getting into the political realm.

And the squaring of the circle goes round and round...

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
19. Yes, seems to imply that "the politcal realm" has nothign to do with being "better as people"
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:56 PM
Jun 2015

Destroying the environment that our grandchildren will inherit certainly is not making us "better as people."

ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
20. Yes, How Would He Know?
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jun 2015

Coming from that family of gangsters, what would he know about being a better person?

samsingh

(17,598 posts)
5. lack of knowledge does not stop stupid ignorant repugs
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jun 2015

from commenting and interfering in everything else.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
10. most of their politicians aren't ignorant--just greedy
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jun 2015

As Upton Sinclair said, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
14. "...I don’t get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope.."
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:47 PM
Jun 2015

I'll return the favor, and not expect him (or any other politician) to tell me what my Moral Value system should be.

If the Pope decided that OF COURSE the fossil fuel were put in the ground by Gawd for us to use until it's gone, (and fuck the Arctic sea ice) then Jebbie would be all over that, wouldn't he?

Even without having to actually BE divine, Jesus was right about the filthy rich fuckers, wasn't he? They're the same now, as they were THEN.

I will no longer accept the lesser of two corporate evils. Go, Bernie, Go.

dakota_democrat

(374 posts)
15. Republican believes religion should be less involved in government? OK!!!
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:53 PM
Jun 2015

Yes, I realize he's coming to this conclusion in the dumbest way possible.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
17. Latin American military regimes would always tell the prelates they could manage Catholicism better
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:27 PM
Jun 2015

than any one of them could

they'd go over hymnals and request removal of sufficiently-subversive church music; quotes from Isaiah and St Ambrose on a church calendar? American clergy involved get deported

Jeb was also Poppy's Contra go-between--and they weren't no fans of archbishops ...

MBS

(9,688 posts)
18. your last two sentences
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jun 2015

summarize perfectly the Republican POV.


Yesterday, I heard a scientist (one who is also a very savvy and experienced political guy) note that, of all the developed countries, the US is an outlier on the issue of climate change. We are the only country with prominent politicians who work so actively both to deny climate change and to obstruct any attempt to deal with the problem.
What an embarrassment.
He (keeping his name out of this because I'm working from memory and don't want to inadvertently misquote him) also noted that LBJ talked about global warming 50 years ago.. At that time, we were in the forefront of environmental awareness. We were outliers on environmental issues then, but in a good way.
But now. . thank goodness the Obama administration (including the White House, EPA, Kerry's heroic persistence on these issues at State Dept., etc etc) has been pushing forward to do as much as it has done. But we could do SO much more on this urgent problem if only the Congress would wake up.

Oh, yeah, I heard Sen. Whitehouse speak briefly yesterday, too. He was great. Shall we say, he feels our pain.

(plus there's also the hypocrisy of the Repubs tearing after the "morals" of Catholic Democrats such as Kerry, Biden, Pelosi and others, most outrageously during the 2004 election. . very satisfying to see the holier-than-thou Catholic Republicans squirm right now. )

I can't wait to see Pope Francis tear them to shreds in September.
And I hope that he has EXCELLENT security while he is in the US.

bucolic_frolic

(43,163 posts)
24. So Bush won't listen to the Pope on climate science
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 06:52 PM
Jun 2015

but we're supposed to listen to the Republican Party on birth control,
reproductive rights, free choice, and family planning???

There's something wrong with this, Jeb! Jeb!

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
26. If Francis had said the earth was flat in this encyclical then
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 09:06 PM
Jun 2015

the Repugs would have given him an honorary Ph.D.

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