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seafan

(9,387 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:56 PM Jun 2015

Jeb Bush Reminds Conservatives That He 'Stood' With Terri Schiavo

Source: NBC News

Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush invoked the controversial case of Terri Schiavo at a conservative conference in Washington, DC Friday morning, reminding the audience of his role in the case when he was governor of Florida.

"I stood on the side of Terri Schiavo," Bush said at the Faith and Freedom conference. Bush rarely brings up the Schiavo case on the campaign trail but his brief mention of it was made to a religious, conservative audience receptive to his role in the case.

Bush, who intervened in the long, protracted fight over keeping Schiavo on life support, decided that Schiavo's feeding tube should be reinstated, appealing to pro-life supporters.

The issue spent years traveling through the court system and became a political hot button both in Florida and nationally.

Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/jeb-bush-reminds-conservatives-he-stood-terri-schiavo-n378491



Jeb Bush callously and imperiously tormented Terri Schiavo and her family.

Mr. 'Small Government' Bush is all for stripping away government influence in our lives. Except when it suits his own personal ideological beliefs. This Bush is as cold and calculating as the rest.

And, oh, yes, let's do continue a national dialog about his imperious meddling in this family's tragedy. It telegraphs what he would do from the White House.

RIP, Ms. Schiavo.

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Jeb Bush Reminds Conservatives That He 'Stood' With Terri Schiavo (Original Post) seafan Jun 2015 OP
Don't worry Jeb, we won't soon forget........ TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #1
He needs to remind a lot of people about that disgusting spectacle. Warpy Jun 2015 #2
Weekend at Bernie's redux Human101948 Jun 2015 #28
so he was going against god's will to let her live or not. defying his god. nice nt msongs Jun 2015 #3
Yup, both had atophied brains. nt. Thor_MN Jun 2015 #4
No issue in this campaign is more important than Terri Schiavo RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #5
Santorum was thrown out of office here in PA BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #6
I wouldn't be bringing up that disaster, if I were him. Chemisse Jun 2015 #7
Keep it up Jebby! Punx Jun 2015 #8
Wrong word--He didn't stand with her. . . Stargleamer Jun 2015 #9
Reply to Jeb the Fat Boy Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #10
One can only hope that the Schiavo family chapdrum Jun 2015 #11
Seriously? It's become the family business! TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #34
He's The Real Deal! onehandle Jun 2015 #12
Remember, his brother flew to DC packman Jun 2015 #13
Some days just make me tired ... NotHardly Jun 2015 #14
Thank you for reminding the swing voters about this. Dawson Leery Jun 2015 #15
Jeb: A hard-charging zealot with a callous disregard for personal family privacy seafan Jun 2015 #19
louder and more frequently please JEB Nobel_Twaddle_III Jun 2015 #16
bout the only thing I agreed with him on PatrynXX Jun 2015 #17
My 94 year old mother was slowly dying at the time of the Schiavo incident... CTyankee Jun 2015 #21
Terri Schiavo wasn’t tortured.. okojo Jun 2015 #24
She had no cerebral cortex, i.e. could not feel pain. Frank Cannon Jun 2015 #26
On other words... Chicago1980 Jun 2015 #18
I hope we don't forget either davidpdx Jun 2015 #20
Terri Schiavo wasn’t on life support.. okojo Jun 2015 #25
and against health care? greymattermom Jun 2015 #22
Two things about this speech and organization that should backfire on Bush.. okojo Jun 2015 #23
This is why we are fucked Cosmocat Jun 2015 #27
Jeb BUSH violated MsInformed Jun 2015 #29
The Terri Schivo case was simply a republican death panel. The Jungle 1 Jun 2015 #30
He's bringing that up? Guess he's putting that "smart" Bush thing to rest. Vinca Jun 2015 #31
He did stand with her. Of course they had to prop her up. marble falls Jun 2015 #32
Really? You want us to remember Kelvin Mace Jun 2015 #33
Yeah, keep talking bush2 Cha Jun 2015 #35

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
1. Don't worry Jeb, we won't soon forget........
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:57 PM
Jun 2015

You and that stooge Shovelface Hannity really milked that situation for all it was worth.

And now it will come back to haunt you.

Warpy

(111,302 posts)
2. He needs to remind a lot of people about that disgusting spectacle.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:00 PM
Jun 2015

Schiavo couldn't stand with him because she was dead, and had been for 10 years, kept technically alive by artificial feeding and hydration until someone close to her finally realized there was no hope of recovery.

BumRushDaShow

(129,228 posts)
6. Santorum was thrown out of office here in PA
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:12 PM
Jun 2015

exactly for that reason, among others (like not actually living here in PA, where his kids were phoning it in for school). He lost by the highest percentage of any previous Senator here.

Chemisse

(30,814 posts)
7. I wouldn't be bringing up that disaster, if I were him.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:14 PM
Jun 2015

The favor he would receive from the right would (imo) be more than offset by the repugnance from moderates and liberals in the general election.

Punx

(446 posts)
8. Keep it up Jebby!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:14 PM
Jun 2015

My republican parents (otherwise sensible) won't be voting for you because of the Terry Schiavo incident.

So it won't hurt to keep reminding them of what you did.

 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
11. One can only hope that the Schiavo family
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:18 PM
Jun 2015

will publicly speak their disapproval of this shameless fraud.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,205 posts)
34. Seriously? It's become the family business!
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 02:02 PM
Jun 2015

Her husband, her legal guardian and next of kin, wanted to remove life support when all treatments, including brain surgery, proved futile. It was her parents, who shouldn't have had a legal leg to stand on, who fought him. They even created the Terri Schiavo Foundation, which continues TO THIS DAY, 10 years after her death. An investigation by a Florida TV station in 2010 revealed that the foundation's tax records showed that 64% of the donations in 2008 were spent on salaries for Terri's father, brother and sister. The father died in 2009, but the brother continues to be the executive director and the sister still works for the foundation full time.

Terri's husband Michael wanted to bury her ashes in Pennsylvania, her home state, but her parents wanted the grave to be in Florida. Michael acquiesced, but got the last word. Her grave marker includes the statement "I kept my promise." He said Terri never wanted to be kept alive by artficial means.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
12. He's The Real Deal!
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:00 PM
Jun 2015

Of afflicting pain and suffering on families.

The anti-women's health crowd will indeed eat this up.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
13. Remember, his brother flew to DC
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:02 PM
Jun 2015

from his ranch in a scripted circus atmosphere to sign some paperwork concerning this tragedy. Both ghouls .

From Wikipedia -

Republicans in the United States Congress subpoenaed both Michael and Terri Schiavo to testify at a congressional hearing.[55] Greer told congressional attorneys, "I have had no cogent reason why the (congressional) committee should intervene

President Bush and Congressional Republicans anticipated Greer's (Florida judge ruling on the case) adverse ruling well before it was delivered and worked on a daily basis to find an alternative means of overturning the legal process by utilizing the authority of the United States Congress. On March 20, 2005, the Senate, by unanimous consent, passed their version of a relief bill; since the vote was taken by voice vote, there was no official tally of those voting in favor and those opposed. Soon after Senate approval, the House of Representatives passed an identical version of the bill S.686, which came to be called the "Palm Sunday Compromise" and transferred jurisdiction of the Schiavo case to the federal courts. The bill passed the House on March 21, 2005 at 12:41 a.m. (UTC-5). U.S. President George W. Bush flew to Washington, D.C. from his vacation in Texas in order to sign the bill into law at 1:11 a.m.

... the bill had been proposed by Republican Senators Rick Santorum and Mel Martinez,"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
15. Thank you for reminding the swing voters about this.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jun 2015

The swing voters in the 2006 election strongly disapproved of the unelected Shrub and his brother injecting themselves into a personal family matter. Rick Santorum ended up with a 19 point loss (even though the polls showed him behind by 8) due to his hardline social views.

Let us also remember that Jebby's unelected, war criminal, big brother did nothing about the 64 warnings that an attack was imminent back in the summer of 2001, yet cut his spring vacation short to sign the unconstitutional Terry Schiavo law.

seafan

(9,387 posts)
19. Jeb: A hard-charging zealot with a callous disregard for personal family privacy
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:51 PM
Jun 2015

Michael Schiavo condemned Jeb Bush's interference into his family's privacy in a blistering letter in the Miami Herald in February, 2015.

.....

The truth about Jeb Bush is that he used my wife for his own personal political gain. You don’t have to be a doctrinaire liberal to be angry about that. In fact many conservatives were also horrified by Bush’s zealous intervention.

What Bush did was disgraceful and hurtful. He abused the power of government to impose his personal religious beliefs on me and my family. He made life miserable for my family, the doctors and staff at the nursing home, the police — all because he wanted to involve himself in something that both the law and common human decency told him that no government official should have gotten involved in.

And every time he should have stopped, he went further: signing unconstitutional laws; sending state law enforcement to seize my wife; using his brother, the president, to get Congress involved; and making me out to be a monster.

When his own family came under scrutiny, when his daughter was charged with illegally purchasing Xanax, he pleaded for privacy for his family — privacy that he never considered my family to be worthy of.

.....



After Terri died in 2005, that Bush ba$%^#d went after Michael Schiavo, in a sniping vendetta, asking the Florida state attorney to investigate whether Michael had waited too long to call 911 after Terri collapsed in the early 1990s.

From 2005:

.....Though Bush, then-U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN), and social conservative activists protested that Terri Schiavo was not in a persistent vegetative state, an autopsy confirmed that she had been.

“It’s one thing to have your own personal beliefs,” Felos (Michael Schiavo's attorney) said, “It’s quite another to use your official powers and your official office to subvert the court and the lawful process.”

He also recalled that after Schiavo’s death, Jeb Bush went after Michael Schiavo personally, asking the state’s attorney to investigate whether he had called 911 fast enough. “It was very odd, almost like a personal vendetta the governor had towards Michael Schaivo.” The state’s attorney found no evidence against him and closed the case. “The propriety of using your office to hunt and harass people, as the governor did to Mr. Schiavo after his wife’s death, I think raises significant questions about his judgment and his character,” Felos said.

Michael Schiavo, nearly a decade later, said he believes Jeb Bush’s intervention was a purely political move and an act of buffoonery. “If you want a government that’s gonna be intrusive and interfere in your personal life, vote for Bush. If you want to live like that, want people to interfere in your personal lives, then vote for him,” he said.



Fast forward to June, 2015:

Jeb Bush already asserted after his recent European tour that his views are not going to change.

.....In the past six months, Bush has made clear he will remain committed to his core beliefs in the campaign to come — even if his positions on immigration and education standards are deeply unpopular among the conservative base of the party that plays an outsized role in the GOP primaries.

"I'm not going to change who I am," Bush said as he wrapped up a week-long European trip this weekend. "I respect people who may not agree with me, but I'm not going to change my views because today someone has a view that's different.".....



No. He respects no one, and nothing that does not align with his personal beliefs.


This domineering, rigidly ideological bully must never be allowed anywhere near the White House.

And you are right, Dawson Leery. The swing voters and everyone else must be reminded of this whole shameful episode of King Jeb's rule.


PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
17. bout the only thing I agreed with him on
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:50 PM
Jun 2015

and really no point in arguing about it. I know I'm in the minority. But torturing her to death via starvation is rather cruel.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
21. My 94 year old mother was slowly dying at the time of the Schiavo incident...
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 08:28 AM
Jun 2015

she was in a hospital in Dallas and had been refusing food for a while. She wanted to die. I was at her side as she declined and she was not suffering. She was peaceful and in no pain. I asked that she have any meds she needed to be out of pain and she got them.

okojo

(76 posts)
24. Terri Schiavo wasn’t tortured..
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:23 AM
Jun 2015

Terri Schiavo wasn’t in pain when fluids were denied to her. She couldn’t hear, she couldn’t see, her cranium was mainly full of water. Her basic brain function was there to help her breathing and sleep cycles. She was like this for over a decade..

Letting Terri Schiavo die a natural death, was a compassionate act. She didn’t want to live like this, and it took many years to finally allow her to die.

Torture is for the sadistic pleasure of the torturer. Allowing Terry to die, was one giving dignity to someone who basically long been dead for over a decade.. Michael Schiavo and even Terri’s parents tried almost everything for year to help Terri to get better, from electric diodes in her brain to stimulate brain activity, to putting make up and nice clothes on Terri as a way to help her remember.

What Jeb Bush did by interceding in this case for years, was in some ways torture.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
26. She had no cerebral cortex, i.e. could not feel pain.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:55 AM
Jun 2015

She had no conscious awareness of anything whatsoever. She literally did not have the structures in her brain that are REQUIRED for that.

I really wish basic anatomy and physiology was a mandatory course in high schools.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
20. I hope we don't forget either
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:31 AM
Jun 2015

We don't forget that he participated in legal and legislative tactics that deprived her of her wish to be taken off life support. If you are the nominee Jeb, you better believe I will be reminding EVERYONE I know of the shit you pulled.

okojo

(76 posts)
25. Terri Schiavo wasn’t on life support..
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:33 AM
Jun 2015

Terri Schiavo had very basic brainstem activities. She could be awake, breath and sleep on her own. Other than that, she was also blind, deaf, her cerebral cortex was pretty much destroyed and filled with water in its place. She was in a persistent vegetative state...

This is more about allowing the court to rule that she wanted to end her life if she ended up in a persistent vegetative state. The court agreed, and allow her to die by cutting off water and nutrients to her..

Others like Jahi McMath, is not on life support. She is dead. She has machines keep her heart going by doing the breathing, besides catheters and colostomy bags to remove the waste. She doesn’t even have any sort of brain activity, whatsoever..

okojo

(76 posts)
23. Two things about this speech and organization that should backfire on Bush..
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:12 AM
Jun 2015

Terri Schiavo case may appeal to social conservatives, but that is it. Jeb Bush almost caused a Constitutional Crisis by trying to derail against a court order. He sent Florida State Troopers to take over the situation in the last days of Schiavo’s life, but they were turned back at the last moment. He constantly went out of his way to put himself and the State of Florida in a painful family matter.

He also tried to derail the autopsy report findings of Terri Schiavo, by stating he opened a criminal investigation on Michael Schiavo and allegations of abuse of Terri Schiavo, mainly to take away oxygen from the damning autopsy report..

Women are very well aware of how Jeb Bush acted. Bush acted as intrusive and borderline illegal in the Terri Schiavo case as any politician out there..

Second, Ralph Reed, The head of the Faith and Freedom Forum. Friends with Jack Abramoff. Took huge amounts of money from Jack Abramoff, would help launder funds from Casinos to other social conservative groups and took a cut of the proceeds, like any good money launderer. Reed should had been indicted with Abramoff. He was lucky he survived.

I do think hanging out with Ralph Reed, no matter his years in the Conservative movement, (Christian Coalition, Head of the Republican Party in Georgia, failed candidate for Lt. Gov at the heigh of the Abramoff scandal) is not a good idea. He took millions from Abramoff’s clients, mainly to block casino as a proxy to rival casinos...

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
27. This is why we are fucked
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:57 AM
Jun 2015

example #877,294 in republicans being absurdly wrong about something, but crowing about it and nobody even caring, much less caring enough to call them out on it.

MsInformed

(48 posts)
29. Jeb BUSH violated
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:15 PM
Jun 2015

the sanctity of the Schiavos' marriage, seems to me. Your spouse gets to make theses calls, not the governor.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
30. The Terri Schivo case was simply a republican death panel.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 01:22 PM
Jun 2015

Bush brought it up and now he should be beat over the head with the issue of how much government intervention in private family matters is appropriate.

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