for a candidate whose name is never uttered by on-air media.

expose how little people respect the constant corporatist propaganda spewing from their TVs...

I'm curious how much further it will grow before the MSM start taking notice - and mention they have done so.

The perception of arrogant entitlement is a serious and growing problem for Ms. Clinton.

Hate to say it, but in a general election, almost anybody the GOP runs will beat Hillary. Bernie, on the other hand, will win lots of Republican votes.

Glad to see this news today. I'm from Iowa and I will caucus for Bernie.

I understand the OP's enthusiasm ("YES! Now Bernie is at 24%!!! &quot -- after all, Bernie was barely a blip a couple of months ago. And maybe it's easy to think that his numbers will continue to grow as more people get to know him (after all, they all know HRC already).

But these charts show that these voters do know him, and still choose HRC overall... and it indicates exactly where the strengths and weaknesses are. They give Bernie his props for being authentic and for being more willing to take on Wall Street. But HRC wins on foreign policy, knowing how to get things done, and being perceived as being a stronger candidate in the general election.

So how can Bernie become more competitive in these areas?

For foreign policy, HRC's credentials are hard to top... Bernie mostly benefits in this area only to the extent that there are dems who, while acknowedling HRC's expertise, are uncomfortable with her hawkish slant. Jeb Bush announced a team of foreign policy advisors even before he officially declared himself a candidate. Maybe Sanders could make some inroads in this area by doing something similar.

Knowing how to get things done... well, Sanders has certainly been in Congress a long time. While understandably focusing on the future and what he wants to try to do, he'll need to find a way to also make people aware of what he has successfully accomplished in the past, as evidence that he can do more than just talk a good game. I love that he voted against things like IWR and Patriot Act and DOMA, but I like Sanders and even I can't tell you of anything he's actually accomplished. I understand that he has long been something of a David against a Goliath, and it's better to accomplish nothing than to facilitate bad policies, but if he could point to some legislative sucesses, that would help him in this area.

If he can address those two areas, that will go a long way toward addressing the third. By shoring up his weaknesses, and then continuing to gain on HRC, he will increasingly be seen as a viable candidate in November. It's a circular, self-fulfilling proposition: starting as the underdog has has been from the start, the more he wins, the more he will be seen as someone who can win.

I'm sitting on the fence, but the breathless reports of "Gaining!!" when the reality is "24%" is getting old.

I hope this becomes a real race rather than what it currently is.

advisors who knew what they were doing. In the debates Bernie will have the answers we want to hear.

As to not knowing how to get things done - the voters need to be reminded what triangulation gets us: welfare "reform", NAFTA, (and not TPP), repeal of banking regulations, etc. Those things are not popular and she needs to be asked about them. As her husbands advisor we need to know how she stood on these issues.

And above all we need to get Bernie's voting record and his rating from groups like NAACP, NARAL and other out in the public.

They'll make amusing "How about that" points of reflection by this time next year.

so many are. That actually gives me hope. Once they debate let's see how the numbers move. The debates will be the key I think. If Hillary does well vs Sanders it's over. If Bernie is able to show how she is not authentic based on policy positions he has a real chance to move some more voters to his side.

not trumpet some vague platitudes and dance around her positions

Wouldn't the Republicons use the socialist label so effectively that Sanders could never win in a general election?

They use it on everyone to the left of Hitler.

They'd use "socialist" just like they use "liberal." But just like "corporatist," the bogey man loses some of his fearsome image when there's nothing behind the hype.

In the debates on TV, there won't be "a socialist" or "a corporatist," but rather Bernie and Hillary. It's there where the party will be demanding, "montrez vos couleurs!" Bernie has nothing to lose, so I have every confidence that he will. Hillary had better be prepared to do the same, or seriously diminish her chances with those of us whose primary preferences are as yet undecided.

Second, people who would say "I like him, but I can't vote for him because he's a Socialist" are not going to be voting for the Democratic nominee anyway.

and again in 2012 , there will be no problem for bernie

While Sanders is indeed enjoying something of a mini-surge in the two states, the polls show he's almost certain to hit a ceiling eventually, said Purple Strategies' Doug Usher.

“Clinton remains enormously well-known and well-liked in New Hampshire, a state she won before,” Usher said. “She benefits from a gender gap in a primary that will be disproportionately female, and even Sanders’ voters admit Clinton is likely the nominee. As long as Democrats like both candidates simultaneously, Sanders will have an uphill climb.”

The New Hampshire survey shows the race not as close there as a poll released last week by Suffolk University, which had Clinton at 41 percent and Sanders at 31 percent. Unlike the Bloomberg Politics/Saint Anselm poll, the Suffolk survey didn’t start with a database of registered voters, instead relying more on the self-reported likelihood of voting in the primary. It also included Vice President Joe Biden, while this one didn’t.

But the polls really show how crazy voters are.

They don't believe Hillary would go after Wall St the way Bernie will

They are really concerned about beating Republicans more than anything else

Hillary is not as authentic as Bernie

Hillary can get things done

But how can you trust someone you don't believe is forthright & you know favors Wall Street? Bill C. got things done too. Nafta & repeal of Glass Steagell. Seems that the majority is only sure that they want to beat republicans...not really change anything.

that exist in our party today. That is to say, people who prefer to be led than to lead.

In many ways, the Democratic Party has personally left me behind over the last few decades and that is fine if it is what the majority prefers. If the majority of a people in a party prefer to support the goals of Milton Friedman, and provide that goal with more money and more power than they do to the people fighting for goals opposite of him, that reality will be reflected.

A fact which I have been struggling with for years but am slowly coming to grips with. Polls like this always seem to bear it out for me. The more we relinquish our self determination to Wall St, the softer our grip on democracy. For some, that has been the goal all along.

"Freedom of choice is what you've got, freedom from choice is what you want."

And sadly it's true. So uninformed and this blind loyalty to party meme keeps us that way. "The more we relinquish our self determination to Wall St, the softer our grip on democracy." Absolutely! The omnibus bill is the prime example.
Profound statement at the end. We don't really have choices. One from side A or one from side B. No one ever wonders how they're picked in the first place. Groomed so to speak to continue the same policies over and over again.
A lot of sleepers are waking up. Just hope it's not too late. Bernie talks about a revolution. That's what it will take to clean out Congress. Years. Sadly most voters want instant success.

As a Hillary supporter, these polls do not surprise me because I think Bernie is an interesting and exciting candidate. I also think Hillary is, too. I am a bit surprised that Bernie has not caught up to her in these two states – what with all the hoopla over his candidacy, how Hillary is 'phony' and how IA and NH are progressive states that, of course, would never vote for a 'Wall Streeter like Hillary.' And the fact she is 30+ ahead in NH really surprises me. What’s even more surprising is how Chafee got 1% in NH - what are these people thinking???

As far as the word ‘coronation’ goes that is thrown around quite a bit, you don’t hear that from Hillary (or her supporters) – that’s media and anti-Hillary jargon. Just because some of us believe Hillary will be our nominee does not translate into that we think she should be crowned Queen and everyone else step aside. The Bernie supporters on DU believe he will be the nominee, but I have never heard him being accused of being crowned King. And Hillary not caring about working folks or standing up for us is just plain hogwash. That’s the ‘drip, drip, drip’ of anti-Hillary speak that those who support others hope will take hold in the minds of voters.

I will be the first to admit that I do not believe Hillary is as far left as Bernie is, but that does not mean she is not a progressive.

And one more thing, I like to consider myself a pretty far left liberal (maybe I’m delusional), but I’m not getting (or understanding) all the hate towards Wall Street. I hear in speeches about breaking up banks, etc, but I don’t even know what that means. Hell, a lot of my retirement investments are from so-called Wall Street companies and I’m pretty happy about that. I’m definitely not an anti-corporation guy (oh my gosh I even support GMOs!), so I think it’s probably something I just don’t understand. Anybody shedding some light on the anti-Wall Street rhetoric would be appreciated!

Dems in 2016!

the '08 crash? If not I will let someone else fill you in.

A global recession combined with upper-percentile tax cuts?

A global recession combined with upper-percentile tax cuts and massive defense spending?

Oh hell... what was I thinking?

It was the Clenis!

Clenis!

The meltdown http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meltdown/view/

Maybe because you are in the investment class everyone else seems to be wrong? Just what % of the US people do you think have the extra money to invest? Did you forget about those that live pay check to pay check? How about those that have no retirement savings? Enjoy your group class and Wall Street ...many of us, I guess not including you will continue to fight against those that brought us the recession.

for the next crash? It could be his savings and his home and investments that go belly up. And this time I do not see the people being willing to bail the banks out.

and that would explain why some are pro TPP and pro Hillary and even pro war if they have MIC stocks.

and a smile.....
Thank you...thank you all for Promoting this Most amazing candidate....nay...this Most Amazing Leader, Educator and Trustworthy Statesman who speaks To and For All of us!

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zeroing in on what exactly will happen. When you go to the caucus you do not just walk in and vote and leave. Everyone gets to have a say if they wish and tell why they like their candidate. So once inside the caucus many can and will change their minds.

This is very good news. Iowa Bernie supporters have your arguments ready.

Sanders should just keep doing what he's doing. He has time. His campaign doesn't have to peak until next Spring.

It's about the grass roots.

Thing will get ugly soon those numbers go any hire and we can look forward to more trashy PUMA antics.

The good news for Bernie if anything is that Clinton is hiring a lot of the same people that projected her to win 100% of the caucus state delegates. They probably did learn their lesson about assuming things in caucus states, but they are still the same incompetents they were so they are bound to make some other grave errors.