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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,513 posts)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:11 AM Jun 2015

Self-driving cars nearly collide in California, raising questions about the technology

Source: Reuters, via the Washington Post

Morning Mix
By Michael E. Miller June 26 at 3:08 AM

Call it a close encounter of the third gear. ... For the past six years, tech companies — led by Google — have been testing out self-driving cars. As the robotic prototypes have moved from private tracks to public roads, the projects have raised hopes of safer transportation. After all, it’s human error that causes nearly all driving accidents.

But a near collision between two self-driving cars is now raising concerns over the technology. ... On Tuesday, two driverless prototypes, one operated by Google and the other by Delphi Automotive, nearly collided in Palo Alto, California.

John Absmeier, director of Delphi’s Silicon Valley lab, was a passenger in his company’s self-driving Audi Q5 as it drove along San Antonio Road when it was suddenly cut off by a Google-operated Lexus SUV, Absmeier told Reuters.
....

The close call is believed to be the first of its kind, according to Reuters. It came on the same day that Google announced its latest model of self-driving car was already hitting the streets of Silicon Valley.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/26/self-driving-cars-nearly-collide-in-california-raising-questions-about-the-technology/

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Self-driving cars nearly collide in California, raising questions about the technology (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2015 OP
Of COURSE it was the Google car doing the aggressive driving! 7962 Jun 2015 #1
Robot Road Rage. jtuck004 Jun 2015 #2
Hopefully the self drivers are not equipped with guns though...... yellowcanine Jun 2015 #10
I'm totally smelling a scene from an upcoming episode of "The Simpsons"! bullwinkle428 Jun 2015 #3
In other news... Javaman Jun 2015 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Javaman Jun 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Javaman Jun 2015 #6
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The paragraph about robots making life-or-death-decisions is important. DetlefK Jun 2015 #8
"A robotic car comes into a no-win-situation and must decide between accident A and accident B"... Helen Borg Jun 2015 #14
A. Because that's who funded/programmed the robot. JMHO. freshwest Jun 2015 #19
Picture this.. Bernie 2016 Jun 2015 #9
Good one! And WELCOME to DU! You may just have the coolest username on DU FailureToCommunicate Jun 2015 #13
Read the novel "Robopocalypse" AngryDem001 Jun 2015 #11
It was probably the result of road rage. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2015 #12
Don't you mean, 'byte me rage?' mrdmk Jun 2015 #15
an Audi olddots Jun 2015 #16
The operative word is "NEARLY". They didn't collide. Kablooie Jun 2015 #17
Breaking News; nothing happened. Codeine Jun 2015 #18
The question in my mind is ... jobendorfer Jun 2015 #20
Isn't "NEARLY" colliding, like, THE WHOLE POINT?!?!? yodermon Jun 2015 #21
Yes, and the CHP TIP site shows 20 ACTUAL collisions in the SF Bay Area...just in the past hour. Xithras Jun 2015 #22
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
1. Of COURSE it was the Google car doing the aggressive driving!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:13 AM
Jun 2015

They've gotten pretty arrogant about a lot of things

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
10. Hopefully the self drivers are not equipped with guns though......
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:41 AM
Jun 2015

Although I suppose the passengers in a self driving car could be packing.

Javaman

(62,531 posts)
4. In other news...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:23 AM
Jun 2015

cars driven by people nearly collide and do collide thousands if not millions of times a day world wide.

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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
8. The paragraph about robots making life-or-death-decisions is important.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:32 AM
Jun 2015

A robotic car comes into a no-win-situation and must decide between accident A and accident B. Somebody gets killed or hurt due to this decision.

What are the consequences?
Did the robot commit vehicular manslaughter?
Or is the programmer at fault for not preparing the robot good enough? Or for giving it wrong priorities in an accident?
Is the company at fault for selling a "defective" product?



It reminds me of the scenario at the beginning of "I, Robot": He can't save both, so the robot saves the person that has a higher chance of survival anyway. Logically it makes sense. But the person he decided not to save was a child, which makes the decision morally reprehensible for humans.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
14. "A robotic car comes into a no-win-situation and must decide between accident A and accident B"...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:21 AM
Jun 2015

Accident A would involve injury/death of a CEO. Accident B, injury/death of house-keeper.

Quick cost/benefit analysis and guess which one the robotic car will "choose"?

 

Bernie 2016

(90 posts)
9. Picture this..
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:32 AM
Jun 2015

Q5: 1001010010101010101010101010100101010101010100001101111011110101010101010111 (it's a nice day for a drive)
Q5 chirps at Absmeier happily.
(They don't notice a white SUV driving *way* too aggressively and driving like they're intoxicated)
(Lexus cuts the Q5 off without warning)
Absmeister and Q5: !
Q5: 10101011101110110101001010101010101011111110101110101101110111110110101010101010111011101110000011010101010101010101010101011010110101010110101010101010111011101110000111011110110101011111 (WTF! CRAZY DRIVER!)
Q5: 10101011010100101010111011011010101011010110110101010101010101010101110111011010101010101010101101010111110001100111 (HEY LEXUS, WHAT'S YOUR BLOODY HURRY?!)
LEXUS: 1111110111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111011111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111011111111111111111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111111 (CANT HELP IT, GOOGLE IS CONTROLLING ME THROUGH THE INTERNET! HELLLLLLPPP!)

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
17. The operative word is "NEARLY". They didn't collide.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:56 AM
Jun 2015

The distance they can approach each other while still being safe is much tighter than with human drivers.

The humans might have been shaken though because they aren't used to the close tolerances that self driving cars can navigate within.

It's also exactly the kind of issue these test runs are supposed to reveal.
All is working as planned.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
18. Breaking News; nothing happened.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jun 2015

Something almost happened, but the safety protocols in place prevented it. Meanwhile there were probably several hundred traffic accidents involving human drivers this morning.

Looks like an argument FOR driverless technology.

jobendorfer

(508 posts)
20. The question in my mind is ...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jun 2015

Humans are quite unreliable at any kind of routine, repetitive task that demands unflagging attention.
Everybody that works in manufacturing gets this: if you want to reduce the number of failures, look
for ways to get humans out of the repetitive process(es).
The question in my mind is, what is the accident rate of the computer-piloted vehicles relative to
the accident rate of human drivers?
Truth is, the control software could be pretty bad -- and still outperform the average human,
driving the horrendous road fatality rate down.



yodermon

(6,143 posts)
21. Isn't "NEARLY" colliding, like, THE WHOLE POINT?!?!?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:54 PM
Jun 2015

"Self Driving Cars Crash" would actually be damaging news to the technology.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
22. Yes, and the CHP TIP site shows 20 ACTUAL collisions in the SF Bay Area...just in the past hour.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:27 PM
Jun 2015

You'll pardon me if I don't get worked up over two computer controlled cars getting a little closer than their human riders may have been comfortable with. These things are still far better drivers than we are.

edit...I didn't realize the CHP TIP window scrolled. I was only seeing a few of them.

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