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alp227

(32,037 posts)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:04 PM Jun 2015

Abbott says state employees may withhold benefits from same sex couples

Source: Houston Chronicle

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott opened the door for state employees to withhold benefits from same-sex couples Friday, hours after the Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage nationwide.

In a letter released Thursday afternoon, Abbott ordered heads of state agencies to prioritize religious freedom, writing that no adverse action should be taken against a state official "on account of the person's act or refusal to act that is substantially motivated by sincere religious belief."

"This order applies to any agency decision, including but not limited to granting or denying benefits, managing agency employees, entering or enforcing agency contracts, licensing and permitting decisions, or enforcing state laws and regulations," Abbott wrote.

Earlier this month, the governor signed into law the "Pastor Protection Act," which exempts private citizens from performing marriages that would cause them to "violate a sincerely held religious belief.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Abbott-order-6351661.php



Wendy Davis should've run a better campaign...
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Abbott says state employees may withhold benefits from same sex couples (Original Post) alp227 Jun 2015 OP
Then these bigots should not be working in the public sector! Roland99 Jun 2015 #1
It will be challenged in court I imagine and frankly, any state that does that I hope goes bankrupt. roguevalley Jun 2015 #37
I do hold solace in one thing, though Roland99 Jun 2015 #47
I truly hope so, my friend. roguevalley Jun 2015 #49
If we had no RWNJ's the courts would be practically empty. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #2
Well, there comes the next set of court cases. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #3
My exact thought as well. n/t DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #21
True but it is what it is and now the state pay for it and do mean pay $$ for it cstanleytech Jun 2015 #4
Texas: a lawyers paradise. n/t jaysunb Jun 2015 #5
Wish it were true! Dustlawyer Jun 2015 #29
I am getting real sick of people feeling their religious beliefs give them more rights Angry Dragon Jun 2015 #6
The reincarnation of George Wallace PDittie Jun 2015 #7
They would have to withhold benefits from all married couples KamaAina Jun 2015 #8
Can you say discrimination lawsuit, Gov Abbot? herding cats Jun 2015 #9
+10000 azurnoir Jun 2015 #22
I tried to warn people that Wendy Davis had loser written all over her bluestateguy Jun 2015 #10
So do you feel better about things, now? (nt) Paladin Jun 2015 #16
All of the "democrats" who ran as republican lite leftieNanner Jun 2015 #17
What then was the alternative you proposed? LanternWaste Jun 2015 #24
Who were you backing? Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #38
They'll deny benefits to atheists, liars, and gamblers too, right? arcane1 Jun 2015 #11
And Bristol Palin get the red out Jun 2015 #31
What a vindictive weasel...another unconstitutional act to pander to the religious nutcase base, but the hate is hitting Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #12
This won't survive a circuit court challenge. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #13
Good luck with that! Fearless Jun 2015 #14
I'd think this law would be easily overturned, lark Jun 2015 #15
Slammer time for Abbott! RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #18
Yep, he has basically told state employees skepticscott Jun 2015 #19
I hope the citizens of Texas are getting ready to open their wallets. Shrike47 Jun 2015 #20
Yawn....whatev guv. WestSeattle2 Jun 2015 #23
So can an employer decide to only give benefits to same sex couples but not opposite sex? drm604 Jun 2015 #25
This is emblematic of the mess created by the Hobby Lobby decision Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #26
What a douchebag SoCalNative Jun 2015 #27
I thought we lived in a country where we could practice religion d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #28
Yup. He's instructing state employees to violate the 1st Am Separation of Church and State. nt SunSeeker Jun 2015 #36
They are going to learn a hard lesson. When a country does not obey the laws often the federal jwirr Jun 2015 #30
Right ... and then it's mostly poor people who will suffer ... brett_jv Jun 2015 #41
I know. jwirr Jun 2015 #43
with normal people that would work restorefreedom Jun 2015 #42
I suppose that Austin will be flooded sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #32
Anyone know anything about Texas impeachment rules? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #33
What a piece of shit that man is. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #34
This stupid sonofabitch is intent on spending tax dollars on lawsuits hamsterjill Jun 2015 #35
No they may not, Guv Fuckwad. roamer65 Jun 2015 #39
these idiots making all of these public cindyperry Jun 2015 #40
Why doesn't he just F*ck off? Gloria Jun 2015 #44
this is what it has been about all along folks... icarusxat Jun 2015 #45
Let's hear Rick Perry's opinion on this, preferably at a GOP debate. Paladin Jun 2015 #46
Blatantly illegal alarimer Jun 2015 #48

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
1. Then these bigots should not be working in the public sector!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:07 PM
Jun 2015

if their churches are going to fire people and kick people out of their church for acts perceived to be against their faith then not performing one's assigned civic duties should be an offense resulting in dismissal!

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
37. It will be challenged in court I imagine and frankly, any state that does that I hope goes bankrupt.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jun 2015

enough already.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
47. I do hold solace in one thing, though
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 07:23 AM
Jun 2015

over the course of our history on this spinning orb, we have generally progressed forward re: society and its acceptance of traits, behaviour, etc. that have been outside the norm held by the group(s) in power.

Suffrage
Slavery
Civil Rights
LGBT rights

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
2. If we had no RWNJ's the courts would be practically empty.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:08 PM
Jun 2015

They either sue, and lose, or they force us to sue them, and they lose.

Bunch a freaking LOSERS!!

cstanleytech

(26,299 posts)
4. True but it is what it is and now the state pay for it and do mean pay $$ for it
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:10 PM
Jun 2015

because you can just bet that there will be alot of lawsuits and I suspect the state will be losing most of them especially if a state official while on the job discriminates against someone because of the governors order.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
29. Wish it were true!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jun 2015

We have the most stringent tort reform in the country. If you somehow get a judgement against a corporation, the Texas Supreme Court will take it away and make up something to justify their ruling.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
6. I am getting real sick of people feeling their religious beliefs give them more rights
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:11 PM
Jun 2015

I say they can do that if they are not sinners

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
9. Can you say discrimination lawsuit, Gov Abbot?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:20 PM
Jun 2015

That's what you'll be facing unless you eliminate all spousal benefits for state employees. I'm sure that will go over well with the state employees in Texas.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
10. I tried to warn people that Wendy Davis had loser written all over her
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jun 2015

A Texas sized Martha Coakley.

But we had people here at DU who were just cocksure that she was the next governor of Texas.

:eyeroll:

leftieNanner

(15,127 posts)
17. All of the "democrats" who ran as republican lite
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jun 2015

LOST BIG TIME. Allison Grimes in Kentucky is another one. Martha Coakley should never be allowed to run for anything. Losing Teddy Kennedy's seat in Mass??? Really??? And then the Governorship???

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
24. What then was the alternative you proposed?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:08 PM
Jun 2015

What then was the alternative you proposed?

eyeroll, part II

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
11. They'll deny benefits to atheists, liars, and gamblers too, right?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jun 2015

I mean, if it really is about "religious freedom" and not about hating on gay people.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
12. What a vindictive weasel...another unconstitutional act to pander to the religious nutcase base, but the hate is hitting
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jun 2015

a curtain of love like a wet match.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
18. Slammer time for Abbott!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:53 PM
Jun 2015

If he orders this, is it not a serious act of sedition?
Add up all the other crap he's said, and he's looking for a nice long stay in the Crowbar Hotel.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
19. Yep, he has basically told state employees
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:55 PM
Jun 2015

that they can go ahead and violate the law. In fact, he has essentially encouraged them to do so.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
25. So can an employer decide to only give benefits to same sex couples but not opposite sex?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jun 2015

I guess they wouldn't accept that there's a religious excuse for that.

They are going to fight this tooth and nail, kicking and biting, every damned inch of the way. I hope the courts come down on them HARD for this kind of nonsense.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
26. This is emblematic of the mess created by the Hobby Lobby decision
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:18 PM
Jun 2015

The "Pastor Protection Act" is perfectly OK with me, but giving an individual state employee the right to deny benefits to people based on sexual orientation is absurd. I have no doubt that Governor Abbott is homophobic, and that his bigotry is based on sincerely held Christian beliefs. However, he is the governor of all the people in his state and he has no right to enforce the law for the benefit of some and not for others. Yet that is exactly what his order to the heads of state agencies does.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
28. I thought we lived in a country where we could practice religion
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:31 PM
Jun 2015

Not force it upon other people through their jobs. I think those religious bills are gubbermint over reach.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
30. They are going to learn a hard lesson. When a country does not obey the laws often the federal
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jun 2015

government withholds funds. It is one of the tools the government has and it works.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
41. Right ... and then it's mostly poor people who will suffer ...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jun 2015

Hey, win/win for the assholes, right?

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
42. with normal people that would work
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:02 PM
Jun 2015

but these wingnuts are refusing federal $ for medicaid expansion and denying millions of their own constituents health care just to try and stick a thumb in the eye of the president. and apparently they are screwing themselves out of millions because of their twisted ideology. i am afraid the feds are going to have to come up with something else besides withholding $.

too bad we are not dealing with rational people.....


muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
33. Anyone know anything about Texas impeachment rules?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jun 2015

Abbott appears to be encouraging state employees to break the law, and telling other state employees not to enforce the law. I'd think that's impeachable in a decent system.

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
35. This stupid sonofabitch is intent on spending tax dollars on lawsuits
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jun 2015

Lawsuits that are going to have absolutely ZILCH in merit in the long run, especially after today's ruling.

When we've got hunger, poverty, teen pregnancy, illiteracy, famine and disease in Texas. You'd think the SOB could prioritize a little better.

Yes, I sure wish that Wendy would have won.

cindyperry

(151 posts)
40. these idiots making all of these public
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:01 PM
Jun 2015

pronouncements about how we are now doomed and whatever else nonsense are just childish bigots in the middle of a temper tantrum. they no longer have someone they can hold up and say see we are better than they are the law says so . to hell with them not worthy of our attention there is important business to do and they are not it.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
44. Why doesn't he just F*ck off?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:35 PM
Jun 2015

I hate being so close to TX...

I just hate their guts, sometimes...

This is what I heard today..."You can now be married at 10 AM, and be fired by 4 pm" (sic) in many states...

The fight goes on...

icarusxat

(403 posts)
45. this is what it has been about all along folks...
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:49 AM
Jun 2015

like they said in that movie, follow the money...
I have been telling my friends this for years, and most of them, after considering my point, agreed...

Paladin

(28,266 posts)
46. Let's hear Rick Perry's opinion on this, preferably at a GOP debate.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jun 2015

Perry being a lifelong government employee, and all......

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