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alp227

(32,025 posts)
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:58 AM Jul 2015

Robot kills man at Volkswagen plant in Germany

Source: AP

BERLIN (AP) — A robot has killed a contractor at one of Volkswagen's production plants in Germany, the automaker said Wednesday.

The man died Monday at the plant in Baunatal, about 100 kilometers (62 miles) north of Frankfurt, VW spokesman Heiko Hillwig said.

The 22-year-old was part of a team that was setting up the stationary robot when it grabbed and crushed him against a metal plate, Hillwig said.

He said initial conclusions indicate that human error was to blame, rather than a problem with the robot, which can be programmed to perform various tasks in the assembly process. He said it normally operates within a confined area at the plant, grabbing auto parts and manipulating them.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d18c4801a5324926a1845690148b664a/robot-kills-man-volkswagen-plant-germany

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Robot kills man at Volkswagen plant in Germany (Original Post) alp227 Jul 2015 OP
and so it begins... Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #1
We may need this... Maedhros Jul 2015 #2
never know how soon that will happen with the way police 'toys' have become more powerful Sunlei Jul 2015 #28
A woman named Sarah O'Conner tweeted about the incident and couldn't understand the reaction. Towlie Jul 2015 #35
The name is Sarah Connors in the Terminator. Close, but no cigar. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #36
Sarah Connor, I believe, not Connors. nt tblue37 Jul 2015 #39
I believe it was Sarah Jeanette Connor. She was portrayed by Linda Hamilton. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #40
I first read about this accident christx30 Jul 2015 #10
It is ironic that someone with her name posted about a robot killing someone davidpdx Jul 2015 #12
Lord. romanic Jul 2015 #24
I just followed her Reter Jul 2015 #45
They future is not set. christx30 Jul 2015 #46
Those are the exact words that came to mind.... louis-t Jul 2015 #38
Are they rising up? Cleita Jul 2015 #3
His ex isn't a programer? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #4
A violation of Asimov's first rule of robotics: TexasTowelie Jul 2015 #5
Exactly… dhill926 Jul 2015 #8
Ah, the rules of robotics, thinly veiled Asimov's rules for humans The Second Stone Jul 2015 #11
Of course, injure has wide interpretation and the robots will have to have to determine traditional 24601 Jul 2015 #47
That is a terrible way to go. The poor guy. Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #6
I know. kentauros Jul 2015 #19
Where's Trump on this? DrToast Jul 2015 #7
Exactly! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #42
The robot was just protecting its job. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2015 #9
Or at least that's what his lawyer will say davidpdx Jul 2015 #13
Was it premeditated? ... Hmmm, I wonder. Kip Humphrey Jul 2015 #14
"normally operates within a confined area at the plant" - probably a loner, anti- Kip Humphrey Jul 2015 #15
The death is real, even if it was ironic. Poor guy. n/t Little Tich Jul 2015 #16
Calm down. This was a lone-wolf attack and does not represent the values of the robot-community. DetlefK Jul 2015 #17
The robot community should publicly apologize! Helen Borg Jul 2015 #18
It was only a matter of time before they started taking us out. liberal N proud Jul 2015 #20
It's really amazing to see how fast these things can operate Roland99 Jul 2015 #21
a good robot with a gun could have prevented this. uncle ray Jul 2015 #22
Protect Your Self naijareader Jul 2015 #23
What do you suggest, a can opener? But not an electric one, right? marble falls Jul 2015 #25
a worker was killed, people HFRN Jul 2015 #26
It's called gallows humor. Joking is a way of dealing with the tragedy. yellowcanine Jul 2015 #31
"a worker was killed, people" EX500rider Jul 2015 #41
what a way to go. don't they have rules to cut power when they work on those machines? Sunlei Jul 2015 #27
Has The Robot Been Caught? Herman4747 Jul 2015 #29
It has to be said, "Robots don't kill people, people controlling robots kill people." yellowcanine Jul 2015 #30
Sad. He was only 22 PersonNumber503602 Jul 2015 #32
Sad. He was only 22 PersonNumber503602 Jul 2015 #32
Factories are generally much safer than they were some decades ago JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2015 #34
OSHA's Fatality and Catastrophe Investigation Summaries mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2015 #37
Forgot the First Law of Robotics, did it? Seriously, I'm sorry to hear about this worker's death. Hekate Jul 2015 #43
Jalopnik: The Way We're Reacting To The VW Worker Killed By A Robot Is Wrong mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2015 #44

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
28. never know how soon that will happen with the way police 'toys' have become more powerful
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:09 AM
Jul 2015

police make enough trouble, when one of their attack dogs gets loose from their car.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
40. I believe it was Sarah Jeanette Connor. She was portrayed by Linda Hamilton.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:46 PM
Jul 2015

Otherwise, you are correct.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
10. I first read about this accident
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:41 AM
Jul 2015

on a tweet from someone named Sarah O'Connor.
She's now regretting posting it. Not comfortable with her sudden Internet fame.

http://imgur.com/gallery/23dkqvy

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
12. It is ironic that someone with her name posted about a robot killing someone
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:28 AM
Jul 2015

I hope people leave her alone.

TexasTowelie

(112,197 posts)
5. A violation of Asimov's first rule of robotics:
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:26 AM
Jul 2015

A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
11. Ah, the rules of robotics, thinly veiled Asimov's rules for humans
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:42 AM
Jul 2015

I think we should take them to heart.

24601

(3,962 posts)
47. Of course, injure has wide interpretation and the robots will have to have to determine traditional
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:10 PM
Jul 2015

injury is just discipline for our own good. "Real" injury inevitably comes through our exercise of free will.

They will have to do something about that....

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
19. I know.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:27 AM
Jul 2015

I feel the same way when we read of someone getting killed in a food processing plant, or any other factory/industrial setting. And all of these accidents can be easily prevented:

Electrical lockout until repairs/upgrades are completed.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
9. The robot was just protecting its job.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:39 AM
Jul 2015

This was a defensive move, not deliberate murder. Not yet, at least.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
15. "normally operates within a confined area at the plant" - probably a loner, anti-
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:05 AM
Jul 2015

social, perhaps. Poor working conditions could lead to stress combined with anti-social proclivities. Working in confined spaces for prolonged periods can bring on severe claustrophobia which, if left untreated, could bring on a bout of homicidal madness.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
17. Calm down. This was a lone-wolf attack and does not represent the values of the robot-community.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 04:49 AM
Jul 2015

EDIT: I blame the violent robot-culture, like the "Terminator"-movies.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
21. It's really amazing to see how fast these things can operate
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:02 AM
Jul 2015

Worked alongside a GE Fanuc for over a year on a project. Easy to see how someone could be seriously injured and even killed.

Some safety procedure/lockout was likely not followed properly.

naijareader

(2 posts)
23. Protect Your Self
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:22 AM
Jul 2015

To survive this kind of situation you have to some precaution so that you can be safe in this kind of attack. I read this type of attacks in Nigerian news headlines.

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
26. a worker was killed, people
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:00 AM
Jul 2015

you really think that's funny, when a person is killed on their job?

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
31. It's called gallows humor. Joking is a way of dealing with the tragedy.
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:08 AM
Jul 2015

Basically we joke to deal with our fear of the prospect of robots killing people. It is a healthy thing. Seriously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallows_humor

Sigmund Freud in his 1927 essay Humour (Der Humor) puts forth the following theory of the gallows humor: "The ego refuses to be distressed by the provocations of reality, to let itself be compelled to suffer. It insists that it cannot be affected by the traumas of the external world; it shows, in fact, that such traumas are no more than occasions for it to gain pleasure." Some other sociologists elaborated this concept further. At the same time, Paul Lewis warns that this "relieving" aspect of gallows jokes depends on the context of the joke: whether the joke is being told by the threatened person themselves or by someone else.[4]

Gallows humor has the social effect of strengthening the morale of the oppressed and undermines the morale of the oppressors.[5][6] According to Wylie Sypher, "to be able to laugh at evil and error means we have surmounted them."[7]

Gallows humor is a natural human instinct and examples of it can be found in stories from antiquity. Its use was widespread in middle Europe, from where it was imported to the United States as part of Jewish humor.[3] It is rendered with the German expression Galgenhumor. The concept of gallows humor is comparable to the French expression rire jaune,[8][9][10] which also has a Germanic equivalent in the Belgian Dutch expression groen lachen (lit. green laughing).[11][12][13][14]

Italian comedian Daniele Luttazzi discussed gallows humour focusing on the particular type of laughter that it arouses (risata verde or groen lachen), and said that grotesque satire, as opposed to ironic satire, is the one that most often arouses this kind of laughter.[15][16][17] In the Weimar era Kabaretts, this genre was particularly common, and according to Luttazzi, Karl Valentin and Karl Kraus were the major masters of it.[17]

EX500rider

(10,848 posts)
41. "a worker was killed, people"
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jul 2015

Actually 150,000 people die every day, only 100,000 of those from natural causes.....so 50,000 people die everyday in accidents, wars, etc...

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
27. what a way to go. don't they have rules to cut power when they work on those machines?
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:04 AM
Jul 2015

Same 'human (management) error' when they cooked a worker along with the tuna fish.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
30. It has to be said, "Robots don't kill people, people controlling robots kill people."
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:00 AM
Jul 2015
He said initial conclusions indicate that human error was to blame, rather than a problem with the robot, which can be programmed to perform various tasks in the assembly process.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
32. Sad. He was only 22
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:23 AM
Jul 2015

I wonder if the human error was on his part, or if someone else did something wrong that caused this happen.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
32. Sad. He was only 22
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:23 AM
Jul 2015

I wonder if the human error was on his part, or if someone else did something wrong that caused this happen.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
34. Factories are generally much safer than they were some decades ago
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 09:40 AM
Jul 2015

Still, accidents happen, mistakes are made, and hopefully, lessons are learned.

Condolences to his family, and his colleagues at the VW plant.

Solidarity Forever.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,446 posts)
37. OSHA's Fatality and Catastrophe Investigation Summaries
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jul 2015
Fatality and Catastrophe Investigation Summaries

Try using the word "robot" in the description box and check "Fatality Only."

To no surprise, the OSHA standards commonly cited will be in Section 1910.147, The control of hazardous energy (lockout/tagout).

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,446 posts)
44. Jalopnik: The Way We're Reacting To The VW Worker Killed By A Robot Is Wrong
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:43 PM
Jul 2015
The Way We're Reacting To The VW Worker Killed By A Robot Is Wrong

Jason Torchinsky
7/02/15 3:30pm

....
If this story had the headline “VW Worker Killed In Industrial Accident,” no one would have put this on a Facebook wall or anything. But as soon as the word “robot” entered the story, we’re all ascribing motives and intent and attitudes and emotion to this machine. Even intelligent articles that explore the reality of these sorts of accidents can’t help but to buy into the “killer robot” idea.

Even this article in time describes the robot more like some wild beast that’s been barely trained to build cars than a precision piece of electronics and hydraulics:

Though the company uses some lightweight robots to work on the production line next to humans, a spokesperson told the Financial Times that this was not one of those robots. The type of robot that crushed the employee is usually kept in a cage. The man was working on the robot inside the cage when he was grabbed.

Look at that paragraph: this was not a lightweight robot that works next to humans — it was a big brute that normally has to be kept in a cage. If you’re not picturing a huge, gleaming steel gorilla right now, then you’re a better person than me.
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