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flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 01:45 PM Jul 2015

Debbie Wasserman Schultz breaks with Obama on Cuba

Source: Politico

Florida Democrat Debbie Wasserman Schultz thinks President Barack Obama should slow down with Cuba before continuing to reopen relations between the two countries.

“My view is different from President Obama’s,” the DNC chairwoman said in an interview with The Daily Signal published Thursday. “I believe a relationship with the United States should be earned … perhaps we should make sure that some of these human rights concessions are secured prior to moving forward.”

Obama announced last week that both countries will re-open embassies in their respective capitals after more than 50 years.

Wasserman Schultz said she hoped the administration could use its position to benefit the country.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/debbie-wasserman-schultz-cuba-stance-119903.html?ml=tl_3_b



Wasserman Schultz has got to wake up, smell the cafe and get out of the well funded bed she shares with right wing Cubans such as Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Mario Diaz-Balart, Marco Rubio... Jeb Bush (who says he's Latino, lol).
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Debbie Wasserman Schultz breaks with Obama on Cuba (Original Post) flamingdem Jul 2015 OP
Florida Democrat does something stupid. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #1
You've got a new meme there flamingdem Jul 2015 #3
Florida Democrat used to be a Republican. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #7
Ths Demcrat would prefer she stayed a Gop idiot dbackjon Jul 2015 #56
Florida Democrat refuses to endorse Democrats. bvar22 Jul 2015 #61
Who wants to bet Mnpaul Jul 2015 #82
Garcia ended up winning his seat flamingdem Jul 2015 #87
Slow down? Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #2
Oy vey is right flamingdem Jul 2015 #8
DINO Debbie speaks. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #4
Facepalm 47of74 Jul 2015 #5
frankly, I am sick of both of them right now. roguevalley Jul 2015 #63
The Pres will win on this and it will help Cuba and Dems. I love Obama's stance Cha Jul 2015 #85
Her constituency doesn't like Cubans. Beauregard Jul 2015 #6
Cubans are further south. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #10
Her district is 28% Hispanic. Beauregard Jul 2015 #16
Hispanic not same as Cuban. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #24
Most Hispanics throughout Florida are Cubans. Beauregard Jul 2015 #32
Wrong. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #34
Puerto Rican is the dominate Hispanic population in Florida. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #36
PR and Cuban pretty close. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #46
+1 TheNutcracker Jul 2015 #53
The African american vote alone could defeat her if they got there ass out and vote bigdarryl Jul 2015 #29
No Cubans in her district? How do you know this? Beauregard Jul 2015 #33
You couldn't be more wrong. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #35
OK, let's put it this way: Beauregard Jul 2015 #41
<facepalm> HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author onenote Jul 2015 #65
She was interviewed a time ago and even she said there wasn't a large Community of Cuban's bigdarryl Jul 2015 #57
Why would care about her constituency? salib Jul 2015 #59
I'm still waiting on Schultz to resign, but it appears she's an idiot. Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #9
They think it's their job to pander to displaced nationalists longing to return home.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #23
ha! Good point flamingdem Jul 2015 #74
Well then it's a good thing that you have Liberalagogo Jul 2015 #11
well heaven05 Jul 2015 #12
IMO Wasserman-Schultz has not been a Democrat for quite a while. IMO. djean111 Jul 2015 #13
Somebody should tell the Democratic National Committee then (oops, she's the Chair)... PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #25
I live in Florida. You really think I don't KNOW THAT? Ooops indeed. djean111 Jul 2015 #31
Right, I was managing a congressional campaign in 2006 when Debbie endorsed the repuke. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #37
She's a Democrat. Beauregard Jul 2015 #42
No, she is a corporate DINO. I will be voting accordingly. And you can know that. djean111 Jul 2015 #45
Then why did her district elect her, and why didn't someone challenge her. Florida is not even still_one Jul 2015 #80
She's a DINO for sure. lark Jul 2015 #14
Well well,we are finally seeing the internal workings of our Wellstone ruled Jul 2015 #15
I think we need Howard Dean to replace her. Rocky888 Jul 2015 #17
Not going to happen until Obama's term is finished bigdarryl Jul 2015 #27
She should have no place in Democratic leadership. Paladin Jul 2015 #18
I've suspected it all along mountain grammy Jul 2015 #19
Easy for her to say she doesn't have a large voting block of Cubans in her district bigdarryl Jul 2015 #20
She's running for re-election her opinion doesn't matter. craigmatic Jul 2015 #21
Debbie Waterboy trying to slow progess? Shocking!! frylock Jul 2015 #22
Translation cosmicone Jul 2015 #26
Didn't she used to be in politics? NT bemildred Jul 2015 #28
She still is. Beauregard Jul 2015 #43
Sounds like a losing game, eh? nt bemildred Jul 2015 #44
Well, at least she said "different from." malthaussen Jul 2015 #30
Slow down,,,,,WTF Historic NY Jul 2015 #38
It's that old addiction to Cuban American campaign dollars and.. flamingdem Jul 2015 #68
DINO CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #39
OMG - There's NFFS SmittynMo Jul 2015 #40
Can Obama push to replace her as head of the DNC? Qutzupalotl Jul 2015 #47
The president appoints the DNC head. former9thward Jul 2015 #72
What the fuck was Obama thinking supporting this piece of garbage to head the DNC? Daniel537 Jul 2015 #48
Geez Debbie DonCoquixote Jul 2015 #49
Shocking. Truly. Arkana Jul 2015 #51
Nothing little debby does with the right wingers is shocking. D.I.N.O. TheNutcracker Jul 2015 #52
This is why I am still registered Green. roody Jul 2015 #54
How the F*** is this person still DNC chairperson? fbc Jul 2015 #55
Obama picked her bigdarryl Jul 2015 #58
she has faithfully carried water for obama since getting her post dembotoz Jul 2015 #60
True. But this was her chance to moderate her views on Cuba and support Obama flamingdem Jul 2015 #62
Luis Gutiérrez is another one in the pocketbook of Ros-Lehtinen and Díaz-Balart Daniel537 Jul 2015 #71
Not him! Wow, the Cuba issue is a good dem issue that can ruin Jeb in Florida flamingdem Jul 2015 #75
Ahh the return of "Debbie Dubya" aceofblades Jul 2015 #64
Are there any prominent elected Democrats in FL fully endorsing the President's approach to Cuba? onenote Jul 2015 #66
They want that dough, all of em flamingdem Jul 2015 #67
Kathy Castor and Corrine Brown are the only ones fully backing the President on this. Daniel537 Jul 2015 #70
Grayson probably doesn't get the Cuba issue or he's being promised big bucks flamingdem Jul 2015 #73
I think Castor would make a very fine governor. nt djean111 Jul 2015 #77
Fingers crossed nt flamingdem Jul 2015 #79
She's a gem. nt HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #81
DWS is an idiot. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #69
Yes because the Cuba issue can paint Jeb into a corner flamingdem Jul 2015 #76
The question is what do the folks in her district want her to do? I don't know. Personally, I still_one Jul 2015 #78
I support the move to normalize relations with Cuba Babel_17 Jul 2015 #83
I think President Obama knows what he's doing.. sorry, Debbi.. The time to normalize relationships Cha Jul 2015 #84
Go away Debbie. LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #86
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. Florida Democrat used to be a Republican.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jul 2015

Florida Democrat also used to be Republican.

Florida Democrat violates ethics rules with Cayman Island hedge funds.

Florida Democrat leads national party to profound ass-whupping in mid-term elections

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
61. Florida Democrat refuses to endorse Democrats.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jul 2015

In 2008 Debbie Wasserman Schultz refused to endorse these 3 Democrats
who had won their Primaries and had a chance to win Republican seats:

Miami-Dade Democratic Party Chair Joe Garcia

Former Hialeah Democratic Mayor Raul Martinez

Democratic businesswoman Annette Taddeo

All three had won their local Democratic Primaries, and were challenging Hard Core Republican incumbents with whom Wasserman-Schultz had become cozy.
Not only did the head of the DCCC Red to Blue Program REFUSE to endorse these Democratic challengers,
but she appeared in person at at least one (possibly more) Campaign/Fundraiser for their Republican opponents.




FL-18, FL-21, FL-25: Wasserman Schultz Wants Dem Challengers to Lose
by: James L.
Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 7:15 PM EDT
<snip>

Sensing a shift in the political climate of the traditionally solid-GOP turf of the Miami area, Democrats have lined up three strong challengers -- Miami-Dade Democratic Party chair Joe Garcia, former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez, and businesswoman Annette Taddeo to take on Reps. Mario Diaz-Balart, Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, respectively.

While there is an enormous sense of excitement and optimism surrounding these candidacies, some Democratic lawmakers, including Florida Reps. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Kendrick Meek, are all too eager to kneecap these Democratic challengers right out of the starting gate in the spirit of "comity" and "bipartisan cooperation" with their Republican colleagues:

But as three Miami Democrats look to unseat three of her South Florida Republican colleagues, Wasserman Schultz is staying on the sidelines. So is Rep. Kendrick Meek, a Miami Democrat and loyal ally to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

This time around, Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their relationships with the Republican incumbents, Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother Mario, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, leave them little choice but to sit out the three races.

"At the end of the day, we need a member who isn't going to pull any punches, who isn't going to be hesitant," Wasserman Schultz said.

Now, you'd expect this kind of bullshit from a backbencher like Alcee Hastings, but you wouldn't expect this kind of behavior from the co-chair of the DCCC's Red to Blue program, which is the position that Wasserman Schultz currently holds. Apparently, Debbie did not get Rahm's memo about doing whatever it takes to win:

The national party, enthusiastic about the three Democratic challengers, has not yet selected Red to Blue participants. But Wasserman Schultz has already told the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee that if any of the three make the cut, another Democrat should be assigned to the race.

http://www.swingstateproject.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1537










The bloggers also are furious with Rep. Kendrick B. Meek (D-Fla.), who similarly refuses to endorse the Democratic challengers to the three Cuban American Republicans.

They are calling for Wasserman Schultz to step down from her leadership role at the DCCC. And they're not letting up, even after one Florida liberal blogger reported that the congresswoman seemed "frustrated" by the blogs and had asked to "please help get them off my back."

This prompted even harsher reaction from perhaps the most influential of the progressive political bloggers, Markos Moulitsas, a.k.a. Kos, founder of Daily Kos, who wrote on his blog Wednesday: "On so many fronts, the Republicans are standing in the way of progress, on Iraq, SCHIP, health care, fiscal responsibility, corruption, civil liberties, and so on. Those three south Florida Republicans are part of that problem. And she's (Wasserman-Schultz) going to be 'frustrated' that people demand she do her job?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/19/AR2008031903410_3.html


Here are Kos comments on the Wasserman-Schultz betrayal of the Democratic Party:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/03/20/480511/-DCCC-Says-Uproar-Over-DWS-Recusal-Much-Ado-About-Nothing




A lot of time has passed since 2008, but I don't take these kinds of betrayals lightly.

bvar22
Cursed with a memory

"I want to thank Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for being an outstanding chair of our party. (Applause.) She is a great partner."--President Obama


With "partners" like this, we don't need Republicans!

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
87. Garcia ended up winning his seat
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:44 PM
Jul 2015

>>A lot of time has passed since 2008, but I don't take these kinds of betrayals lightly.

Agree, this was major, major and shouldn't be forgotten.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
10. Cubans are further south.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jul 2015

I don't think her district is heavily Cuban-American. She's probably doing it in support of her GOP friends, Balart and Ross-Illien.

 

Beauregard

(376 posts)
16. Her district is 28% Hispanic.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:04 PM
Jul 2015

Florida 20th District Profile Race and ethnicity

District

U.S.

White 57.6%

65.9%
Black 9.8%

12.1%
Hispanic 27.8%

15.1%
Asian 2.8%

4.3%
Native American 0.2%

0.7%

http://elections.nytimes.com/2010/house/florida/20

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
24. Hispanic not same as Cuban.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:19 PM
Jul 2015

Non-Cuban Hispanics support ending the embargo, vote solidly Democratic. Cubans are more difficult to determine. 1st generation immigrants are highly anti-Castro and vote solidly republican. Each generation removed from immigration votes increasingly Democratic and is less anti-Castro. 3Rd/4th generation Cuban-Americans hold political views like most non-Cuban Hispanics. DWS's district is not heavily Cuban-American, and the %Hispanic demographic is not unlike Tampa, Orlando, and the other large cities. She could have easily supported Obama with little voter backlash...she's supporting her GOP friends.

 

Beauregard

(376 posts)
32. Most Hispanics throughout Florida are Cubans.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:33 PM
Jul 2015

The stats don't break it down as to what kind of Hispanics live in her district. The point is that her main constituency consists of transplanted white New Yorkers, mostly Jews, who do not want more Hispanics in their neighborhood.

These facts remain, and you have not refuted them.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
34. Wrong.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jul 2015

Most Hispanics in Miami-Dade are Cuban, that's to the south of DWS district. Overall in Florida, Cubans are only a plurality. Many from Colombia, PR,Dominican Republic, Central America...all over. Even Spain. Cuban Americans have different voting patterns than other Hispanics.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
46. PR and Cuban pretty close.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jul 2015

Cubans are 5% of population, all Hispanics are 22.5% of population. IDK % of PR, but if same as Cuban then combined they're still less than half of all Hispanics. Unless peep live here, they unaware of all the Colombians, Dominicans, Mexicans, Nicaraguans, and more that live here. My current and ex gfs are Colombian. I have close friends from Panama, Chile, Venezuela, PR, and Spain.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
29. The African american vote alone could defeat her if they got there ass out and vote
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:30 PM
Jul 2015

And someone would challenge her. I'm not sure she's ever been challenged .As you see the break down she has no Cubans in her district that's why she can go on a rant about Cuba

 

Beauregard

(376 posts)
33. No Cubans in her district? How do you know this?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:35 PM
Jul 2015

There is nothing in the NYT source I quoted that even mentions "Cubans." But the district is 28% Hispanic, which, in Florida, means mostly Cuban.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
35. You couldn't be more wrong.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:45 PM
Jul 2015

There's more non-Cuban Hispanics in Florida than Cuban Hispanics. Florida is the gateway to the Carribean. Cuba is only one small country in Carribean. We have Hispanics from all over, including Spain.

 

Beauregard

(376 posts)
41. OK, let's put it this way:
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:06 PM
Jul 2015

Debbie's constituents, who are mainly retired white people from New York, do not want more Hispanics in the 23rd district, which is currently 28% Hispanic. Cubans are Hispanics. Therefore, her constituents do not want more Cubans in her district.

Any other quibbles?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
50. <facepalm>
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jul 2015

It appears you've never even visited Florida, outside of Disney World. I've lived here for 50 years.

Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #50)

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
57. She was interviewed a time ago and even she said there wasn't a large Community of Cuban's
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jul 2015

In her district

salib

(2,116 posts)
59. Why would care about her constituency?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jul 2015

This is a plutocracy. All she needs is her third way support.

 

Man of Distinction

(109 posts)
9. I'm still waiting on Schultz to resign, but it appears she's an idiot.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jul 2015

Who needs Democrats when you got Republicans for friends?

Shame on W-S.

Idiot of the same degree as McAuliffe when he was running the DNC before Dean saved it, and was turned over to W-S who proceeded to act like McAuliffe.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
23. They think it's their job to pander to displaced nationalists longing to return home....
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:18 PM
Jul 2015

....that aren't Palestinian.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
74. ha! Good point
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jul 2015

Their other favorite issue is Israel of course. Ileana is all over that one supporting Debbie.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
12. well
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:02 PM
Jul 2015

DWB, since the election has been quiet in her loyalty and backing toward our present Democratic POTUS. May we get this true DINO out of a position of power in the Democratic Party 'elite' establishment and get someone in that will benefit, us, the powerless of the Democratic Party. Too bad she can't come up for an up or down vote.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
25. Somebody should tell the Democratic National Committee then (oops, she's the Chair)...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:20 PM
Jul 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee

"The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is the principal organization governing the United States Democratic Party on a day-to-day basis."

http://www.democrats.org/person/debbie-wasserman-schultz
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
31. I live in Florida. You really think I don't KNOW THAT? Ooops indeed.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:32 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24478039.html

Democrats torn between party, GOP friends

But as three Miami Democrats look to unseat three of her South Florida Republican colleagues, Wasserman Schultz is staying on the sidelines. So is Rep. Kendrick Meek, a Miami Democrat and loyal ally to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
........
This time around, Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their relationships with the Republican incumbents, Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother Mario, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, leave them little choice but to sit out the three races.

......
But Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their ties to the three Republicans are personal as well as professional: Both served in the state Legislature with Mario Diaz-Balart and say they work in concert with all three on South Florida issues.

Wasserman Schultz has also played a leading role in persuading the new Democratic majority to sustain the economic embargo against Cuba and has established close ties to the staunchly pro-embargo U.S.-Cuba Democracy political action committee, which has contributed thousands to Wasserman Schultz and Meek's campaigns.


I don't actually consider any of the New Democrat Coalition to be real Democrats, and will be voting accordingly. Here in Florida. Where I do keep up.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
37. Right, I was managing a congressional campaign in 2006 when Debbie endorsed the repuke.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jul 2015

John Russell vs Ginnie Brown-Waite.

She said Ginny was her good friend, and had a spine and nerves of steel.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
45. No, she is a corporate DINO. I will be voting accordingly. And you can know that.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jul 2015

Or - maybe the Democratic Party has slid so far to the right that I am not a Democrat any more. There's that. But my days of voting blindly are over.

still_one

(92,217 posts)
80. Then why did her district elect her, and why didn't someone challenge her. Florida is not even
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:35 PM
Jul 2015

to being a blue state anymore. At the minimum it is purple. It is referred to as a swing state, but with Scott winning another term, I am not so sure, I am not sure about that.

New Jersey for example is a solid Blue state, however, not only did Christie win, but so-called Democrats endorsed him.

Something doesn't sync

Howard Dean pushed his 50 state strategy, and it could be argued it was that strategy that gave us victory in 2008, but the problem with that strategy is that it accept different parts of the country have different views. Some more left, some more right, and some middle of the road

Is there a minimum set of principles that we should not compromise on as a party, and I would personally say yes



 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
15. Well well,we are finally seeing the internal workings of our
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jul 2015

so called Democratic Party. Mr.Obama best watch his back with this Dino and the likes of a Chuckie Schumer,running the Democratic Party. Just got to love how smug and conceited Politicians pull their own rugs out from under themselves. DWS and other third wayers,cost us the Senate and the House. But,what the hay,they got the money. Notice how team Sanders is all over the Stupid's lately. So much for those so called well oiled campaigns,Bernies team really pays attention to watch is happening both in the press and on the Internets.

Rocky888

(297 posts)
17. I think we need Howard Dean to replace her.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:04 PM
Jul 2015

She is a threat to our party. I cannot think of one thing she has done to deserve the title of chairwoman, unless the word republican precedes chairwoman.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
20. Easy for her to say she doesn't have a large voting block of Cubans in her district
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:06 PM
Jul 2015

Nice going Obama your own pick for DNC Chair person turns on you.I wish a real progressive would run against ass

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
26. Translation
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jul 2015

I'll keep kissing Miami Bautista Cuban ass in the hopes that a hundred years from now, some of them might vote democratic.

 

Beauregard

(376 posts)
43. She still is.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:10 PM
Jul 2015

That's why she is carrying out the will of her constituents--mainly white retired people from NYC.

Historic NY

(37,450 posts)
38. Slow down,,,,,WTF
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:55 PM
Jul 2015

we have normalized relations with China a communist country, Russia the fmr Soviet Union bloc and Vietnam our former communist foe. Since Feb 3, 1962 we haven't had normal relations with Cuba which sits 90 miles from our shores.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
68. It's that old addiction to Cuban American campaign dollars and..
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:44 PM
Jul 2015

.. some of that is recycled US taxpayer money via USAID and the like. Yuk.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
48. What the fuck was Obama thinking supporting this piece of garbage to head the DNC?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:15 PM
Jul 2015

How can he call on congress to end the embargo on Cuba when the chair of his own Party opposes it? Rubio gets rightfully mocked yesterday for his crazy views on Cuba, then the DNC chair steps up the next day to support him? Insanity. Wasserman Schultz has always been in the gusano camp from day one. Good luck working with congress on this, Mr. President.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
49. Geez Debbie
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:16 PM
Jul 2015

If Karl Rove had tried to have someone infiltrate the party and ruin it from within, they could not have found a better person than you. What is said is that you are not some robot programmed by the GOP, no, you are just one more example of the Blue Dog Democrats that will simply get fed by denying the rest of the Democrats any access to the food, then expect us to laud you for letting us get a crumb, treating that crumb is if it was a seven course meal. I may hate the GOP, but at least there are some in there that, however stupid and evil they are, really think they are acting on principles, you, however, are willing to ride the waves when Obama does something popular (usually over the objections of your fellow Blue Dogs) and try to take some, if not all of the credit. What when he does something that actually most of us in the NATION want (as opposed to what your "friends" in Little Havana want) then you kneecap and backstab. Of course, this might be forgiven if you were actually competent at your job, but you have lost two national mid terms and a gubernatorial race, all because you tried to make damned sure whoever was allowed to run was someone that would not upset your wallet.

Hey Hillary, I know this girl acts like your friend, but you need to make sure this woman;s days are numbered. Yeah Obama can do it, but according to articles like this:

http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/23/debbie-wasserman-schultz-sexist-semitic-obama/

She knew she could play the race and sex card, and would do it shamelessly. Let her try that with you. Of course, part of the reason I plan to vote for Bernie in the primary is because I know you will not dare swat at Debbie, lest YOU get tarred with that same strategy. The sexist part would not stick, but she would make damned sure a lot of your donors might take their money elsewhere, especially since many of them only like you because you are the best hope of "obliterating Iran."

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
51. Shocking. Truly.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:19 PM
Jul 2015

The embargo needs to end. The Soviet Union is gone and Cuba is a shadow of its former self. You want to kill communism in that country? Give them a good dose of American capitalism.

And as for human rights violations, don't fucking make me laugh. Half the nations in the Middle East we call "allies" are bigger human rights abusers.

dembotoz

(16,808 posts)
60. she has faithfully carried water for obama since getting her post
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:08 PM
Jul 2015

there are plenty of dems who have been way less loyal to obama than she

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
62. True. But this was her chance to moderate her views on Cuba and support Obama
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jul 2015

in spite of her alliances with the right wing Cuban Americans.

She could have worded it in such a way that she solved this dilemma but chose to stick with her pals.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
71. Luis Gutiérrez is another one in the pocketbook of Ros-Lehtinen and Díaz-Balart
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 07:36 PM
Jul 2015

These alliances are just too profitable to break. The President should shame these assholes as the obstructionists they are.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
75. Not him! Wow, the Cuba issue is a good dem issue that can ruin Jeb in Florida
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:10 PM
Jul 2015

since most Florida Latinos (not Cubans) are very very liberal on the Cuban issue.

In fact that's the main reason Obama went for it - according to a panel I saw at FIU

onenote

(42,714 posts)
66. Are there any prominent elected Democrats in FL fully endorsing the President's approach to Cuba?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:17 PM
Jul 2015

Alan Grayson, who most here wouldn't call a DINO, is another elected Democrat in Florida who has suggested the President is moving too fast (I disagree, by the way, but I I'm not surprised that elected pols in Florida would be more cautious).

https://www.google.com/search?q=grayson+cuba&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&gws_rd=ssl

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
67. They want that dough, all of em
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:43 PM
Jul 2015

But in Greyson's case it really reads as total bs because he's not middle of the road.

That was an error for his brand but a plus for his pocketbook.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
70. Kathy Castor and Corrine Brown are the only ones fully backing the President on this.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 07:31 PM
Jul 2015

David Jolly, a GOPer from Clearwater, and Bill Nelson support some easing of sanctions, but they're not quite with Obama. DWS will never back down from her thuggish view on Cuba, but Alan Grayson, he's not going to get my vote if he doesn't rectify on this issue.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
73. Grayson probably doesn't get the Cuba issue or he's being promised big bucks
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:05 PM
Jul 2015

The only other possible reason is stupidity and I think he's pretty smart, though not so shrewd. Times have changed even the right wing friends of Jeb are paving a path for him to soften on Cuba.

There was an editorial in the Herald to this end lately.

Castor is great, kudos to her she deserves the fruits of her bravery and smarts.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
76. Yes because the Cuba issue can paint Jeb into a corner
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:11 PM
Jul 2015

in Florida where most Latinos are very, very liberal on the issue and others know they can make $$

still_one

(92,217 posts)
78. The question is what do the folks in her district want her to do? I don't know. Personally, I
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:23 PM
Jul 2015

think it is way past due that we have relations with Cuba. We have relations with China and Russia, it makes no sense not to include Cuba

Should an elected person do what people in her district want her to do, or should that person instead do what they think is best?

We are a representative form of government, and people have expectations what their elected officials will do

I would think the views in Florida would not be the same as the rest of the country on this. It would be interesting for folks in Florida to weigh in on this,, especially in the people she represents

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
83. I support the move to normalize relations with Cuba
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jul 2015

Cuban lives will immediately benefit and it will create jobs for us. If some people need to be reassured, I'm sure the administration can help Wasserman Schultz with that.

Cha

(297,297 posts)
84. I think President Obama knows what he's doing.. sorry, Debbi.. The time to normalize relationships
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 01:55 AM
Jul 2015

with Cuba is now.. not "slow down".

Mahalo flamingdem

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