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Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:15 PM Jul 2015

FBI says thwarted Islamic State-inspired attacks on July 4

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. authorities thwarted plots to kill people in the United States around the July 4 holiday, FBI Director James Comey said on Thursday.

Comey told reporters more than 10 people inspired by the Islamic State's recruitment online have been arrested over the past four weeks, some of which were focused on attacks around the July 4 holiday.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-says-arrested-10-july-4-plots-inspired-172336100.html

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FBI says thwarted Islamic State-inspired attacks on July 4 (Original Post) Peacetrain Jul 2015 OP
Uh-Huh! hobbit709 Jul 2015 #1
Sure they did Demeter Jul 2015 #2
So President Obama is lying to the American public? brooklynite Jul 2015 #3
Well, his lips were moving. Demeter Jul 2015 #5
somebody is. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #6
Other than previous experience? Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #15
Any proof he's not? frylock Jul 2015 #22
Yeah and waterboarding gave us so much valuable terrorist information Ratty Jul 2015 #11
"Comey did not give the details on the number of plots thwarted or their targets." chapdrum Jul 2015 #4
You then believe the FBI should make all details available LanternWaste Jul 2015 #21
Did they get the number two guy again? truebrit71 Jul 2015 #7
Comey "declined" to call dylaan roof heaven05 Jul 2015 #8
Uh-oh! Time to stock up! RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #9
Once the media talked up the idea of July 4 attacks I'm not surprised a few clowns tried something. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2015 #10
good for the FBI samsingh Jul 2015 #12
Thank goodness, I feel so much safer now. malthaussen Jul 2015 #13
I love it how some dismiss these types of things OKNancy Jul 2015 #14
Sure there are bad guys Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #16
"Comey has no reason to make anything up." Of course he does. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #17
it's not that there are no bad guys. It's that our gov't has lied and exaggerated so much... yurbud Jul 2015 #18
WOLF!!!!! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #23
Both men have an enormous anti-terror budget to justify and a weak domestic anti-terror record. Ford_Prefect Jul 2015 #19
Agreed TeddyR Jul 2015 #26
Now, give them swift death penalties after a speedy trial. n/t cosmicone Jul 2015 #20
I can't wait to read the charges against them that neverforget Jul 2015 #24
I know .. it doesn't fit the progressive way of thinking cosmicone Jul 2015 #25
So, we should kill people now Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #33
I can't even form a response to that neverforget Jul 2015 #34
You should have seen his/her support of a UAE execution JonLP24 Jul 2015 #37
oh ! CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #27
That's impossible. GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #28
Cool story bro, you're so brave........ Half-Century Man Jul 2015 #29
Last night I protected North Richland Hills... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #30
So did I - can't prove I didn't eom LiberalElite Jul 2015 #31
Why is this hard for some people to believe? Quantess Jul 2015 #32
Because it's the new American Exceptionalism. We're the most evil thing on the planet. USA USA USA! freshwest Jul 2015 #35
They sold this shit JonLP24 Jul 2015 #36

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
1. Uh-Huh!
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:18 PM
Jul 2015

Like that plot to blow up the Sears Tower from some clowns that couldn't even find Chicago on a map.

Ratty

(2,100 posts)
11. Yeah and waterboarding gave us so much valuable terrorist information
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:31 PM
Jul 2015

And the NSA massive data snarfing thwarted so many attacks that the world was made safe. Is it any wonder why we're cynical about these sorts of pronouncements while Congress is debating requiring encryption back doors? If we're ungrateful they have themselves to blame.

 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
4. "Comey did not give the details on the number of plots thwarted or their targets."
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jul 2015

Why would he bother with that?
Remain afraid - the One Percent is counting on you.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
21. You then believe the FBI should make all details available
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:46 PM
Jul 2015

"Why would he bother with that?"

You then believe the FBI should make all details available, including the methodology and protocols used in determining how, when, and why? Does that apply only to this particular, or all cases in general (that latter would certainly be a boon to the Dylan Roofs and Timothy McVeighs)?



Though I really doubt too many people are actually afraid... concerned probably, but not frighted (I can however, see that removing that particular bit of melodrama may not really assist your own creative production).

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
8. Comey "declined" to call dylaan roof
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:28 PM
Jul 2015

the terrorist he is, but now back to the Islamic terrorist threat. I just don't believe this bullshit anymore. I believe no one in charge of my security. I feel I'm just taking my chances anyway, like any person who has the unavoidable death sentence of birth on this planet.

malthaussen

(17,204 posts)
13. Thank goodness, I feel so much safer now.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:35 PM
Jul 2015

Alas, even if it were true, their credibility is so bad I'd look twice if they said the sky was blue.

-- Mal

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
14. I love it how some dismiss these types of things
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jul 2015

There are no bad guys out there. Heck they have never done anything, ever.

Whatever.

Comey has no reason to make anything up. He is secure in his job, and his boss, Obama is not running again.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
16. Sure there are bad guys
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:50 PM
Jul 2015

to find. White supremacist, anti-Obama terrorists have killed about 20 people in the last six years. The FBI just refuses to call them terrorists. Trouble is, somehow, they never prevent those guys from actually killing people, just the brown people. While they are out playing agent provocateur and creating fake Muslim plots, the real terrorists kill with impunity.

And don't even get me started on the terrorists with badges who kill people all the time.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
17. "Comey has no reason to make anything up." Of course he does.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jul 2015

He needs to justify the billions being spent on homeland security.

And he has to explain why the much-hyped 4th of July terror attacks never happened.

And he needs to keep us scared. For our own good, of course.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
18. it's not that there are no bad guys. It's that our gov't has lied and exaggerated so much...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:07 PM
Jul 2015

about this particular threat, that we have little reason to trust them.

Additionally, Obama and Comey are going to continue to do their jobs the same way they have been doing them until they leave office, just as the Bushies did, and as every president before did.

If they FBI really did stop something, I give those agents their props.

But their bosses in Washington make it harder for us to know when to be grateful.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
23. WOLF!!!!!
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jul 2015

This is what I was going to also point out.

There very well could have been some planned, potentially massively destructive attack in the works that was thwarted. But based on past transparently obvious entrapment operations, how are we to take them seriously anymore? I'm sure there are good, dedicated officers that must be grating their teeth at responses like ours, but they did it to themselves.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
19. Both men have an enormous anti-terror budget to justify and a weak domestic anti-terror record.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:12 PM
Jul 2015

That anyone would doubt the FBI's public statement seems obvious wisdom given their track record.

While there are certainly bad people out there and no doubt some who follow IS, the FBI record of defending against terror is abysmal. They seem to be most effective at arresting someone after the fact, along with helping illiterate neophyte terrorist wanna-bes get caught in embarrassingly transparent sting operations.

So far as anyone can tell the NSA, CIA, DOD and FBI still do not cooperate much more than they did prior to September 11, 2001. They still compete for funding for the same apparently overlapping security operation. They frequently one-up each other over jurisdiction and primacy. CIA, DOD and NSA have been outed over domestic surveillance operations that violate their charters and yet have not produced useful anti-terror information worthy of the time and money spent, not to mention man-hours of trained agents.

I'm not entirely sure they know what WE think they ought to be doing although they seem to be trying to listen to everything we say or email. I am certain they are not doing much that most people would consider useful or to the point.

I have no doubt that there are committed agents and law enforcement professionals who are genuinely engaged in what they believe to be anti-terror work. Some of what they do may actually defend us in the ways we have been lead to expect. But frankly the evidence is that the goals and actions of Senior management and contractors serving them have had much more to do with claiming budget tax dollars and agency turf than producing meaningful results.

Their own reports have said it: Their goals are mis-focused and their activities seem to put more energy into ducking blame than honest analysis and functional results.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
26. Agreed
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:27 PM
Jul 2015

It is pretty clear that ISIS would like to pull off an attack in the continental US. The US has been lucky in large part. Since 9/11 there have been many, many attacks against European countries or citizens -- the Charlie Hebdo attacks, Spain train bombings, Tunisia beach attack recently, etc. -- but we've largely been spared. And most of those attacks have been by citizens of the country in which they occurred. It would be naïve to think that there aren't like-minded would-be terrorists here in the US.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
25. I know .. it doesn't fit the progressive way of thinking
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:17 PM
Jul 2015

but in my corner of the liberal world, if one even sympathizes with ISIS, it is proven that one is not a human being worth living.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
37. You should have seen his/her support of a UAE execution
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 06:06 AM
Jul 2015

that was reported (by Reuters) the very same day as the Saudi cables (where is the media? I'm doing translations by myself and can find little interest just for 5% I have shared) leaks which UAE spends more than any country lobbying US media efforts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141130747

Flogging and stoning are legal punishments in the UAE. Many laws continue to discriminate against women. For example, Emirati women must receive permission from a "male guardian" to marry and remarry.[151] The requirement is derived from Sharia law, and has been federal law since 2005.[151] Some domestic workers in the UAE are victims of Sharia judicial punishments such as flogging and stoning.[116] The annual Freedom House report on Freedom in the World has listed the United Arab Emirates as "Not Free" every year since 1999 (the first year for which records are available on their website).[78]

UAE has escaped the Arab Spring; however, more than 100 Emirati activists were jailed and tortured because they sought reforms.[57][152][153] Since 2011, the UAE government has increasingly carried out forced disappearances.[154][155][156][157][158][159] Many foreign nationals and Emirati citizens have been arrested and abducted by the state, the UAE government denies these people are being held (to conceal their whereabouts), placing these people outside the protection of the law.[153][155][160] According to Human Rights Watch, the reports of forced disappearance and torture in the UAE are of grave concern.[156]

The Arab Organisation of Human Rights has obtained testimonies from many defendants, for its report on "Forced Disappearance and Torture in the UAE", who reported that they had been kidnapped, tortured and abused in detention centres.[155][160] The report included 16 different methods of torture including severe beatings, threats with electrocution and denying access to medical care.[155][160]

In 2013, 94 Emirati activists were held in secret detention centres and put on trial for allegedly attempting to overthrow the government.[161] Human rights organizations have spoken out against the secrecy of the trial. An Emirati, whose father is among the defendants, was arrested for tweeting about the trial. In April 2013, he was sentenced to 10 months in jail.[162] The latest forced disappearance involves three sisters from Abu Dhabi.[163][164]

Repressive measures were also used against non-Emiratis in order to justify the UAE government's claim that there is an "international plot" in which UAE citizens and foreigners were working together to destabilize the country.[160] Foreign nationals were also subjected to a campaign of deportations.[160] There are many documented cases of Egyptians and other foreign nationals who had spent years working in the UAE and were then given only a few days to leave the country.[160]

Foreign nationals subjected to forced disappearance include two Libyans[165] and two Qataris.[160][166] Amnesty reported that the Qatari men have been abducted by the UAE government and the UAE government has withheld information about the men's fate from their families.[160][166] Amongst the foreign nationals detained, imprisoned and expelled is Iyad El-Baghdadi, a popular blogger and Twitter personality.[160] He was arrested by UAE authorities, detained, imprisoned and then expelled from the country.[160] Despite his lifetime residence in the UAE, as a Palestinian citizen, El-Baghdadi had no recourse to contest this order.[160] He could not be deported back to the Palestinian territories, therefore he was deported to Malaysia.[160]

In 2007, the UAE government attempted to cover up information on the rape of a French teenage boy by three Emirati locals, one of whose HIV-positive status was hidden by Emirati authorities.[167] Diplomatic pressure led to the arrest and conviction of the Emirati rapists.[168]

In April 2009, a video tape of torture smuggled out of the UAE showed Sheikh Issa bin Zayed Al Nahyan torturing a man (Mohammed Shah Poor) with whips, electric cattle prods, wooden planks with protruding nails and running him over repeatedly with a car.[169] In December 2009, Issa appeared in court and proclaimed his innocence.[170] The trial ended on 10 January 2010, when Issa was cleared of the torture of Mohammed Shah Poor.[171] Human Rights Watch criticised the trial and called on the government to establish an independent body to investigate allegations of abuse by UAE security personnel and other persons of authority.[172] The US State Department has expressed concern over the verdict and said all members of Emirati society "must stand equal before the law" and called for a careful review of the decision to ensure that the demands of justice are fully met in this case.[173]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates

 

CTBlueboy

(154 posts)
27. oh !
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jul 2015
So when is the FBI going to find the people/person who's been burning down black churches
or when is the FBI going to arrest racists who are recruiting on forums

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
29. Cool story bro, you're so brave........
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jul 2015

Ya stopped 10 0f theirs from hurting us with your super secret powers in super secret ways. The aura of manliness you extrude is making me feel faint...................
Whatever.



Question, How many of us hurt each other in the last four weeks?
How many on or about the 4th of July?

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
32. Why is this hard for some people to believe?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 04:36 AM
Jul 2015

Islamists regularly attack other places in the world, so why wouldn't they want to carry out attacks in the US? Of course they would!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
35. Because it's the new American Exceptionalism. We're the most evil thing on the planet. USA USA USA!
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 03:46 AM
Jul 2015

Strange how that belief system comes up in all situations. No other country ever did anything bad, they're not capable of such stunning evil.

No, we're the experts, the rest of the world knows nothing. We're responsible for all that happened, even before this nation was a glint in the Founding Fathers' eyes.

Look at it that way, creatively and it all works out that we can still be superior! 'All things are possible for those who believe.'

in case it's needed...

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
36. They sold this shit
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 06:01 AM
Jul 2015

They were saying before "I wouldn't be surprised if there was an attack on July 4th".


Ex-CIA Official: ‘I Wouldn’t Be Surprised’ If There’s Terror Attack On US Over July 4 Weekend

WASHINGTON (CBSDC) — A former CIA official wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a terror attack against the United States over the Fourth of July weekend after the FBI and the Homeland Security Department issued a bulletin of potential attacks against law enforcement officers and the military over the holiday.

Michael Morell, former deputy director of the CIA, told “CBS This Morning” on Monday that there’s “nothing routine” about this bulletin from the feds.

“So these kinds of warnings go out routinely, but there’s nothing routine about this particular one to me. This one really resonates with me for two reaons,” the CBS News senior security contributor explained. “One is there’s been about 50 people in the last 12 months who’ve been arrested in the United States for being radicalized by ISIS — wanting to go fight there or wanting to conduct an attack here. So there’s a lot of people out there who are seeing themselves as aligned with ISIS. And number two, you have this ISIS call to arms during Ramadan. We are right in the middle of Ramada – call to arms, conduct attacks against our enemies. So I’m worried about this one.”

Morell continued, “I don’t want to tell Americans what to do or what not to do, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re sitting here a week from today talking about an attack over the weekend on the United States. That’s how serious this is.”

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/06/29/cia-official-terror-attack-isis/

They have "gone dark" because of encrypted data. I can't think of anyone who has "gone dark" more than Intelligence.

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