FBI says thwarted Islamic State-inspired attacks on July 4
Source: Reuters
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. authorities thwarted plots to kill people in the United States around the July 4 holiday, FBI Director James Comey said on Thursday.
Comey told reporters more than 10 people inspired by the Islamic State's recruitment online have been arrested over the past four weeks, some of which were focused on attacks around the July 4 holiday.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-says-arrested-10-july-4-plots-inspired-172336100.html
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Like that plot to blow up the Sears Tower from some clowns that couldn't even find Chicago on a map.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)How many of them were setups, Comey?
brooklynite
(94,596 posts)Any proof?
Demeter
(85,373 posts)And we aren't the ones who have to prove anything....
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Ratty
(2,100 posts)And the NSA massive data snarfing thwarted so many attacks that the world was made safe. Is it any wonder why we're cynical about these sorts of pronouncements while Congress is debating requiring encryption back doors? If we're ungrateful they have themselves to blame.
chapdrum
(930 posts)Why would he bother with that?
Remain afraid - the One Percent is counting on you.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Why would he bother with that?"
You then believe the FBI should make all details available, including the methodology and protocols used in determining how, when, and why? Does that apply only to this particular, or all cases in general (that latter would certainly be a boon to the Dylan Roofs and Timothy McVeighs)?
Though I really doubt too many people are actually afraid... concerned probably, but not frighted (I can however, see that removing that particular bit of melodrama may not really assist your own creative production).
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)the terrorist he is, but now back to the Islamic terrorist threat. I just don't believe this bullshit anymore. I believe no one in charge of my security. I feel I'm just taking my chances anyway, like any person who has the unavoidable death sentence of birth on this planet.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)"Orange alert! Orange alert!"
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,841 posts)samsingh
(17,599 posts)malthaussen
(17,204 posts)Alas, even if it were true, their credibility is so bad I'd look twice if they said the sky was blue.
-- Mal
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)There are no bad guys out there. Heck they have never done anything, ever.
Whatever.
Comey has no reason to make anything up. He is secure in his job, and his boss, Obama is not running again.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)to find. White supremacist, anti-Obama terrorists have killed about 20 people in the last six years. The FBI just refuses to call them terrorists. Trouble is, somehow, they never prevent those guys from actually killing people, just the brown people. While they are out playing agent provocateur and creating fake Muslim plots, the real terrorists kill with impunity.
And don't even get me started on the terrorists with badges who kill people all the time.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)He needs to justify the billions being spent on homeland security.
And he has to explain why the much-hyped 4th of July terror attacks never happened.
And he needs to keep us scared. For our own good, of course.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)about this particular threat, that we have little reason to trust them.
Additionally, Obama and Comey are going to continue to do their jobs the same way they have been doing them until they leave office, just as the Bushies did, and as every president before did.
If they FBI really did stop something, I give those agents their props.
But their bosses in Washington make it harder for us to know when to be grateful.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)This is what I was going to also point out.
There very well could have been some planned, potentially massively destructive attack in the works that was thwarted. But based on past transparently obvious entrapment operations, how are we to take them seriously anymore? I'm sure there are good, dedicated officers that must be grating their teeth at responses like ours, but they did it to themselves.
Ford_Prefect
(7,901 posts)That anyone would doubt the FBI's public statement seems obvious wisdom given their track record.
While there are certainly bad people out there and no doubt some who follow IS, the FBI record of defending against terror is abysmal. They seem to be most effective at arresting someone after the fact, along with helping illiterate neophyte terrorist wanna-bes get caught in embarrassingly transparent sting operations.
So far as anyone can tell the NSA, CIA, DOD and FBI still do not cooperate much more than they did prior to September 11, 2001. They still compete for funding for the same apparently overlapping security operation. They frequently one-up each other over jurisdiction and primacy. CIA, DOD and NSA have been outed over domestic surveillance operations that violate their charters and yet have not produced useful anti-terror information worthy of the time and money spent, not to mention man-hours of trained agents.
I'm not entirely sure they know what WE think they ought to be doing although they seem to be trying to listen to everything we say or email. I am certain they are not doing much that most people would consider useful or to the point.
I have no doubt that there are committed agents and law enforcement professionals who are genuinely engaged in what they believe to be anti-terror work. Some of what they do may actually defend us in the ways we have been lead to expect. But frankly the evidence is that the goals and actions of Senior management and contractors serving them have had much more to do with claiming budget tax dollars and agency turf than producing meaningful results.
Their own reports have said it: Their goals are mis-focused and their activities seem to put more energy into ducking blame than honest analysis and functional results.
It is pretty clear that ISIS would like to pull off an attack in the continental US. The US has been lucky in large part. Since 9/11 there have been many, many attacks against European countries or citizens -- the Charlie Hebdo attacks, Spain train bombings, Tunisia beach attack recently, etc. -- but we've largely been spared. And most of those attacks have been by citizens of the country in which they occurred. It would be naïve to think that there aren't like-minded would-be terrorists here in the US.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)deserve the death penalty.....
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)but in my corner of the liberal world, if one even sympathizes with ISIS, it is proven that one is not a human being worth living.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)because of their sympathies?
Wow!
neverforget
(9,436 posts)post. It's jaw dropping.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)that was reported (by Reuters) the very same day as the Saudi cables (where is the media? I'm doing translations by myself and can find little interest just for 5% I have shared) leaks which UAE spends more than any country lobbying US media efforts.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141130747
Flogging and stoning are legal punishments in the UAE. Many laws continue to discriminate against women. For example, Emirati women must receive permission from a "male guardian" to marry and remarry.[151] The requirement is derived from Sharia law, and has been federal law since 2005.[151] Some domestic workers in the UAE are victims of Sharia judicial punishments such as flogging and stoning.[116] The annual Freedom House report on Freedom in the World has listed the United Arab Emirates as "Not Free" every year since 1999 (the first year for which records are available on their website).[78]
UAE has escaped the Arab Spring; however, more than 100 Emirati activists were jailed and tortured because they sought reforms.[57][152][153] Since 2011, the UAE government has increasingly carried out forced disappearances.[154][155][156][157][158][159] Many foreign nationals and Emirati citizens have been arrested and abducted by the state, the UAE government denies these people are being held (to conceal their whereabouts), placing these people outside the protection of the law.[153][155][160] According to Human Rights Watch, the reports of forced disappearance and torture in the UAE are of grave concern.[156]
The Arab Organisation of Human Rights has obtained testimonies from many defendants, for its report on "Forced Disappearance and Torture in the UAE", who reported that they had been kidnapped, tortured and abused in detention centres.[155][160] The report included 16 different methods of torture including severe beatings, threats with electrocution and denying access to medical care.[155][160]
In 2013, 94 Emirati activists were held in secret detention centres and put on trial for allegedly attempting to overthrow the government.[161] Human rights organizations have spoken out against the secrecy of the trial. An Emirati, whose father is among the defendants, was arrested for tweeting about the trial. In April 2013, he was sentenced to 10 months in jail.[162] The latest forced disappearance involves three sisters from Abu Dhabi.[163][164]
Repressive measures were also used against non-Emiratis in order to justify the UAE government's claim that there is an "international plot" in which UAE citizens and foreigners were working together to destabilize the country.[160] Foreign nationals were also subjected to a campaign of deportations.[160] There are many documented cases of Egyptians and other foreign nationals who had spent years working in the UAE and were then given only a few days to leave the country.[160]
Foreign nationals subjected to forced disappearance include two Libyans[165] and two Qataris.[160][166] Amnesty reported that the Qatari men have been abducted by the UAE government and the UAE government has withheld information about the men's fate from their families.[160][166] Amongst the foreign nationals detained, imprisoned and expelled is Iyad El-Baghdadi, a popular blogger and Twitter personality.[160] He was arrested by UAE authorities, detained, imprisoned and then expelled from the country.[160] Despite his lifetime residence in the UAE, as a Palestinian citizen, El-Baghdadi had no recourse to contest this order.[160] He could not be deported back to the Palestinian territories, therefore he was deported to Malaysia.[160]
In 2007, the UAE government attempted to cover up information on the rape of a French teenage boy by three Emirati locals, one of whose HIV-positive status was hidden by Emirati authorities.[167] Diplomatic pressure led to the arrest and conviction of the Emirati rapists.[168]
In April 2009, a video tape of torture smuggled out of the UAE showed Sheikh Issa bin Zayed Al Nahyan torturing a man (Mohammed Shah Poor) with whips, electric cattle prods, wooden planks with protruding nails and running him over repeatedly with a car.[169] In December 2009, Issa appeared in court and proclaimed his innocence.[170] The trial ended on 10 January 2010, when Issa was cleared of the torture of Mohammed Shah Poor.[171] Human Rights Watch criticised the trial and called on the government to establish an independent body to investigate allegations of abuse by UAE security personnel and other persons of authority.[172] The US State Department has expressed concern over the verdict and said all members of Emirati society "must stand equal before the law" and called for a careful review of the decision to ensure that the demands of justice are fully met in this case.[173]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates
CTBlueboy
(154 posts)or when is the FBI going to arrest racists who are recruiting on forums
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Encrypted phones say so.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Ya stopped 10 0f theirs from hurting us with your super secret powers in super secret ways. The aura of manliness you extrude is making me feel faint...................
Whatever.
Question, How many of us hurt each other in the last four weeks?
How many on or about the 4th of July?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)from a Sasquatch attack. What? You don't believe me?
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)Islamists regularly attack other places in the world, so why wouldn't they want to carry out attacks in the US? Of course they would!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Strange how that belief system comes up in all situations. No other country ever did anything bad, they're not capable of such stunning evil.
No, we're the experts, the rest of the world knows nothing. We're responsible for all that happened, even before this nation was a glint in the Founding Fathers' eyes.
Look at it that way, creatively and it all works out that we can still be superior! 'All things are possible for those who believe.'
in case it's needed...
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)They were saying before "I wouldn't be surprised if there was an attack on July 4th".
Ex-CIA Official: I Wouldnt Be Surprised If Theres Terror Attack On US Over July 4 Weekend
WASHINGTON (CBSDC) A former CIA official wouldnt be surprised if theres a terror attack against the United States over the Fourth of July weekend after the FBI and the Homeland Security Department issued a bulletin of potential attacks against law enforcement officers and the military over the holiday.
Michael Morell, former deputy director of the CIA, told CBS This Morning on Monday that theres nothing routine about this bulletin from the feds.
So these kinds of warnings go out routinely, but theres nothing routine about this particular one to me. This one really resonates with me for two reaons, the CBS News senior security contributor explained. One is theres been about 50 people in the last 12 months whove been arrested in the United States for being radicalized by ISIS wanting to go fight there or wanting to conduct an attack here. So theres a lot of people out there who are seeing themselves as aligned with ISIS. And number two, you have this ISIS call to arms during Ramadan. We are right in the middle of Ramada call to arms, conduct attacks against our enemies. So Im worried about this one.
Morell continued, I dont want to tell Americans what to do or what not to do, but I wouldnt be surprised if were sitting here a week from today talking about an attack over the weekend on the United States. Thats how serious this is.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/06/29/cia-official-terror-attack-isis/
They have "gone dark" because of encrypted data. I can't think of anyone who has "gone dark" more than Intelligence.