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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:55 PM Jul 2015

Trump leads GOP presidential field in new national poll

Source: The Hill

Media coverage of Donald Trump's controverisal immigration remarks have lifted the GOP presidential candidate to the top of the Republican field, according to a new Economist/YouGov poll.

Trump was the preferred GOP nominee for president for 15 percent of respondents — 4 points ahead of former Gov. Jeb Bush (Fla.) and Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.), who were tied for second place.

Gov. Scott Walker (Wis.), Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) and former Gov. Mike Huckabee (Ark.) shared the third spot with 9 percent each.

In addition to being the first choice for the majority of likely voters who participated in the poll, Trump was also the primary second choice for those who preferred another candidate as their nominee.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/247383-trump-leads-gop-presidential-field-in-new-national-poll



Fox News built a f**ked-up Frankenstein, dumb, angry and divorced from facts. Now Donald Trump will devour them

Fox News –and the conservative media-industrial complex – have created a Frankenstein. His name is Donald Trump, and his political success is now a huge problem for the Republican Party. In so many ways, Trump’s political existence was inevitable. For years, Fox News and the conservative talk radio machine have played to the populist Tea Party id: fomenting fear, demonizing immigrants, and enabling every nativist anxiety imaginable. Now they’re paying the price.

Donald Trump is practically a mirror image of the Fox News psyche. Most of his speeches consist of repackaged stupidities plucked right out of the conservative mediascape. It’s kind of brilliant, really. Trump knows his audience, and he beams back at them every idiotic thing they want to hear. Which, of course, is exactly what Fox News does.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/08/fox_news_built_a_fked_up_frankenstein_dumb_angry_and_divorced_from_facts_now_donald_trump_will_devour_them/
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Trump leads GOP presidential field in new national poll (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 OP
OMFG... Hepburn Jul 2015 #1
Hang on........... Chipper Chat Jul 2015 #7
and that's good news IMO wordpix Jul 2015 #49
Strong and Wrong? Renew Deal Jul 2015 #2
Go Donald, Go!! Angry Dragon Jul 2015 #3
Like many Democrats, I'd love to think the Donald is somehow our secret weapon. forest444 Jul 2015 #30
Awesome!!! JoePhilly Jul 2015 #4
I finally figured out what's on top of Donald's head; it's a lemming Xipe Totec Jul 2015 #5
No, it's one of these TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #32
How fitting, considering the mindlessness... 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #33
This is the GOP base? Oh my. Iliyah Jul 2015 #6
Yep. The are flying their fear flag high underpants Jul 2015 #37
The Nominee. nt onehandle Jul 2015 #8
This is going to be good Dopers_Greed Jul 2015 #9
OMG where did the United States of America disappear to? jwirr Jul 2015 #10
Now THIS guy is sure to flame out. Qutzupalotl Jul 2015 #11
Only one conclusion to be made SmittynMo Jul 2015 #12
HOOG! underpants Jul 2015 #38
all the hate without religion? doesn't sound like a mistake for GOP yurbud Jul 2015 #13
*sigh* ONCE AGAIN! FOX is Frankenstein, and Trump is the monster. Coventina Jul 2015 #14
He can get the Rug Doctor as his running mate Dopers_Greed Jul 2015 #15
ROFL murielm99 Jul 2015 #31
Damn, I wish we still had DUzy's mindwalker_i Jul 2015 #41
Trump is an idiot. kenfrequed Jul 2015 #16
Go Racists! Go Racists! Baitball Blogger Jul 2015 #17
Yep underpants Jul 2015 #35
Many of them don't see it because they mitigate their racism. Baitball Blogger Jul 2015 #40
Wow. They live amongst us. Gregorian Jul 2015 #18
Heh heh n2doc Jul 2015 #19
In 1920,H L Mencken wrote Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2015 #20
Warren G "Teapot Dome" Harding, possibly the dumbest and most corrupt president of the 20th Century hedda_foil Jul 2015 #44
Link to poll. Igel Jul 2015 #21
Carson was in the lead in another poll last month TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #34
He has no chance. His negatives are enormous. DCBob Jul 2015 #22
"What would be great though he might be enticed to run third party if the GOP rejects him." Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #26
But, but, but... 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #36
Yeah, that's how I see it Martin Eden Jul 2015 #58
Trump/Palin! Let's keep out fingers crossed!!!! nt LanternWaste Jul 2015 #23
Comeon, at least try to keep it real: Trump/Bachman. PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #29
It was his turn. Other than Jindal, I think every new entrant got a temporary bump. It will fade. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #24
don't count on his fading - this guy has been a media icon for 20 or 30 yrs. wordpix Jul 2015 #51
Pretty funny, considering that he'll drop out before the mandatory financial filing deadline. PSPS Jul 2015 #25
Shame on you for injecting some realism in this circus. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #28
Another DUer posted this, which I think is spot on... PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #27
You have got to be kidding... shanti Jul 2015 #39
alway better to give people a reason to vote for you Angel Martin Jul 2015 #42
Oh for craps sake, if a third party candidate were to pop up for 2016 hedda_foil Jul 2015 #46
no, it's more along the lines of have a positive agenda Angel Martin Jul 2015 #57
Got it! And I completely agree. Thanks, Angel. hedda_foil Jul 2015 #60
I'm just waiting for him to select himself as his running-mate...President and VP all libdem4life Jul 2015 #43
And miss the opportunity for a Celebrity VP tv show??? cui bono Jul 2015 #48
Just think of it...He can trial balloon (not buffoon) all of his great ideas on his own network show libdem4life Jul 2015 #52
15% of 26% randr Jul 2015 #45
Bush-Trump bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #47
is he on uppers or coke? just wondering b/c wordpix Jul 2015 #50
Oh please let Trump be the GOP nominee npk Jul 2015 #53
+1,000! But... What does Freeperville say? Is he their Messiah? n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #68
If that doofus Trump was a Democrat, Oldenuff Jul 2015 #54
I don't understand... StoneCarver Jul 2015 #55
Try suggesting that the Hillary proters conside Bernie Oldenuff Jul 2015 #56
Name one person here who you think would support Trump. NYC Liberal Jul 2015 #62
How many times have I read on this board Oldenuff Jul 2015 #67
Trump is 7th in a new Iowa poll Chirpio Jul 2015 #59
I am mentally incapable of the level of stupidity needed to support Trump I_Like_Hammers Jul 2015 #61
somewhere hillary clinton is laughing her ass off. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #63
That's pretty hilariou, though... Adrahil Jul 2015 #64
I think the results are iffy, too NJCher Jul 2015 #65
Lead Story on NBC News Tonight, Sat., 7/11 NJCher Jul 2015 #66

forest444

(5,902 posts)
30. Like many Democrats, I'd love to think the Donald is somehow our secret weapon.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jul 2015

But that would be giving today's strategically comatose DNC far too much credit.

3catwoman3

(24,007 posts)
33. How fitting, considering the mindlessness...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jul 2015

...of those who are following him with such drooling enthusiasm. Where is the nearest cliff?

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
12. Only one conclusion to be made
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:12 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:24 PM - Edit history (1)

"This how fucked up the GOP has become". I wish them all well in November 2016. And this is the best they can come up with?

It will be a major landslide for the dems. MAJOR!!!

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
13. all the hate without religion? doesn't sound like a mistake for GOP
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jul 2015

they're just reinventing themselves

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
14. *sigh* ONCE AGAIN! FOX is Frankenstein, and Trump is the monster.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:16 PM
Jul 2015

Salon: If you're going to use a literary reference - GET IT RIGHT!!!!

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
16. Trump is an idiot.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jul 2015

Anyone can beat him.

We should no longer be using the argument "only x can beat the republicans." Right now one of the good people on my school board staffed with the local cub scouts could trash trump.

Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
40. Many of them don't see it because they mitigate their racism.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:21 PM
Jul 2015

They think they balance out their prejudices because they can root for Serena Williams and boast about how much they admire her at the same time that they support the pro-confederate crowd.

Mitigated racism is what I call it.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
18. Wow. They live amongst us.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jul 2015

What a sad commentary on the state of consciousness of American humanity.

The only sane people I know laugh at this kind of unevolved behavior. Some have money, some don't. It's a sociological study.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
20. In 1920,H L Mencken wrote
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:36 PM
Jul 2015
The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.

The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.


He was referring to Warren Harding when he wrote, and his words could apply to George W Bush, but they also explain the popularity of Donald Trump among conservatives.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
44. Warren G "Teapot Dome" Harding, possibly the dumbest and most corrupt president of the 20th Century
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:55 PM
Jul 2015

A fine, fine role model for Dubya. And for their next trick, the Repugnant Party will nominate ...?

Igel

(35,320 posts)
21. Link to poll.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jul 2015

Summarized media report:
https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/07/09/gop-frontrunner-donald-trump/

Full PDF:
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ar54q9h39k/econTabReport.pdf

Trump leads by 4 points over Jeb and Ron Paul, by 5 points over Walker, Rubio, Huckabee. By 8 over Christie and 9 over Carson.

The margin of error in the poll is 4.7%.

And since Trump managed to get 15%, that's from 10% to 20%.

This is all name recognition at this point, anyway, coupled with a huge field. Even with the "preference voting" paradigm that the poll tries to use (whatever the current name for that voting method is) it's pretty pointless.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
22. He has no chance. His negatives are enormous.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:44 PM
Jul 2015

His appeal is to a limited group of hard core RWingers. Once the field is narrowed he will drop to an insignificant candidate.

What would be great though he might be enticed to run third party if the GOP rejects him.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
26. "What would be great though he might be enticed to run third party if the GOP rejects him."
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:53 PM
Jul 2015

Now that's an idea I could get behind.

3catwoman3

(24,007 posts)
36. But, but, but...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jul 2015

...isn't he going to win the Latino vote? He told us he was. (just in case it is not obvious)

As I have read the many commentaries about Donald "doubling down," another alliterative phrase that could apply to him came to mind - delusional douchebag.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
58. Yeah, that's how I see it
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:31 AM
Jul 2015

I would be extremely surprised if Trump got the nomination.

I'd also be somewhat pleased for such a beatable opponent, but horrified that we have so many soul-crushingly stupid voters in this country who think that POS should be POTUS.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
24. It was his turn. Other than Jindal, I think every new entrant got a temporary bump. It will fade.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:51 PM
Jul 2015

I'm not so sure this country wouldn't vote for this a**hole. He's certainly got enough money to screw around with a few voting machines in crucial states.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
51. don't count on his fading - this guy has been a media icon for 20 or 30 yrs.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jul 2015

He doesn't even need to go to Iowa/NH b/c the media loves his ass so

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
46. Oh for craps sake, if a third party candidate were to pop up for 2016
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:04 PM
Jul 2015

It won't take away votes from the left as Anderson marginally did. And Senator Sanders would NOT run as an independent. Or perhaps that isn't what you're"hinting" at?

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
57. no, it's more along the lines of have a positive agenda
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:13 AM
Jul 2015

rather than rely on the idea that the opponent is so bad, that you win by default

the Democrats wanted to run against Reagan in 1980

they thought he was a dumb actor (which was true), that would be easy to beat (which was not true)

i'm old enough to remember that the idea of Reagan being elected president was about as ludicrous as Trump is seen now.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
43. I'm just waiting for him to select himself as his running-mate...President and VP all
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:52 PM
Jul 2015

rolled up in one. Nothing to it, if he knows how to fix Isis and all those other tack issues...hey, the VP doesn't do much anyway.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
48. And miss the opportunity for a Celebrity VP tv show???
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:36 PM
Jul 2015

No way!

omg... that would be priceless to have him pick a VP like that.

Why yes, I did just crack myself up.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
52. Just think of it...He can trial balloon (not buffoon) all of his great ideas on his own network show
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 07:05 PM
Jul 2015

He's nothing, if not inventive. Donald Trump...the President, Vice President and Firer in Chief. Has a ring to it.

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
47. Bush-Trump
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jul 2015

would be formidable, one to dither, the other to foment

but the two can't stand each other

A Tea Party GOP ticket would be wonderful, let them have their free speech

It's too early to tell

If pollsters call you, declare Republican, mainstream, for Trump

Republicans will all be trying to Dump the Trump!

Hope it's never America's problem.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
50. is he on uppers or coke? just wondering b/c
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jul 2015

he is like Energizer Bunny and even made that crack about Jebbie! "no energy." Where is The Donald getting all his energy? From that rat on his head?

npk

(3,660 posts)
53. Oh please let Trump be the GOP nominee
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 07:14 PM
Jul 2015

Oh please, please, please, please let this happen. The debates alone would equal super bowl ratings. I mean I am already salivating. Oh please this has to happen. I don't ask for much and I don't believe in a god, but if I am wrong and there is a greater spirit somewhere I beg of you to please let this happen.

 

Oldenuff

(582 posts)
54. If that doofus Trump was a Democrat,
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:11 PM
Jul 2015

and Hillary wasn't a name or candidate,there would be a ton of Dems here stating how Trump was the only one electable,and that Bernie was just drawing off votes.Seriously,you know it's true.They would say I'll have to vote for him if he is the nominee..it's better than electing a Repub.

 

StoneCarver

(249 posts)
55. I don't understand...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:21 PM
Jul 2015

You sound a bit nuts! This is a war of ideas. I am disappointed with your response and post. We discuss and vote ideas, not lockstep.
Stonecarver

 

Oldenuff

(582 posts)
56. Try suggesting that the Hillary proters conside Bernie
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 04:54 AM
Jul 2015

Then wait till they say"I'll vote for the nominee"....

We "wish" we discussed ideas and not lockstep but when Hillary is foisted upon us,we will be expected to vote for her as the nominee.

No need to deny it as you know it to be true.No need to call me nuts either.I'm fed up,and willing to take a stand...how about you?

 

Oldenuff

(582 posts)
67. How many times have I read on this board
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 08:58 PM
Jul 2015

the statement that "If <insert your favorite candidates name here> is not nominated,then I will vote for the nominee of course..That is what I am saying.If Trump were a Dem,and was the nominated candidate,then there would be those who would suggest that anyone who would not vote for him must not be a real Dem.(or at least that would be the inference).

I (and many others) feel like we won't get a decent candidate.I think the fix is in.We will be expected to vote for the Corporatist and be happy about it.

I_Like_Hammers

(30 posts)
61. I am mentally incapable of the level of stupidity needed to support Trump
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 03:12 PM
Jul 2015

Obviously I'd never vote for him to begin with, but I sometimes try to see things from the perspective of those I disagree with, which in this case would be a Trump-supporter. What could such people POSSIBLY see in this man? Trumps' message is basically:
1. I'm rich, so I'm far more important than YOU'LL ever be.
2. I REALLY hate non-whites.
3. Actually I hate whites too.
4. Forget I said 1-3, I'm rich and you're not, and I HATE YOU.

THAT is Trump's message. WHO would support him??? And WHHHHHHHYYYYYY???

NJCher

(35,687 posts)
65. I think the results are iffy, too
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:37 PM
Jul 2015

I've been watching the Trump numbers over the past 14 days or so, and they've never been very high.


Cher

NJCher

(35,687 posts)
66. Lead Story on NBC News Tonight, Sat., 7/11
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:37 PM
Jul 2015

They are showing what they say is 5,000 people showing up to see him. It looks like they are all white. Some are angry and yelling. Others have angry faces.

On the other hand, they interviewed a couple other people. One bystander said, "This guy is an idiot." A Maricopa County official said Trump is trying to divide us. She was well-spoken and articulate.

Trump was strutting around and I think he may have hugged someone from a shooting. I didn't catch from where.

This was a lengthy story. I was surprised they gave him this much time.


Cher

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