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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:52 PM Jul 2015

Donald Trump, center of attention, hints at independent bid

Source: LA Times

Donald Trump upped the volume in his already controversial political campaign Thursday, hinting that he could run as an independent if Republican leaders try to isolate him.

Trump has dominated political news for two weeks as disparaging remarks he made about Mexican immigrants, labeling them drug runners and "rapists," have caused steadily mounting concern among many Republican strategists.

Party officials, who have emphasized a need to reach out to Latino voters, have watched as Trump's comments have threatened to worsen the GOP's already weak image among that growing group of voters. His remarks have divided the GOP presidential candidates and delighted Democratic operatives.

Since the initial remarks he made during his campaign kickoff last month in New York, Trump has escalated his comments in a series of radio and television interviews, claiming that the Mexican government had deliberately sent criminals to the U.S.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-donald-trump-20150709-story.html

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Donald Trump, center of attention, hints at independent bid (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2015 OP
Oh please, please, please Roy Rolling Jul 2015 #1
add my please, but he's already doing a good job of bashing the R's wordpix Jul 2015 #47
Good! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #2
Hey, the money to support his flamboyant lifestyle has to come from somewhere! Chemisse Jul 2015 #8
And rising in the polls among the gop ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #12
Great thought you have there, i mean the guy was willing to be a birther to get attention randys1 Jul 2015 #51
Not just the koch brothers ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #52
LOL...yep. It's the ART of the DEAL, don't you know? PatrickforO Jul 2015 #26
Don't toy with me, Donald!!!!! Coventina Jul 2015 #3
Go Trump go !!!!! n/t cosmicone Jul 2015 #4
What does it take for an independent to get on the ballots? ToxMarz Jul 2015 #5
Each state has its own rules. SheilaT Jul 2015 #7
Trump can't run as an independent. former9thward Jul 2015 #25
Sore loser election law...very interesting. I wonder if that originated when Teddy Roosevelt ran on PatrickforO Jul 2015 #29
You may be right. former9thward Jul 2015 #30
But he hasn't actually run in any primary yet, right? n2doc Jul 2015 #31
You are right. former9thward Jul 2015 #32
That might not apply to the presidency. Jim Lane Jul 2015 #33
What about Gary Johnson? IrishEyes Jul 2015 #36
But did he actually run in the R primaries? former9thward Jul 2015 #41
Yes IrishEyes Jul 2015 #49
It sounds like he was not actually on the ballot former9thward Jul 2015 #50
According to Wikipedia, SheilaT Jul 2015 #40
You may be right. former9thward Jul 2015 #42
People don't run as independents SheilaT Jul 2015 #44
Must have been passed since 1980 Va Lefty Jul 2015 #45
I'm sure he'll be registering "The Trump Party" any day now... Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #46
Oh that would be just delightful. Chemisse Jul 2015 #6
Indeed. redwitch Jul 2015 #17
Run Donald Run! KamaAina Jul 2015 #9
I think his conversation with Rinse didn't go quite as trump would like us to think....LOL....n/t monmouth4 Jul 2015 #10
How did he represent that conversation ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #15
HA! That's quite close. Trump said it was a short conversation (20 mins. or so) and that he told monmouth4 Jul 2015 #18
That would certainly seal the deal on any possible Dem nominee winning the WH. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #11
Even better. GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #13
... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #14
LOL smiley Jul 2015 #19
that's great! wordpix Jul 2015 #48
Wow, so Trump really is a Dem plant... SunSeeker Jul 2015 #16
pretty pretty please dbackjon Jul 2015 #20
That would be WONDERFUL lunamagica Jul 2015 #21
I think Trump is turning a MOST BORING BATTLE we all onecent Jul 2015 #22
Link for those who have hit their max on LA Times articles tomm2thumbs Jul 2015 #23
Performance art at its finest. n/t eggplant Jul 2015 #24
GOP is 'between the devil and the deep blue sea' Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #27
it's like he thinks that it's all about him HFRN Jul 2015 #28
If he wants to break from Greed Over People party and compete for the moron vote with them . . . Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #34
I'm sure Democrats will support his effort wholeheartedly... Historic NY Jul 2015 #35
Please proceed,Mr. Trump n/t jaysunb Jul 2015 #37
If Trump is excluded from GOP debates, he may look at this alternative Gothmog Jul 2015 #38
He thinks his chances are better w/o the support of a major party? MissMillie Jul 2015 #39
'center of attention' LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #43
oh sweet Jesus please DonCoquixote Jul 2015 #53
A lot of fools out there would vote for Trump thinking he's a smart business person. Sunk in Tupelo Jul 2015 #54
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. Good! ...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:54 PM
Jul 2015

ETA: Why do I get the sense Trump is just shaking the gop down ... as in:

Pay Me -

$1,000,000 - I will tune down my rhetoric

$10,000,000 - I will not mount an independent run

$100,000,000 - I will drop, completely, out of the race.

$500,000,000 - I will endorse you

(Yes, that is highly unlawful; but, who needs laws ... that's the Donald!)

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
8. Hey, the money to support his flamboyant lifestyle has to come from somewhere!
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:05 PM
Jul 2015

And he's rapidly losing all other income sources.

They urged him to tone it down the other day, and now he's upping the pressure.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
51. Great thought you have there, i mean the guy was willing to be a birther to get attention
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:31 PM
Jul 2015

something the little shit knew was bullshit.

Maybe he will use a threatened 3rd party run to shake down the Koch Bros and so on.

Think about it, the Koch Bros would gladly write him a check for half a billion to prevent that

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
52. Not just the koch brothers ...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:37 PM
Jul 2015

but all the other gop candidate's campaigns and donors.

"Stick 'em up! One move and the gop gets it!"

And then, for good measure, he'll write a book about it.

Good bizness men have multiple income streams.

ToxMarz

(2,169 posts)
5. What does it take for an independent to get on the ballots?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:59 PM
Jul 2015

Maybe run on the Libertarians ticket (if they qualify for all 50 states)? He has a big mouth and lots of national media, but not much political infrastructure.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
7. Each state has its own rules.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:05 PM
Jul 2015

Anyone wanting to mount an independent campaign should be researching that right now.

However, I would be delighted if Trump and maybe a couple other R clowns would make independent runs. That would definitely splinter the erstwhile Republican vote.

former9thward

(32,019 posts)
25. Trump can't run as an independent.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:29 PM
Jul 2015

This comes up every 4 years. Most states have a "sore loser" election law. It states that if you run in the Dem or Rep primary you can't run as an Independent or another party. Trump would only be allowed on the ballot in a few meaningless states so he would not bother doing it.

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
29. Sore loser election law...very interesting. I wonder if that originated when Teddy Roosevelt ran on
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:34 PM
Jul 2015

the Bull Moose ticket? It would be interesting to find out.

We do have two-term presidents because of FDR, after all, courtesy of rabid anti-New Deal Republicans.

former9thward

(32,019 posts)
30. You may be right.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:46 PM
Jul 2015

Roosevelt first ran in the Republican primaries in 1912 before starting the Progressive Party.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
31. But he hasn't actually run in any primary yet, right?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jul 2015

So if he bails on the repubs before next year, he should be good to go. At least, I hope so…..

former9thward

(32,019 posts)
32. You are right.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:03 PM
Jul 2015

But I remember him talking about running as an indie in 2012. I would not trust anything he said.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
33. That might not apply to the presidency.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:41 PM
Jul 2015

For any other office, if you run in the primary and win, you're the nominee. A primary is an election at which a candidate is nominated.

The presidential primaries and caucuses, however, don't nominate a candidate who must then face a general election. Instead, they choose people for the office of delegate to the national convention. From that point of view, Trump isn't running. "Donald Trump" on the ballot is convenient shorthand for "A slate of delegates pledged to support Donald Trump". Sometimes this is even spelled out.

I don't think this question is of burning importance. Trump enjoys the attention he gets by threatening an independent run, but he wouldn't enjoy finishing third with a tiny fraction of the vote. He won't actually run outside the Republican Party. Thus, the applicability of the "sore loser" laws won't be tested.

IrishEyes

(3,275 posts)
36. What about Gary Johnson?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:12 PM
Jul 2015

He ran as a republican for president in 2012 and then he switched and became the libertarian candidate in 2012. I'm just curious because I don't know much about this subject. Thanks.

IrishEyes

(3,275 posts)
49. Yes
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:14 PM
Jul 2015

He ran in the NH primary. He didn't do very well. He only got 4 votes. He had been excluded from the debates. He announced his candidacy for the republican nomination on April 21, 2011. He withdrew from the republican presidential nomination on December 28, 2011 and started campaigning for the Libertarian nomination which he won. He became the libertarian presidential candidate. He did run as a republican for 8 months.

former9thward

(32,019 posts)
50. It sounds like he was not actually on the ballot
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:28 PM
Jul 2015

as a R in the sore loser election states. He was actually on the ballot as a R in one state - NH.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
40. According to Wikipedia,
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 02:02 AM
Jul 2015

the sore loser laws generally don't apply to the Presidential candidates. It names Michigan as one state where they do apply, and apparently there are a few others.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
44. People don't run as independents
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 03:17 AM
Jul 2015

because it's prohibitively expensive, and you have no party machinery to help you out. Ross Perot did it in 1992, because he had plenty of money to spend on an independent campaign. Donald Trump could afford it if he wanted to. But probably none of the other candidates on either side could do it. Well, maybe the Bushes have about enough money, and Romney probably could if he wanted to, but he's not running this year, and I seriously doubt he'd step outside the Republican party to do so.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
6. Oh that would be just delightful.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:02 PM
Jul 2015

I doubt he will though. He just likes the drama.

He is like a fish on land. Thrashing all around with great intensity, but going nowhere and doomed to die.

redwitch

(14,944 posts)
17. Indeed.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:40 PM
Jul 2015

He loves starring in his own little play but he would never go to the trouble to actually run for president.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
15. How did he represent that conversation ...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:12 PM
Jul 2015

I recall, after Univision dropped him, he claimed Univision called him the next morning to apologize for dropping him.

I suspect, someone called him and said: "You sorry piece of racist sh!t. You are the boil on mankind's a$$"

And Donald heard: "Sorry, man."

monmouth4

(9,708 posts)
18. HA! That's quite close. Trump said it was a short conversation (20 mins. or so) and that he told
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:42 PM
Jul 2015

Rinse he wouldn't be stifled. These are not his exact words but I'm paraphrasing. I think Rinse really blasted him and of course Trump would never admit to that...

onecent

(6,096 posts)
22. I think Trump is turning a MOST BORING BATTLE we all
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:59 PM
Jul 2015

have to watch UNTIL THE ELECTION.....He is the best part of the entire thing....
You can only watch so much jeb and clinton and Ted Cruz....God this is just getting
started....Just give me a glass of wine and some popcorn....cuz the show is just beginning.

Trump makes me laugh EVERY DAY.....

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
27. GOP is 'between the devil and the deep blue sea'
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jul 2015

If he stays in the GOP he will damage them and if he runs as an independent he will damage them.

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
28. it's like he thinks that it's all about him
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:34 PM
Jul 2015

what's gotten into him? he didnt used to be like that

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
34. If he wants to break from Greed Over People party and compete for the moron vote with them . . .
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:55 PM
Jul 2015

. . . well, have at it.

I believe that Bernie can beat any any Republican current or likely to be in the field and, furthermore, I think even Hillary can.

So go for, Mr. Rump.

MissMillie

(38,560 posts)
39. He thinks his chances are better w/o the support of a major party?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:30 PM
Jul 2015

Um.... Donny.....

Doesn't matter how you label yourself, the American people know you're an idiot.


But, please, by all means, split the GOP.

You may be the best think to happen to the Democrats since Sarah Palin.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
53. oh sweet Jesus please
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:04 PM
Jul 2015

Since Trump can spend his own cash, he can do for more damage to the GOP than Perot ever did. If I was a rich DNC donor, I wouldf shovel money into the trump pac once he goes indy

 

Sunk in Tupelo

(66 posts)
54. A lot of fools out there would vote for Trump thinking he's a smart business person.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:06 PM
Jul 2015

Last time I was in Fort Lauderdale I could help but notice his huge condo buildings completely empty and out of business.

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