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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:23 AM Jul 2015

Leading German conservatives cast doubt on Greek reform proposals

Source: Deutsche Welle

Senior German conservatives on Friday called into question the credibility of reform proposals put forward by the Athens government under Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras in a last-ditch bid to avoid a possible exit from the euro zone ("Grexit&quot .

Speaking to ZDF public service television, the deputy parliamentary floor leader for Merkel's conservative Christian Democrats (CDU), Ralph Brinkmann, said that the new plans seemed to contain many measures that Greeks rejected at a referendum last Sunday, casting doubt on how seriously they were meant.


Ralph Brinkmann

"How believable is it that this reform list will be implemented?" he asked, saying that the Athens government had also previously condemned many of the things it was now proposing.

Another leading conservative, Hans-Peter Friedrich, from the Christian Social Union (CSU) sister party in Bavaria, also said it was strange that proposals were being made that had been rejected in the referendum.

"Either the Greek government is tricking its own people or [it is tricking] us again," he told Deutschlandfunk radio in an interview.



Read more: http://www.dw.com/en/leading-german-conservatives-cast-doubt-on-greek-reform-proposals/a-18574815



Looks like France is one of the few friends that Greece has left, and that Tsipras hasn't managed to alienate.

Hope Hollande and Cie will be able to bring enough pressure to bear to force the Germans to get behind this last ditch offer.

Tsipras' much-vaunted referendum has perhaps done irreparable damage to Greece's already dicey credibility with its partners.

O, Pyrrhic Victory, thy name is Syriza.
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Leading German conservatives cast doubt on Greek reform proposals (Original Post) Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 OP
It's not just Berlin Expat Jul 2015 #1
No, unfortunately, it's not just the Germans. Tsipras Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #2
Have you seen this? It just gets better and better, or I should say Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #3
A bad situation Berlin Expat Jul 2015 #4
Very fraught moment for all of us here in Europe. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #5
Really, Greece should just exit and cut that dammed cord. ananda Jul 2015 #6
You might want to check with the Greeks about that anti-euro sentiment... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #7

Berlin Expat

(950 posts)
1. It's not just
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:47 AM
Jul 2015

the Germans expressing reservations.

The view from Latvia has been expressed by President Laimdota Straujuma, speaking on state broadcaster Deutschlankfunk (dlf.de) this morning.

Straujuma said that the Latvian parliament would have to vote on any new bailout. It would be the first time it had been directly involved, as during bailouts 1 and 2, the country was not yet part of the Euro. She told DLF she would have difficulty persuading her parliament to support such a move.

“It will be very hard for me to persuade the parliament. And for the parliament it will be difficult to vote for it, because the average Pension in Latvia is considerably less than in Greece, and if you were to ask the Latvians today whether they are willing to lend money to Greece, you can probably guess what their answer would be.”

Straujuma said that discussions with her counterparts in the other Baltic states of Estonia and Lithuania - all of whom have gone through extensive periods of austerity and reform implementation - had shown they were of the same opinion.

“At the moment I see no reason for Latvia to give money to Greece,” Straujuma said, adding:

“Humanitarian aid is another matter. If money is needed for Greek hospitals or for medicines, the Latvians will help. Greece is an EU member, but it’s the Greek government that is responsible for what happens”.


http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/jul/10/greek-crisis-deal-hopes-mps-vote-tsipras-live#comments

Now I admit I could be mistaken in this, but doesn't this whole affair have to have unanimous approval from the Eurozone countries in order for it to go through? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, of course; but it seems to me that, at the very least, the Baltic States (and possibly Slovakia as well) could scuttle the whole deal by voting against it in their respective parliaments.
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
2. No, unfortunately, it's not just the Germans. Tsipras
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:00 AM
Jul 2015

and his referendum stunt have done untold damage to Greece's already shakey credibility with all of its European partners.

He showed himself to be in bad faith and untrustworthy. And now, he expects the EU to trust him again, as if the referendum had never happened.

Just what school of conflict management and negotiating did he go to?

Shameless, unconscionable...

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
3. Have you seen this? It just gets better and better, or I should say
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:09 AM
Jul 2015

worse and worse.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026959728

Greece's Tsipras to sell austerity deal to reluctant party


Left-wing Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras sought his party's backing for a harsh new austerity package Friday to keep his country in the euro — less than a week after urging Greeks to reject milder cuts in a referendum.

Berlin Expat

(950 posts)
4. A bad situation
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:07 AM
Jul 2015

all around.

Hell, I wonder if "Mutti" can sell this to her own party and the Bundestag? A lot of Germans are mighty steamed by all this and they certainly don't trust Tsipras (and pretty much any Greek government in general).

So until the t's are crossed and the i's dotted (with the occasional ü here and there), this could still all end in tears.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
5. Very fraught moment for all of us here in Europe.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:19 AM
Jul 2015

Incompetent and reckless leaders like Tsipras have a lot to answer for.

Who the hell can trust a clown that pulls a stunt like that half-assed referendum?

Even the French don't trust the Greek 'guignole', but they know they have to deal with him, at least for now.

ananda

(28,865 posts)
6. Really, Greece should just exit and cut that dammed cord.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:26 AM
Jul 2015

The hardline globalists are never going to budge, really.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
7. You might want to check with the Greeks about that anti-euro sentiment...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jul 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141137547#post34

'Poll: 66.5% of Greeks Prefer the Euro Over Drachma'


http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/05/05/poll-66-5-of-greeks-prefer-the-euro-over-drachma/

Not to mention that Greece would fall completely over the cliff, being totally unprepared for a reversion to the drachma which experts estimate would take at least 6 months.

And there's this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141141383#post53

'Their membership in and use of the euro is a major boost to their N°2 industry, tourism. They would be dying right now without tourism. Even the tiniest land-poor, poverty-striken island can now count on those euro-spending tourists to improve their lot.'
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