Obama to become first sitting president to visit a prison
Source: LA Times
President Obama will become the first sitting president to visit a federal prison, part of a push he plans next week for reforming the criminal justice system.
On Thursday, the president will visit with inmates and officials at the Federal Correctional Institution El Reno near Oklahoma City, the White House announced Friday, and will be interviewed for the HBO newsmagazine series Vice on the issue.
The trip will follow a speech on Tuesday at the NAACPs annual convention in Philadelphia in which Obama will lay out his ideas to make our country fairer, smarter and more cost effective while keeping the American people safe and secure, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters.
The president highlighted criminal justice reform as a priority in his State of the Union speech in January, connecting it to high-profile clashes between local law enforcement and minority communities.
Read more: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-prison-visit-20150710-story.html
onehandle
(51,122 posts)The right-wing's top fantasy.
There are plenty of idiots who would believe it, too.
Boomerproud
(7,954 posts)Tee Hee Hee (cough cough) 1.2.3... here we go.
George II
(67,782 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)he should be instead of pairing stoopid shit and running his mouth off.
randys1
(16,286 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)the congress we have. He would be doing everyone a favor with his success.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)give us the TPP. I cannot explain it. I wish he would if he has some kind of explanation.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Just like all the social issues, he can throw bones out there to make us think things are changing, but the rich really don't care about that. But when the rich (TPTB), including huge corporations and banks, don't like something - we may never even know about it.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)worry about centrism.
treestar
(82,383 posts)so many are not even willing to question what they are told. Usually the same people throwing around "authoritarian" for anyone who things the system of laws we have should be followed.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)are they hiding it even from congress by using ridiculous viewing limitations?
Yes we have read the leaked portions which may be changed but if there is change it is going to have to be massive change in order to protect workers and poorer countries from further exploitation by multi-national corporations. IMO corporations have more than enough power already.
We have had only one indication that it could be changed - President Obama said "Trust me". I have never given blind trust to any government official. Our duty as citizens is to oversee what our representatives do while in office. That does not stop because I voted for and like the official.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)you'll likely see 2 different people as President. Oh, there will certainly be a "national security" reason that sounds plausible for why the US does this but there is usually a get rich quick scheme at play. In the 2000s we've had contradictory or unsure positions on LGBT rights but after the poll numbers "evolved" you see Democrats across the country pushing, embracing support, etc. Public pressure is a key part of it & is helped by media attention. Outside our borders it is obvious intelligence builds the narratives that the corporate press air & build an illusion of what is going on to support the far right using dirty tricks to commercially exploit resources.
While I support the Confederate flag coming down in SC the strong push out of nowhere interests me. I'd like to see something similar like that for ending the drug war & prison reforms.
We must pay closer attention to things not just domestic pressures as there is often more to that meets the eye. We lack a truly independent powerful media which doesn't help matters. If he has an explanation it will be carefully scripted & choreographed.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)for prison reform and I am a bit afraid that it was the Rs that started pushing it because of costs. However, I will take it anyway I can get it at the moment. They also could accomplish a lot by just legalizing mj and ending the drug wars. So the fact that they are talking reform without talking about the other two raises some eyebrows.
Hopefully when President Obama is no longer president he will write a tell all book on why he did some of the controversial things he did. At least someday we should be able to understand what really appears to many as a betrayal of why we voted for him.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Gotta love randy1!
randys1
(16,286 posts)Well, not exactly true.
Most of my psychoanalysis came in the form of 12 step programs, but when I realized there was no god, I had to abandon even those.
But thank you, yes, I do love Randy
randys1
(16,286 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Truly brilliant and spot on. I couldn't agree more.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)Good god - how can an American president properly weigh issues involving the nation's penal systems without taking some time to see for himself? Most lawyers have seen jails and detention centers, but prison visits are usually made by appellate defense lawyers.
Very sad.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)Good for the President.
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)Thanks for the thread, Idemo
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)Was cheated of that chance, though.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)belong "in" prison.
randys1
(16,286 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)And the instant overturn of any marijuana related charges (well that one is harder, but I tried to sneak it in).
arcane1
(38,613 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)As federal laws go, it's one of the lowest-priorities out there.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)not to enforce a law that congress has passed and thus wouldnt that be grounds for impeachment?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)His new AG is going after MMJ more than her predecessor, for example.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)I would think that would be pretty risky to do for any president.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Where have you been?
(a) Offense. Whoever outside the United States commits or attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.
(b) Jurisdiction. There is jurisdiction over the activity prohibited in subsection (a) if
(1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or
(2) the alleged offender is present in the United States, irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged offender.
(c) Conspiracy. A person who conspires to commit an offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties (other than the penalty of death) as the penalties prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2340A
treestar
(82,383 posts)prosecutorial discretion.
Volaris
(10,271 posts)He can't decide of his own volition which Laws he will enforce ( as its his job to enforce all of them);
He can make the determination that the punishments for violations of said laws be so un-severe as to make those violations, and their subsequent punishments, nearly meaningless.
A hundred-buck fine for federal weed laws violation, say. The justice department would never bother to collect, as the paperwork cost would be more than the fine collected so....
The only snag would be congressionally issued mandatory minimums laws, and if push came to shove, the Pres could always file a court suit seeking those laws to be declared unconstitutional...
Hell if he wanted to, the president could simply issue full pardons for all currently incarcerated MJ inmates if he wanted to, only reason not to is the political shitstorm it would set off in Congress.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Though for cannabis petition has to be filed to the DEA (aka Intelligence front)
Removal of cannabis from Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act
The Controlled Substances Act provides a process for rescheduling controlled substances by petitioning the Drug Enforcement Administration. The first petition under this process was filed in 1972 to allow cannabis to be legally prescribed by physicians. The petition was ultimately denied after 22 years of court challenges, although a pill form of cannabis' psychoactive ingredient, THC, was rescheduled in 1985 to allow prescription under schedule II. In 1999 it was again rescheduled to allow prescription under schedule III. A second petition, based on claims related to clinical studies, was denied in 2001. The most recent rescheduling petition filed by medical cannabis advocates was in 2002, but was denied by the DEA in July 2011. Subsequently, medical cannabis advocacy group Americans for Safe Access filed an appeal in January 2012 with the D.C. Circuit, which was heard on 16 October 2012[1] and denied on 22 January 2013.[2] As of May 2014, 22 states and Washington D.C. have legalized the use of medical marijuana.[3] Currently, the FDA is conducting an analysis, at the request of the DEA, on whether marijuana should be downgraded, said Douglas Throckmorton, Deputy Director for Regulatory Programs at the FDA, at a congressional hearing in June 2014.[4]
<snip>
Rulemaking proceedings
Stages in rescheduling proceedings
Filing of Petition with DEA
Acceptance of Petition by DEA
Initial Review by DEA
Referral to HHS
Scientific and Medical Evaluation by HHS
HHS Report to DEA
Evaluation of Additional Information by DEA
Publication of DEA Decision
(Judicial review by the U.S. Court of Appeals)
(Public Hearing on Disputed Matters of Fact)
The United States Code, under Section 811 of Title 21,[21] sets out a process by which cannabis could be administratively transferred to a less-restrictive category or removed from Controlled Substances Act regulation altogether. The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) evaluates petitions to reschedule cannabis. However, the Controlled Substances Act gives the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), as successor agency of the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, great power over rescheduling decisions.
After the DEA accepts the filing of a petition, the agency must request from the HHS Secretary "a scientific and medical evaluation, and his recommendations, as to whether such drug or other substance should be so controlled or removed as a controlled substance." The Secretary's findings on scientific and medical issues are binding on the DEA.[22] The HHS Secretary can even unilaterally legalize cannabis: "If the Secretary recommends that a drug or other substance not be controlled, the Attorney General shall not control the drug or other substance." 21 U.S.C. § 811(b).
Factors
Unless an international treaty requires controlling a substance, the Attorney General must, in finding whether the drug meets the three criteria for placement in a particular schedule, consider the following factors:[citation needed]
The drug's actual or relative potential for abuse.
Scientific evidence of its pharmacological effect, if known.
The state of current scientific knowledge regarding the drug or other substance.
Its history and current pattern of abuse.
The scope, duration, and significance of abuse.
What, if any, risk there is to the public health.
Its psychological or physiological dependence liability.
Whether the substance is an immediate precursor of a controlled substance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_cannabis_from_Schedule_I_of_the_Controlled_Substances_Act
I'm saying he could not make a crime if he really wanted to and not to mention there is "prosecutorial discretion". Torture, perjury, crimes committed by state department agencies, etc. He can enforce federal laws as he sees fit as there is generally a focus which enforcement agencies target and not target. Federal drug laws do have mandatory minimums though for marijuana if it is less than 100 kilos (more is 10 year sentence) "not more than 10 years" less than 50 "not more than 5 years". Anything else has "not less". Usually state police handle drug enforcement but those with different state laws the DEA is choosing this (probably because they were cutting into their drug importation profits).
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)With a few exceptions.
Things are much better now than they were a few years ago.
Same thing with the legal recreational pot states. The feds are pretty much leaving them alone.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)You have to spend some time in a prison to begin to understand. And I don't think a visitor, free to leave, can fully appreciate it. But, spending time inside has an effect on you.
bucolic_frolic
(43,173 posts)that he's the first. None other? What were the others thinking?
They all had power of the pardon and commutation. Many or
most used it. But no visits ........... until now!
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)He's humanizing a forgotten population and giving their loved ones something too in the process.
global1
(25,251 posts)cyndensco
(1,697 posts)I LOVE this Obama.
Duval
(4,280 posts)kickysnana
(3,908 posts)msongs
(67,412 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)Francis has visited prison in Italy, and perhaps others that I'm not aware of.
Maybe, even subliminally, Pres. Obama or his advisors were influenced by Francis' compassionate action.
At the very least, such a visit presents good optics.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Cha
(297,272 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35For I was hungry, and you gave me food: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in:
36Naked, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came unto me.
37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you hungry, and fed you? or thirsty, and gave you drink?
38When saw we you a stranger, and took you in? or naked, and clothed you?
39Or when saw we you sick, or in prison, and came unto you?
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Since you have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, you have done it unto me.
http://biblehub.com/kj2000/matthew/25.htm
Great thing for Obama to do. Actions speak louder than words.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,053 posts)Wow. I didn't realize the NAACP convention was here this year. They have been almost 24/7 with the Pope's visit in September here in Philly, so missed this as the media kept that hush hush. They are going to have to ratchet it up a bit if you have the President in town for an agenda speech. I just looked at the schedule and Bill Clinton will also be here at the convention along with Loretta Lynch.
Assuming he's at the Convention Center, he could have gone about 1/2 mile east of that location and hit a Federal Prison, which is also (ironically) diagonally across the street from the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia.
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)a show of mercy that we have not been repaid.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Delmette
(522 posts)City, county, state and private run prisons/jails. I pretty sure the is a list of the worst and best. He shouD defiantly visit the worst. Just a suggestion.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)coffeenap
(3,173 posts)His support team is looking for someone who can get in touch with the Vice producers--anyone have a contact?
Sunk in Tupelo
(66 posts)Seriously, has no other sitting president ever visited a prison? That can't be right. If it is, color me shocked.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Let alone the number of lives involved.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,192 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)I hope he can find time to visit some other prisons, interview and unannounced.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)43 chief law enforcement officers have run the Federal prison system without a single site visit?
Hekate
(90,705 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)They are full of sitting governors after all.
mountain grammy
(26,622 posts)Our prison system is nothing less than a gulag. 2 million prisoners, it's mind boggling. About time a sitting US president acknowledged it's existence.
treestar
(82,383 posts)if asked, I would have assumed some president already did this. Surprising.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)IHateTheGOP
(1,059 posts)craigmatic
(4,510 posts)NBachers
(17,117 posts)Believe me, security's going to be tight, and any inmates who have contact with him will be specially screened. A lot of inmates would love to blow the whistle on things that are wrong, but they won't have the chance.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)If he is sincere about looking into this, he will have had the security detail run an independent analysis and request prisoners that are not on the warden's list.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Though considering rising pressure from the population there is probably a likely effort to at-least reduce this someway which is good but I'd pay close attention to what follows.
CrispyQ
(36,470 posts)An entire population . . . forgotten. Good on Obama.
There are just some things that should not be done for profit - ever.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)That's our Potus, dealing with injustice.
Wonder how Fox is playing this one.