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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 04:29 PM Jul 2015

Obama to become first sitting president to visit a prison

Source: LA Times

President Obama will become the first sitting president to visit a federal prison, part of a push he plans next week for reforming the criminal justice system.

On Thursday, the president will visit with inmates and officials at the Federal Correctional Institution El Reno near Oklahoma City, the White House announced Friday, and will be interviewed for the HBO newsmagazine series “Vice” on the issue.

The trip will follow a speech on Tuesday at the NAACP’s annual convention in Philadelphia in which Obama will “lay out his ideas to make our country fairer, smarter and more cost effective while keeping the American people safe and secure,” White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters.

The president highlighted criminal justice reform as a priority in his State of the Union speech in January, connecting it to high-profile clashes between local law enforcement and minority communities.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-prison-visit-20150710-story.html

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Obama to become first sitting president to visit a prison (Original Post) IDemo Jul 2015 OP
One million trolls want to be able to report: 'Obama Goes To Prison' onehandle Jul 2015 #1
Yep! treestar Jul 2015 #61
I refuse to go to the comment section of any story about this because of that. Boomerproud Jul 2015 #73
will george bush be the first ex-president to visit a prison? George II Jul 2015 #86
You mean get sentenced to prison? 47of74 Jul 2015 #87
Another example of why I call him Superman randys1 Jul 2015 #2
This is wonderful. I look forward to hearing his ideas and see how he can get them done with jwirr Jul 2015 #4
It would help makeup for the TPP. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #23
I hear you. I swear he is two people in one. The one who does something like this and then jwirr Jul 2015 #26
But this doesn't cost the rich anything. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #31
Right. I was not thinking about that. You may be right - this may be exactly why we should jwirr Jul 2015 #39
or maybe the TPP is not what the internet says it is? treestar Jul 2015 #62
We are not the only country objecting to the TPP and related trade deals. Plus if it is good why jwirr Jul 2015 #65
Outside borders and inside borders JonLP24 Jul 2015 #78
I always forget to look behind the curtain. Got to learn that. There seems to be a push beginning jwirr Jul 2015 #82
There goes randy1. Stellar Jul 2015 #54
I do, 22 yrs of psychoanalysis twice a week pays off! randys1 Jul 2015 #55
tee-hee! Stellar Jul 2015 #56
love the sig randys1 Jul 2015 #57
Me too! thanks. Stellar Jul 2015 #58
check it out randys1 Jul 2015 #59
Absolutely great quote from Malcolm X JonLP24 Jul 2015 #79
I just can't believe that he's the first, ever? RiverNoord Jul 2015 #72
That is really fucking cool tishaLA Jul 2015 #3
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #5
Never would have expected any U.S. President to do this. Wonderful. Prisoners are people, too. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2015 #6
I expected Nixon to do it. Demeter Jul 2015 #67
I know of a former president who was elected after Clinton and vice president who actually cstanleytech Jul 2015 #7
post of the day randys1 Jul 2015 #28
Good, hopefully to announce the rescheduling of marijuana BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #8
First he has to stop his DOJ from going after LEGAL MMJ. arcane1 Jul 2015 #11
Yeah, that too BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #13
I dont think he can because isnt it still a crime under federal law which is sworn to uphold? cstanleytech Jul 2015 #24
He can tell them which laws to enforce if he wanted to, I'm pretty sure arcane1 Jul 2015 #41
Wouldnt it be a violation of his oath of office to tell the DoJ cstanleytech Jul 2015 #44
They can prioritize. They don't chase after all crimes equally. arcane1 Jul 2015 #47
True but outright ignoring something he knows is going on thats illegal under federal law? cstanleytech Jul 2015 #48
Pretty risky? JonLP24 Jul 2015 #81
no. Look at his non-enforcement of the immigration laws treestar Jul 2015 #63
Mmmm..I think it's more accurate to say the following: Volaris Jul 2015 #52
FDA drug classification is under the jurisdiction of the FDA JonLP24 Jul 2015 #80
They pretty much have stopped going after legal medical marijuana. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #46
Great move Obama! I am very pleased to hear this. morningfog Jul 2015 #9
Just Incredible bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #10
Powerful message just by going there BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #12
Too Bad For Bush - He Could Have Been The First Sitting President Sent To Prison.....nt global1 Jul 2015 #14
He is really trying to get it done. cyndensco Jul 2015 #15
x 1,000!! nt Duval Jul 2015 #19
FDR and Eleanor were everwhere, even down in mines. Possibly true tough. kickysnana Jul 2015 #16
he won't see any of his wall street best friends behind bars there nt msongs Jul 2015 #17
ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz z z ... tabasco Jul 2015 #50
Announced on the same day Pope Francis visited a Bolivian prison. No Vested Interest Jul 2015 #18
It's the zeitgeist. Reconcile, repair, renew. Those who lived off destruction hate them both. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #64
Yup! They can't stand the good both are bringing the world. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #76
Thanks Obama Cha Jul 2015 #20
"I was in prison, and you visited me." JDPriestly Jul 2015 #21
Thank you, JD- very apt at this time. nt No Vested Interest Jul 2015 #30
"NAACP’s annual convention in Philadelphia" BumRushDaShow Jul 2015 #22
K&R n/t lordsummerisle Jul 2015 #25
Than you, Mr. President! nt Babel_17 Jul 2015 #27
Pres. Nixonmost was almost the first. Some fancy work by GOP got the DEMs to back off a little, NCjack Jul 2015 #29
I could think of a few before him that should have moved in. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #32
Then he should visit some other prisons. Delmette Jul 2015 #33
Too bad W wasn't. jberryhill Jul 2015 #34
...Don Siegelman... coffeenap Jul 2015 #35
That headline seems surreal. Sunk in Tupelo Jul 2015 #36
Same here. The money being spent alone would seem to ask for a site visit Recursion Jul 2015 #43
I thought the same thing n/t TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #74
If my dreams were reality, President Obama wins a third term. Sunlei Jul 2015 #37
Well, it was the LAST sitting President that really needs to visit a prison...[n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #38
Yeah, a nice 80 year visit. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #40
Wait. That has never happened before? Recursion Jul 2015 #42
A thousand Recs Hekate Jul 2015 #45
I will be looking forward to the interview and the speech davidpdx Jul 2015 #49
Kind of odd that a sitting President has never visited a prison before. bluedigger Jul 2015 #51
I'm so glad to see this. Good for Obama. mountain grammy Jul 2015 #53
amazing treestar Jul 2015 #60
No comment Demeter Jul 2015 #66
Yes..great news, I do love great news. K&R Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #68
Too bad he's not there to bring Cheney a gift basket demwing Jul 2015 #69
Bush should have beat him to it, from inside a cell waiting for execution for war crimes IHateTheGOP Jul 2015 #70
Free the nonviolent prisoners of the war on drugs. craigmatic Jul 2015 #71
Having spent a fair amount of time in the Federal system, I applaud President Obama's visit. NBachers Jul 2015 #75
If he is sincere about looking into this... Android3.14 Jul 2015 #85
Fairer, smarter, and most cost-effective for who is the key part JonLP24 Jul 2015 #77
Amazed that he is the first. CrispyQ Jul 2015 #83
Excellent news flamingdem Jul 2015 #84

Boomerproud

(7,954 posts)
73. I refuse to go to the comment section of any story about this because of that.
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 07:54 PM
Jul 2015

Tee Hee Hee (cough cough) 1.2.3... here we go.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
87. You mean get sentenced to prison?
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:51 AM
Jul 2015

he should be instead of pairing stoopid shit and running his mouth off.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
4. This is wonderful. I look forward to hearing his ideas and see how he can get them done with
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 04:37 PM
Jul 2015

the congress we have. He would be doing everyone a favor with his success.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
26. I hear you. I swear he is two people in one. The one who does something like this and then
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:25 PM
Jul 2015

give us the TPP. I cannot explain it. I wish he would if he has some kind of explanation.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
31. But this doesn't cost the rich anything.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:36 PM
Jul 2015

Just like all the social issues, he can throw bones out there to make us think things are changing, but the rich really don't care about that. But when the rich (TPTB), including huge corporations and banks, don't like something - we may never even know about it.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
39. Right. I was not thinking about that. You may be right - this may be exactly why we should
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jul 2015

worry about centrism.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
62. or maybe the TPP is not what the internet says it is?
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jul 2015

so many are not even willing to question what they are told. Usually the same people throwing around "authoritarian" for anyone who things the system of laws we have should be followed.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
65. We are not the only country objecting to the TPP and related trade deals. Plus if it is good why
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jul 2015

are they hiding it even from congress by using ridiculous viewing limitations?

Yes we have read the leaked portions which may be changed but if there is change it is going to have to be massive change in order to protect workers and poorer countries from further exploitation by multi-national corporations. IMO corporations have more than enough power already.

We have had only one indication that it could be changed - President Obama said "Trust me". I have never given blind trust to any government official. Our duty as citizens is to oversee what our representatives do while in office. That does not stop because I voted for and like the official.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
78. Outside borders and inside borders
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 05:27 AM
Jul 2015

you'll likely see 2 different people as President. Oh, there will certainly be a "national security" reason that sounds plausible for why the US does this but there is usually a get rich quick scheme at play. In the 2000s we've had contradictory or unsure positions on LGBT rights but after the poll numbers "evolved" you see Democrats across the country pushing, embracing support, etc. Public pressure is a key part of it & is helped by media attention. Outside our borders it is obvious intelligence builds the narratives that the corporate press air & build an illusion of what is going on to support the far right using dirty tricks to commercially exploit resources.

While I support the Confederate flag coming down in SC the strong push out of nowhere interests me. I'd like to see something similar like that for ending the drug war & prison reforms.

We must pay closer attention to things not just domestic pressures as there is often more to that meets the eye. We lack a truly independent powerful media which doesn't help matters. If he has an explanation it will be carefully scripted & choreographed.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
82. I always forget to look behind the curtain. Got to learn that. There seems to be a push beginning
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 09:45 AM
Jul 2015

for prison reform and I am a bit afraid that it was the Rs that started pushing it because of costs. However, I will take it anyway I can get it at the moment. They also could accomplish a lot by just legalizing mj and ending the drug wars. So the fact that they are talking reform without talking about the other two raises some eyebrows.

Hopefully when President Obama is no longer president he will write a tell all book on why he did some of the controversial things he did. At least someday we should be able to understand what really appears to many as a betrayal of why we voted for him.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
55. I do, 22 yrs of psychoanalysis twice a week pays off!
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 11:50 AM
Jul 2015

Well, not exactly true.

Most of my psychoanalysis came in the form of 12 step programs, but when I realized there was no god, I had to abandon even those.


But thank you, yes, I do love Randy

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
72. I just can't believe that he's the first, ever?
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jul 2015

Good god - how can an American president properly weigh issues involving the nation's penal systems without taking some time to see for himself? Most lawyers have seen jails and detention centers, but prison visits are usually made by appellate defense lawyers.

Very sad.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
7. I know of a former president who was elected after Clinton and vice president who actually
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jul 2015

belong "in" prison.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
8. Good, hopefully to announce the rescheduling of marijuana
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 04:56 PM
Jul 2015

And the instant overturn of any marijuana related charges (well that one is harder, but I tried to sneak it in).

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
41. He can tell them which laws to enforce if he wanted to, I'm pretty sure
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jul 2015

As federal laws go, it's one of the lowest-priorities out there.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
44. Wouldnt it be a violation of his oath of office to tell the DoJ
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:34 PM
Jul 2015

not to enforce a law that congress has passed and thus wouldnt that be grounds for impeachment?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
47. They can prioritize. They don't chase after all crimes equally.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:40 PM
Jul 2015

His new AG is going after MMJ more than her predecessor, for example.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
48. True but outright ignoring something he knows is going on thats illegal under federal law?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:45 PM
Jul 2015

I would think that would be pretty risky to do for any president.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
81. Pretty risky?
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 05:52 AM
Jul 2015

Where have you been?

(a) Offense.— Whoever outside the United States commits or attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.
(b) Jurisdiction.— There is jurisdiction over the activity prohibited in subsection (a) if—
(1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or
(2) the alleged offender is present in the United States, irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged offender.
(c) Conspiracy.— A person who conspires to commit an offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties (other than the penalty of death) as the penalties prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2340A

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
52. Mmmm..I think it's more accurate to say the following:
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 09:35 AM
Jul 2015

He can't decide of his own volition which Laws he will enforce ( as its his job to enforce all of them);
He can make the determination that the punishments for violations of said laws be so un-severe as to make those violations, and their subsequent punishments, nearly meaningless.
A hundred-buck fine for federal weed laws violation, say. The justice department would never bother to collect, as the paperwork cost would be more than the fine collected so....
The only snag would be congressionally issued mandatory minimums laws, and if push came to shove, the Pres could always file a court suit seeking those laws to be declared unconstitutional...
Hell if he wanted to, the president could simply issue full pardons for all currently incarcerated MJ inmates if he wanted to, only reason not to is the political shitstorm it would set off in Congress.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
80. FDA drug classification is under the jurisdiction of the FDA
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 05:46 AM
Jul 2015

Though for cannabis petition has to be filed to the DEA (aka Intelligence front)

Removal of cannabis from Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act

The Controlled Substances Act provides a process for rescheduling controlled substances by petitioning the Drug Enforcement Administration. The first petition under this process was filed in 1972 to allow cannabis to be legally prescribed by physicians. The petition was ultimately denied after 22 years of court challenges, although a pill form of cannabis' psychoactive ingredient, THC, was rescheduled in 1985 to allow prescription under schedule II. In 1999 it was again rescheduled to allow prescription under schedule III. A second petition, based on claims related to clinical studies, was denied in 2001. The most recent rescheduling petition filed by medical cannabis advocates was in 2002, but was denied by the DEA in July 2011. Subsequently, medical cannabis advocacy group Americans for Safe Access filed an appeal in January 2012 with the D.C. Circuit, which was heard on 16 October 2012[1] and denied on 22 January 2013.[2] As of May 2014, 22 states and Washington D.C. have legalized the use of medical marijuana.[3] Currently, the FDA is conducting an analysis, at the request of the DEA, on whether marijuana should be downgraded, said Douglas Throckmorton, Deputy Director for Regulatory Programs at the FDA, at a congressional hearing in June 2014.[4]

<snip>

Rulemaking proceedings
Stages in rescheduling proceedings

Filing of Petition with DEA
Acceptance of Petition by DEA
Initial Review by DEA
Referral to HHS
Scientific and Medical Evaluation by HHS
HHS Report to DEA
Evaluation of Additional Information by DEA
Publication of DEA Decision
(Judicial review by the U.S. Court of Appeals)
(Public Hearing on Disputed Matters of Fact)

The United States Code, under Section 811 of Title 21,[21] sets out a process by which cannabis could be administratively transferred to a less-restrictive category or removed from Controlled Substances Act regulation altogether. The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) evaluates petitions to reschedule cannabis. However, the Controlled Substances Act gives the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), as successor agency of the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, great power over rescheduling decisions.

After the DEA accepts the filing of a petition, the agency must request from the HHS Secretary "a scientific and medical evaluation, and his recommendations, as to whether such drug or other substance should be so controlled or removed as a controlled substance." The Secretary's findings on scientific and medical issues are binding on the DEA.[22] The HHS Secretary can even unilaterally legalize cannabis: "If the Secretary recommends that a drug or other substance not be controlled, the Attorney General shall not control the drug or other substance." 21 U.S.C. § 811(b).
Factors

Unless an international treaty requires controlling a substance, the Attorney General must, in finding whether the drug meets the three criteria for placement in a particular schedule, consider the following factors:[citation needed]

The drug's actual or relative potential for abuse.
Scientific evidence of its pharmacological effect, if known.
The state of current scientific knowledge regarding the drug or other substance.
Its history and current pattern of abuse.
The scope, duration, and significance of abuse.
What, if any, risk there is to the public health.
Its psychological or physiological dependence liability.
Whether the substance is an immediate precursor of a controlled substance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_cannabis_from_Schedule_I_of_the_Controlled_Substances_Act

I'm saying he could not make a crime if he really wanted to and not to mention there is "prosecutorial discretion". Torture, perjury, crimes committed by state department agencies, etc. He can enforce federal laws as he sees fit as there is generally a focus which enforcement agencies target and not target. Federal drug laws do have mandatory minimums though for marijuana if it is less than 100 kilos (more is 10 year sentence) "not more than 10 years" less than 50 "not more than 5 years". Anything else has "not less". Usually state police handle drug enforcement but those with different state laws the DEA is choosing this (probably because they were cutting into their drug importation profits).

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
46. They pretty much have stopped going after legal medical marijuana.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:16 PM
Jul 2015

With a few exceptions.

Things are much better now than they were a few years ago.

Same thing with the legal recreational pot states. The feds are pretty much leaving them alone.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
9. Great move Obama! I am very pleased to hear this.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:00 PM
Jul 2015

You have to spend some time in a prison to begin to understand. And I don't think a visitor, free to leave, can fully appreciate it. But, spending time inside has an effect on you.

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
10. Just Incredible
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:06 PM
Jul 2015

that he's the first. None other? What were the others thinking?
They all had power of the pardon and commutation. Many or
most used it. But no visits ........... until now!

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
12. Powerful message just by going there
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:20 PM
Jul 2015

He's humanizing a forgotten population and giving their loved ones something too in the process.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
18. Announced on the same day Pope Francis visited a Bolivian prison.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:47 PM
Jul 2015

Francis has visited prison in Italy, and perhaps others that I'm not aware of.

Maybe, even subliminally, Pres. Obama or his advisors were influenced by Francis' compassionate action.

At the very least, such a visit presents good optics.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
21. "I was in prison, and you visited me."
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:58 PM
Jul 2015

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35For I was hungry, and you gave me food: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in:

36Naked, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you hungry, and fed you? or thirsty, and gave you drink?

38When saw we you a stranger, and took you in? or naked, and clothed you?

39Or when saw we you sick, or in prison, and came unto you?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Since you have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, you have done it unto me.

http://biblehub.com/kj2000/matthew/25.htm

Great thing for Obama to do. Actions speak louder than words.

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
22. "NAACP’s annual convention in Philadelphia"
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 05:59 PM
Jul 2015


Wow. I didn't realize the NAACP convention was here this year. They have been almost 24/7 with the Pope's visit in September here in Philly, so missed this as the media kept that hush hush. They are going to have to ratchet it up a bit if you have the President in town for an agenda speech. I just looked at the schedule and Bill Clinton will also be here at the convention along with Loretta Lynch.

Assuming he's at the Convention Center, he could have gone about 1/2 mile east of that location and hit a Federal Prison, which is also (ironically) diagonally across the street from the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
29. Pres. Nixonmost was almost the first. Some fancy work by GOP got the DEMs to back off a little,
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:29 PM
Jul 2015

a show of mercy that we have not been repaid.

Delmette

(522 posts)
33. Then he should visit some other prisons.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:41 PM
Jul 2015

City, county, state and private run prisons/jails. I pretty sure the is a list of the worst and best. He shouD defiantly visit the worst. Just a suggestion.

coffeenap

(3,173 posts)
35. ...Don Siegelman...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:48 PM
Jul 2015

His support team is looking for someone who can get in touch with the Vice producers--anyone have a contact?

 

Sunk in Tupelo

(66 posts)
36. That headline seems surreal.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:48 PM
Jul 2015

Seriously, has no other sitting president ever visited a prison? That can't be right. If it is, color me shocked.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
43. Same here. The money being spent alone would seem to ask for a site visit
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:19 PM
Jul 2015

Let alone the number of lives involved.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
37. If my dreams were reality, President Obama wins a third term.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:49 PM
Jul 2015

I hope he can find time to visit some other prisons, interview and unannounced.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
42. Wait. That has never happened before?
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:18 PM
Jul 2015

43 chief law enforcement officers have run the Federal prison system without a single site visit?

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
51. Kind of odd that a sitting President has never visited a prison before.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 09:25 AM
Jul 2015

They are full of sitting governors after all.

mountain grammy

(26,622 posts)
53. I'm so glad to see this. Good for Obama.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 10:30 AM
Jul 2015

Our prison system is nothing less than a gulag. 2 million prisoners, it's mind boggling. About time a sitting US president acknowledged it's existence.

NBachers

(17,117 posts)
75. Having spent a fair amount of time in the Federal system, I applaud President Obama's visit.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:06 AM
Jul 2015

Believe me, security's going to be tight, and any inmates who have contact with him will be specially screened. A lot of inmates would love to blow the whistle on things that are wrong, but they won't have the chance.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
85. If he is sincere about looking into this...
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:46 AM
Jul 2015

If he is sincere about looking into this, he will have had the security detail run an independent analysis and request prisoners that are not on the warden's list.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
77. Fairer, smarter, and most cost-effective for who is the key part
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 05:13 AM
Jul 2015

Though considering rising pressure from the population there is probably a likely effort to at-least reduce this someway which is good but I'd pay close attention to what follows.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
83. Amazed that he is the first.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:19 AM
Jul 2015

An entire population . . . forgotten. Good on Obama.

There are just some things that should not be done for profit - ever.

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