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avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 10:52 PM Jul 2015

Obama on Bill Cosby allegations: drugs and having sex without consent is rape

Source: The Guardian

“If you give a woman – or a man, for that matter, without his or her knowledge – a drug, and then have sex with that person without consent, that’s rape,” Obama said.

More than 20 women have accused Cosby, 77, of sexually assaulting them. He has never been criminally charged for such crimes.

Cosby admitted in 2005 that he had obtained quaaludes with the intention of giving them to young women with whom he wanted to have sex, according to documents obtained by the Associated Press last week.

“Any civilized country should have no tolerance for rape,” Obama said on Wednesday.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/15/obama-bill-cosby-medal-of-freedom

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Obama on Bill Cosby allegations: drugs and having sex without consent is rape (Original Post) avaistheone1 Jul 2015 OP
"Any civilized country should have no tolerance for rape." herding cats Jul 2015 #1
Even uncivilized countries should have no tolerance for rape. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #2
"without his or her knowledge" to spike a drink should have very severe consequences Sunlei Jul 2015 #3
The problem is humanity itself is not civilized. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #4
Glad he cleared that up Yupster Jul 2015 #5
Yes. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #6
Actually, consent to take the drug doesn't mean TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #7
Agreed, taking a drug or getting drunk is not consent to have sex cstanleytech Jul 2015 #10
That's where the legal system gets involved TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #12
Ya but people do stupid shit when it comes to sex, drugs and add in a celebrity to the mix? cstanleytech Jul 2015 #14
I was under the impression that Unknown Beatle Jul 2015 #8
The incident occurred when they were available. nt alphafemale Jul 2015 #9
I really like your president. Fix The Stupid Jul 2015 #11
A time traveler visits Bill Cosby in 1975 HFRN Jul 2015 #13

cstanleytech

(26,306 posts)
4. The problem is humanity itself is not civilized.
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 11:53 PM
Jul 2015

Atleast not yet anyway, when humanity is truly civilized though rape, murder, assault, child abuse, slavery, torture, theft, war and any other crime you can think of wont happen.
Of course humanity becoming civilized probably wont ever happen but I can hope.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
5. Glad he cleared that up
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 12:19 AM
Jul 2015

Did some people think it wasn't rape. Didn't realize there was a dispute over that.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,208 posts)
7. Actually, consent to take the drug doesn't mean
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 01:06 AM
Jul 2015

consent to sex. Even if the person voluntarily drank heavily or took a drug that caused severe impairment, they cannot give legal consent. It's still rape.

cstanleytech

(26,306 posts)
10. Agreed, taking a drug or getting drunk is not consent to have sex
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:12 AM
Jul 2015

and if Cosby did that to any women then he is guilty of rape.
On the other hand what if the women consented to have sex right before consenting to taking the drug that Cosby offered or otherwise becoming impaired on their own by drinking to much?

TexasBushwhacker

(20,208 posts)
12. That's where the legal system gets involved
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:51 AM
Jul 2015

But I have a hard time believing these women, most of whom were significantly younger, said "Sure Bill. You can fuck me, but can you give me something to relax?" There's the issue of saying yes, but there's also the issue of NOT being able to say STOP once the drug has made them unconscious.

cstanleytech

(26,306 posts)
14. Ya but people do stupid shit when it comes to sex, drugs and add in a celebrity to the mix?
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:54 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:49 PM - Edit history (1)

Not that much can legally can done to Cosby even in civil court for most of the cases as the statute of limitations is long gone though I think I heard of one potential one from either 2004 or 2008ish case but without evidence (or a confession) he will probably skate on it.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
8. I was under the impression that
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 03:36 AM
Jul 2015

the pharm companies quit making Quaaludes. First there was Rorer 714 and then Lemmon 714 Quaaludes. When did they come back. I'll Google it and find out.

Fix The Stupid

(948 posts)
11. I really like your president.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:32 AM
Jul 2015

You can tell when he is going 'off script' so to speak...

He said a lot of those things from the heart and meant it.

A really tough spot to be put in. Obviously he cannot say what he really wants to say, but you could tell he was genuine.

Dam.. that man has aged so much in the last 7 years... imagine the things he has seen and heard? You can tell it is taking it's toll.
 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
13. A time traveler visits Bill Cosby in 1975
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:21 PM
Jul 2015

'you're really from the future? tell me a little about it'

'well, one thing that might interest you, is that in 33 years, in 2008, we will elect the first African American President'

'that's great!'

'and in 2015, he will talk about you, Bill, in a press conference'

'what an honor!'

'he knows about the roofies, bill'

'what?'

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