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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:47 PM Jul 2015

They're No. 1: U.S. Wins Math Olympiad For First Time In 21 Years

Source: NPR

In one of this year's most intense international competitions, the United States has come out as best in the world — and this time, we're not talking about soccer.

This week, the top-ranked math students from high schools around the country went head-to-head with competitors from more than 100 countries at the International Mathematical Olympiad in Chiang Mai, Thailand. And, for the first time in more than two decades, they won.

Po-Shen Loh, a professor at Carnegie Mellon University and head coach for Team USA, says the competition is held over the course of two days. Students work on three math problems each.

"If you can even solve one question," Loh tells NPR's Arun Rath, "you're a bit of a genius."

Read more: http://www.npr.org/2015/07/18/424122249/theyre-no-1-u-s-wins-math-olympiad-for-first-time-in-21-years



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They're No. 1: U.S. Wins Math Olympiad For First Time In 21 Years (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2015 OP
Way to go kids! Moostache Jul 2015 #1
Yes, and the kid third from the left, his name is David Stoner snooper2 Jul 2015 #39
Ugh, math. They have my undying admiration. nt UtahLib Jul 2015 #2
Forget about learning languages written by man - try the language of the gods - math erronis Jul 2015 #30
Uh...five? rocktivity Jul 2015 #3
Oh my.... yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #4
and even then I cheated....... a kennedy Jul 2015 #5
Hey me too yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #7
good. eom a kennedy Jul 2015 #9
It's not -- quite -- as bad as it looks Recursion Jul 2015 #15
Oh please, not as bad as it looks? Dr. Strange Jul 2015 #22
the answer is pretty obvious... tomm2thumbs Jul 2015 #21
I learned in H.S. that problems at thi slevel have one of four answers Jimbo S Jul 2015 #36
No, it's 42 Dem_in_Nebr. Jul 2015 #23
The answer to all questions is always 42! whistler162 Jul 2015 #33
Does anyone here remember Mathcounts? forest444 Jul 2015 #6
My kids did Mathcounts. murielm99 Jul 2015 #18
Those sound like sweet memories. forest444 Jul 2015 #19
Geeks Rule! En Garde Jul 2015 #8
But not the language "Olympiad" HassleCat Jul 2015 #10
We actually live in the 3rd year of the 698th Olympiad. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #17
What changes, structural and otherwise, can white people make to get rid of racism? Any smart kids jtuck004 Jul 2015 #11
Thanks, Obama! alcibiades_mystery Jul 2015 #12
Wow, good stuff. harun Jul 2015 #13
Congrats to Team America! Sad no women on the team. nt Fla Dem Jul 2015 #14
That was my concern, too. DamnYankeeInHouston Jul 2015 #16
I thought the same thing AwakeAtLast Jul 2015 #24
congrats Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #20
Interesting article about their coach, Po-shen Loh mainer Jul 2015 #25
Wow, my hometown! Jimbo S Jul 2015 #35
His statement made me smile -- shades of Sheldon Cooper! mainer Jul 2015 #37
Not one woman. What a shame. n/t Triana Jul 2015 #26
Of course this is not exclusive but I've read that because of the difference in the way Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #27
I don't buy that. First computer programmers were Harvard mathematicians (women) Triana Jul 2015 #28
I agree with you, sex discrimination definitely comes into play as well and Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #29
I think there are some underlying differences in everyone's brain structures erronis Jul 2015 #31
Personally, I love and appreciate the differences in the way men and women think or perceive Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #32
Bullshit. alarimer Jul 2015 #40
I agree with you, sex discrimination definitely comes into play as well but Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #42
Shame comes from an intentional act seveneyes Jul 2015 #34
no kidding Snow Leopard Jul 2015 #38
yeah, nothing except lifelong socialization that math isn't for girls. alarimer Jul 2015 #41
stats I've seen don't really bear that out Snow Leopard Jul 2015 #43
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
39. Yes, and the kid third from the left, his name is David Stoner
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jul 2015


That's why he has that smirk, go potheads

erronis

(15,257 posts)
30. Forget about learning languages written by man - try the language of the gods - math
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:06 PM
Jul 2015

There is a universal truth about math, no matter what symbols have been used over the millenia. Human languages (Latin, Urdu, Swahili, etc.) all have ways of interpretation that lead to horrible conflicts and babel.

Math is not really hard. We are somehow programmed by people that haven't taken the time to understand it that it's very difficult.

Math should be as fun to recite in a coffee shop as the trivia that I hear spouted by underused minds.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
4. Oh my....
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:02 PM
Jul 2015

What on earth is that? The highest math I ever understood fully was addition and subtraction.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. It's not -- quite -- as bad as it looks
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:22 PM
Jul 2015

Ironically it's all pretty much addition and subtraction; it's a series of sums (that's the sigma thing) and of trigonometric functions. I'd assume you're supposed to convert the trigonometric functions to sums too (there's a very simple way to do that) and find ways to reduce the terms.

Dr. Strange

(25,921 posts)
22. Oh please, not as bad as it looks?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jul 2015
it's a series of sums (that's the sigma thing) and of trigonometric functions.


Surely you're just being...hyperbolic.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
21. the answer is pretty obvious...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:04 AM
Jul 2015

... to someone who has the Teacher's Edition in their hands

bwahahahahaha

forest444

(5,902 posts)
6. Does anyone here remember Mathcounts?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:15 PM
Jul 2015

I remember it well enough to say two things:

*Some of the extracurriculars in Junior High School can make it a very lonely place.

*Those kids rock. Even the "easy" problems were hard as nails.

Well done, gentlemen (now where's my calculator?).

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
18. My kids did Mathcounts.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:39 PM
Jul 2015

Including my DAUGHTERS. One of them went to Illinois Math and Science Academy.

My son competed at the state level, twice.

We had a seventh grader, a boy from our community, who won the entire tournament in DC. I love Mathcounts.

The only thing wrong with that picture? No girls!

forest444

(5,902 posts)
19. Those sound like sweet memories.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:56 PM
Jul 2015

And good point, Muriel: these news would have been ever better with at least one young lady in the team, and to some it will no doubt be used to argue the old canard that "girls aren't as good in math."

I myself know better, since my sister was always better than I was in the subject, and since the captain of our little team (some 20 years ago) was an Asian girl who ran circles around all of us guys.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
10. But not the language "Olympiad"
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jul 2015

I'm guessing they call it the "Olympiad" because somebody has copyrighted or trademarked "Olympics." An Olympiad is the four year period between Olympics. I also know the difference between gantlet and gauntlet, but don't get me started. Anyway, good job! Seeing these smiling faces makes me wish I were a math nerd. Nice going!

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
11. What changes, structural and otherwise, can white people make to get rid of racism? Any smart kids
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:54 PM
Jul 2015

wanna give this one a shot?

"He loved his work ... That's all he did. He loved solving problems, he loved the answers. But he thought the answers were the answers for everything. Wrong. All science, no philosophy.

- Real Genius

Wonder if they give them room to be good human beings?

DamnYankeeInHouston

(1,365 posts)
16. That was my concern, too.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:29 PM
Jul 2015

All White and Asian.
I like the third guy from the right: "I ain't hugging nobody."

mainer

(12,022 posts)
25. Interesting article about their coach, Po-shen Loh
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:29 PM
Jul 2015

His family was known as "Madison's first family of Math."

"As a teenager, he described math as a fun-filled hobby that would occupy him for hours at night."


http://host.madison.com/news/local/former-memorial-high-school-math-whiz-coaches-team-usa-to/article_46884065-21ce-5908-aead-3b86f5cef706.html

mainer

(12,022 posts)
37. His statement made me smile -- shades of Sheldon Cooper!
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 12:43 PM
Jul 2015

I would never have considered math a "fun-filled hobby"! I'm glad some people do.

Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
27. Of course this is not exclusive but I've read that because of the difference in the way
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:39 PM
Jul 2015

our brains are wired, men in general have an edge in mathematical skills and women have the advantage in verbal or language skills.

Another evolutionary difference is in the way we see things, again this is in general, women see color better and men are better able at distinguishing movement.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
28. I don't buy that. First computer programmers were Harvard mathematicians (women)
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:58 PM
Jul 2015

I know about the studies. I think they are likely skewed by the males who conduct them and by societal attitudes towards women. I remember Larry Summers....

The president of Harvard University, Lawrence H. Summers, who offended some women at an academic conference last week by suggesting that innate differences in sex may explain why fewer women succeed in science and math careers, stood by his comments yesterday but said he regretted if they were misunderstood.

"I'm sorry for any misunderstanding but believe that raising questions, discussing multiple factors that may explain a difficult problem, and seeking to understand how they interrelate is vitally important," Dr. Summers said in an interview.

Several women who participated in the conference said yesterday that they had been surprised or outraged by Dr. Summers's comments, and Denice D. Denton, the chancellor designate of the University of California, Santa Cruz, questioned Dr. Summers sharply during the conference, saying she needed to "speak truth to power."

Nancy Hopkins, a professor of biology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who once led an investigation of sex discrimination there that led to changes in hiring and promotion, walked out midway through Dr. Summers's remarks.

"When he started talking about innate differences in aptitude between men and women, I just couldn't breathe because this kind of bias makes me physically ill," Dr. Hopkins said. "Let's not forget that people used to say that women couldn't drive an automobile."


SOURCE: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/18/us/harvard-chief-defends-his-talk-on-women.html

I remember Brooksley Born and how she was told to STFU by Summers, Greenspan and Rubin when she correctly predicted - 10 years before it happened, the 2008 crash. She was told that she - as a woman - didn't know wtf she was talking about and that she was the problem, not the laws (or lack thereof) or the markets or Wall St.

So...excuse me if I don't buy that argument. I think it's horse puckey. The first computer programmers were women: http://eniacprogrammers.org/ - of course they were not given any credit for their work -- not until 50+years later. And it's well known that women scientists, technologists, mathematicians often don't receive recognition or credit for their contributions to science, technology, society. They are either ignored, or credit for their work is given to males.

I suspect no women would dare compete in math because they've had ground into their brains since birth that because they are female, they can't/should not try to do math or science. Our society treats women that way. They just do.

Look how female gamers are treated.

There's a LOT more going on here than some study about female vs male brains. A whole lot.



Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
29. I agree with you, sex discrimination definitely comes into play as well and
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jul 2015

I'm not suggesting one is better than the other but there are differences.



(snip)

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hope-relationships/201402/brain-differences-between-genders

Scientists generally study four primary areas of difference in male and female brains: processing, chemistry, structure, and activity. The differences between male and female brains in these areas show up all over the world, but scientists also have discovered exceptions to every so-called gender rule. You may know some boys who are very sensitive, immensely talkative about feelings, and just generally don’t seem to fit the “boy” way of doing things. As with all gender differences, no one way of doing things is better or worse. The differences listed below are simply generalized differences in typical brain functioning, and it is important to remember that all differences have advantages and disadvantages.

(snip)

These four, natural design differences listed above are just a sample of how males and females think differently. Scientists have discovered approximately 100 gender differences in the brain, and the importance of these differences cannot be overstated. Understanding gender differences from a neurological perspective not only opens the door to greater appreciation of the different genders, it also calls into question how we parent, educate, and support our children from a young age.



http://fabpedigree.com/james/mathmen.htm

http://www.poetrysoup.com/famous_poets/top_100_famous_poets.aspx

erronis

(15,257 posts)
31. I think there are some underlying differences in everyone's brain structures
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:15 PM
Jul 2015

Some of it is due to hazard, some due to genes. Hazard includes random mutations and epigenetics. Males and females do have different sets of chromosomes and different tendencies in lots of areas.

As a parent of 5 children and 4 grandchildren, 8 of which are girls and 1 is of my X persuasion, I can say that most of the females are more proficient in mathematical thinking than my one son.

Some of my children are better at spatial reasoning but worse at physical positioning. Some are better at listening and deducing and many are better at stating their minds without listening.

Eventually all of this will be mapped to the way the brain and body are put together. Until that time, I like it the way it is.

Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
32. Personally, I love and appreciate the differences in the way men and women think or perceive
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jul 2015

their reality.

Life would be most boring otherwise.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule and both genders have members that are more likely to bleed over to the other in terms of thinking and/or perceiving but that just adds more spice to life.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
40. Bullshit.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 04:57 PM
Jul 2015

Absolute nonsense.

Girls are underrepresented in STEM fields (including math) because they are socialized that "math is hard."

Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
42. I agree with you, sex discrimination definitely comes into play as well but
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jul 2015

our brains are wired differently over eons of evolution, we played different roles during pre-historic times and evolved accordingly to enhance survival of the species.

I'm not suggesting that one type of thinking or perception is better than the other but there are differences giving each gender advantages in specific fields.

I also never said this was all inclusive of every man or woman, but only a generalization based on biological differences, some members of each gender lean closer to the other.





(snip)

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hope-relationships/201402/brain-differences-between-genders

Scientists generally study four primary areas of difference in male and female brains: processing, chemistry, structure, and activity. The differences between male and female brains in these areas show up all over the world, but scientists also have discovered exceptions to every so-called gender rule. You may know some boys who are very sensitive, immensely talkative about feelings, and just generally don’t seem to fit the “boy” way of doing things. As with all gender differences, no one way of doing things is better or worse. The differences listed below are simply generalized differences in typical brain functioning, and it is important to remember that all differences have advantages and disadvantages.

(snip)

These four, natural design differences listed above are just a sample of how males and females think differently. Scientists have discovered approximately 100 gender differences in the brain, and the importance of these differences cannot be overstated. Understanding gender differences from a neurological perspective not only opens the door to greater appreciation of the different genders, it also calls into question how we parent, educate, and support our children from a young age.




http://fabpedigree.com/james/mathmen.htm

http://www.poetrysoup.com/famous_poets/top_100_famous_poets.aspx



 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
34. Shame comes from an intentional act
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 12:10 PM
Jul 2015

Do you suspect an intentional act to prevent women from participating in this event?

 

Snow Leopard

(348 posts)
38. no kidding
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 04:11 PM
Jul 2015

I wouldn't have thought it a "shame" if the entire team were women. But anyway, they get on the team via a competition, so the best (that entered) won. No bias, no shame, no ....

Good job kids!

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
41. yeah, nothing except lifelong socialization that math isn't for girls.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 05:03 PM
Jul 2015

What you take as a single event or competition is actually the result of years upon years (centuries?) of girls being excluded from math and science. Sometimes it's overt, but that is less common these days. Now, it's Barbie declaring "math is hard." Or other similarly subtle messages from society at large. From toys to clothes, you can see the bias. Boys get science and math toys (look at the toy aisles sometime), girls are encouraged to be princesses. It is blatant. It is repugnant.

So it is a great shame. And very much a product of bias.

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