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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 02:41 PM Jul 2015

Alito: Marriage Ruling Destroyed Limits

Source: TDB

Justice Samuel Alito blasted the Supreme Court’s decision that struck down prohibitions on same-sex marriage, saying in an interview with Bill Kristol that the decision effectively annihilated any sort of limits on constitutional protections. Future justices could use this “post-modern” conception of freedom to attack minimum-wage laws or, in the case of socialists, to find a right to a free college education. The court under Chief Justice Rehnquist, Alito said, had limited “liberty” under the Fourteenth Amendment as “rights that are deeply rooted in the traditions of the country. So you had to find a strong historical pedigree for this right,” Alito said. “But the Obergefell decision threw that out, did not claim that there was a strong tradition of protecting the right to same-sex marriage. This would have been impossible to find. So we are at sea, I think.”

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Alito: Marriage Ruling Destroyed Limits (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2015 OP
Samuel Alito... tomm2thumbs Jul 2015 #1
Wow. Is there a precedent for a Supreme Court Justice publicly condemning closeupready Jul 2015 #2
Sadly, this is nothing compared to Scalia's antics. Unprincipled and unconscionable. Nt JudyM Jul 2015 #13
Yup. Igel Jul 2015 #30
tough luck jerk irisblue Jul 2015 #3
alito - there's a name you don't hear much 6chars Jul 2015 #4
It's the fundamental right to marriage that the 14th Amendment protects, not just the JDPriestly Jul 2015 #5
'Zactly. He's misconstruing the opinion for purely political reasons or else he didn't understand it JudyM Jul 2015 #10
I am still amazed that any of the conservative SCOTUS judges currently sitting cstanleytech Jul 2015 #14
they learned what they needed to learn to pass the tests they needed to pass to become lawyers. unblock Jul 2015 #20
I tried to see what bar exam Alito took. It's not on Wikipedia. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #29
Its in his statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee. former9thward Jul 2015 #35
According to folklore, the toughest ones are New York and California. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #37
CA is not tough. former9thward Jul 2015 #41
Good point. It has a reputation for being hard to pass. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #46
All 9 SC Justices graduated from either Yale or Harvard Law Schools. former9thward Jul 2015 #34
I am saying i am amazed that the conservative justices managed to graduated without......help. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #38
Scalia was a law professor at the U of Chicago Law School. former9thward Jul 2015 #43
Reality is a funny thing, I say I find it amazing that Alito and the other conservative justices cstanleytech Jul 2015 #44
No this reality. former9thward Jul 2015 #45
Yes, so? cstanleytech Jul 2015 #47
So you are saying he needed help graduating law school? former9thward Jul 2015 #48
No, it doesnt. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #49
Correct - what a useless sack of skin. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #27
Total prick. onehandle Jul 2015 #6
If marriage equality leads to free college tuition... Orrex Jul 2015 #7
Douchebag is SERIOUSLY unhinged! College tuition isn't in the Constitution. Wages aren't either. Roland99 Jul 2015 #8
Neither is a license required to do those things Major Nikon Jul 2015 #18
Ah, yes...good point. Roland99 Jul 2015 #23
Douchebag is seriously butthurt. gvstn Jul 2015 #19
I thought justices were supposed to be smart... the_sly_pig Jul 2015 #9
That one is dumber than a box of rocks pscot Jul 2015 #12
Lets get this going!! Dumber than a bag of hair!! the_sly_pig Jul 2015 #16
Dumber than Donald Trump's hair! Roland99 Jul 2015 #24
No, Trumps hair is smart - always looking for new ways to embarrass him! Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #28
Democrats should have just said "No" to Samuel Alito. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #11
Well, Sam ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #15
According to this damn fool Alito, then, equality, equal opportunity and freedom are bad, and, RKP5637 Jul 2015 #17
Scalito can kiss my ass. FUCK. HIM. nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #21
Jeez, did the baby run out of diapers? Liberalagogo Jul 2015 #22
Samuel Alito ut oh Jul 2015 #25
This is the same Alito right...................... turbinetree Jul 2015 #26
What a load of crap. SoapBox Jul 2015 #31
Actually, America should be a lot more concerned about teabaggers in the Supreme Court. Gregorian Jul 2015 #32
The issue is EQUAL RIGHTS under the law. What a friggin' IDIOT!! vkkv Jul 2015 #33
Funny, Jeb Bartlet Jul 2015 #36
How did this happen? bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #39
When are these buffoons going to figure out MissMillie Jul 2015 #40
Progress is always feared by the right. Fear is all they know. olddad56 Jul 2015 #42
Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave. apnu Jul 2015 #50
He has so misunderstood the concept of what the constitution protects Warpy Jul 2015 #51
Bullshit, at one time this country had a "strong tradition" of owning slaves tularetom Jul 2015 #52
I see crying when things go against them is not just limited to the Mrs. in the Alito family. n/t Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #53
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
2. Wow. Is there a precedent for a Supreme Court Justice publicly condemning
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 02:46 PM
Jul 2015

a decision in which they were in the minority?

Even if there is a precedent, is it the kind of conduct befitting the dignity of someone who occupies a very high station in the bureaucracy of our government? Seems shameful to do this to his colleagues, IMHO.

Igel

(35,356 posts)
30. Yup.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jul 2015

It happens from time to time. It wasn't real common for many decades, even over really harsh or controversial decisions. In the last decade or so it's become more common. Ginsberg led the way. Alito followed. Nobody minded when Ginsburg did it, but she's "one of ours."

http://goodblacknews.org/2014/08/26/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-speaks-out-against-supreme-court-for-forsaking-fight-against-real-racial-problem/
Taken from Huffington Post, based on another story in a law journal. No idea what the website's like.

It's one thing to dissent, of course, but this is openly criticizing the court for reaching what she thinks is a series of stupid, wrong-headed decisions. In another such instance, her criticism was met with anything but rejection by DUers, many long established:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026180901
"I love her." "What a great human being she is." "I adore her."


It's worthwhile that for a while dissents were just dissents. Recently they've become more often blistering and caustic. It's hard to ridicule and insult those you work with and then go and work with them successfully. Just as Tsipras.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. It's the fundamental right to marriage that the 14th Amendment protects, not just the
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jul 2015

fundamental right to heterosexual marriage.

And the marriage right being protected is a civil one, not a religious one. Churches may refuse to marry anyone. The Catholic Church has refused to marry people who were previously married in the Catholic Church and then divorced. Some churches refuse to marry people who are not members of the church.

The Unitarians have been marrying in a religious ceremony LGBT people for a long time now as have some other churches.

Alito just isn't all that bright.

JudyM

(29,271 posts)
10. 'Zactly. He's misconstruing the opinion for purely political reasons or else he didn't understand it
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jul 2015

... it's a sad state of affairs ...

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
14. I am still amazed that any of the conservative SCOTUS judges currently sitting
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 03:01 PM
Jul 2015

graduated law school let alone passed the bar, surely there was $$$ involved somewhere that allowed that to happen lol

unblock

(52,317 posts)
20. they learned what they needed to learn to pass the tests they needed to pass to become lawyers.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 03:09 PM
Jul 2015

that doesn't mean they took any of those lessons to heart.

mostly, they learned the jargon and language conventions as well as the reference points, all of which they use to simply dress up their political bias in the form of legal opinion.

former9thward

(32,074 posts)
41. CA is not tough.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:05 PM
Jul 2015

The reason they have a high failure rate is that they let anyone take it even if the 'law school' they went to is unaccredited. Other states limit to ABA accredited law schools. I don't know about NY.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
46. Good point. It has a reputation for being hard to pass.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:26 PM
Jul 2015

I was judging by the pass/fail rate. I did not know that other states only allow graduates of ABA approved schools to take their exams. Interesting.

former9thward

(32,074 posts)
34. All 9 SC Justices graduated from either Yale or Harvard Law Schools.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 05:51 PM
Jul 2015

The top two law schools in the country. Are you saying they take money to graduate students? That the bar exam administrators take bribes to falsify scores? Please be clear.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
38. I am saying i am amazed that the conservative justices managed to graduated without......help.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:17 PM
Jul 2015

Lots and lots of it and the same with passing the bar.

former9thward

(32,074 posts)
43. Scalia was a law professor at the U of Chicago Law School.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:11 PM
Jul 2015

The top school in the Midwest. You may disagree with his decisions but to say he is not smart is just not reality. No progressive attorney would say such a thing but others may differ.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
44. Reality is a funny thing, I say I find it amazing that Alito and the other conservative justices
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:21 PM
Jul 2015

managed to graduate from law school and pass the bar and in another reality I must have said in this thread that Scalia is not smart.

former9thward

(32,074 posts)
45. No this reality.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jul 2015

In posts #14 and #38 you say "conservative justices needed help graduating law school". Scalia is one of the conservative justices last time I looked.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
49. No, it doesnt.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:10 PM
Jul 2015

I said I was amazed that any of them managed to graduate law school without help I didnt say they "had" help.

Orrex

(63,223 posts)
7. If marriage equality leads to free college tuition...
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 02:56 PM
Jul 2015

Then it was an even better decision than I realized--and it was already pretty damn terrific!

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
8. Douchebag is SERIOUSLY unhinged! College tuition isn't in the Constitution. Wages aren't either.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 02:56 PM
Jul 2015

getting married should NOT be based upon merit, education, skill, etc. It's open to one and all!

Fuck this fucking douchebag bigot!!

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
18. Neither is a license required to do those things
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 03:07 PM
Jul 2015

When something is licensed by the government, it's a privilege that the government can and often does withhold in an arbitrary and capricious fashion. This ruling was landmark in that it proves the government needs to justify its actions when it withholds such privileges and the people can and will hold the government accountable for such arbitrary and capricious actions.

Alito simply proves he's a closet fascist that thumbs his nose at the rule of law and will always side with government authoritarianism as long as it satisfies his partisan ideology. We already knew that anyway.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
23. Ah, yes...good point.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 03:44 PM
Jul 2015

But he's not merely partisan. Good gawd...I can't even begin to think up the proper term for what he is, politically and religiously.

Batshit crazy will suffice for now.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. Democrats should have just said "No" to Samuel Alito.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jul 2015

Sometimes it's good to be a stubborn mule. A lot of Democrats have forgotten the significance of our mascot. We should have been stubborn about Alito. We cooperated on many other things, but Alito should have been one big "No" vote.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
17. According to this damn fool Alito, then, equality, equal opportunity and freedom are bad, and,
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 03:06 PM
Jul 2015

persecution, inequality and discrimination are lovely and are the hallmarks of a great society. How the F do ignoramuses like this end up on SCOTUS.

 

Liberalagogo

(1,770 posts)
22. Jeez, did the baby run out of diapers?
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 03:24 PM
Jul 2015

I can hear the whining and smell the stink even over the Internet.

ut oh

(899 posts)
25. Samuel Alito
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jul 2015

Non-living entites (corporations) have constitutional rights
Living entities (humans who happen to be gay) no constitutional rights for them!!


To quote Yoda:

"Mmmmm giant asshole he is...."

turbinetree

(24,713 posts)
26. This is the same Alito right......................
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 03:50 PM
Jul 2015

that mouthed the word "Not True" when Obama said that the citizens united ruling was bad and it would open the flood gates of bribery and payola in elections in a state of union address.

http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/supreme-court-justice-sam-alito-doesn

And this right wing hypocrite tool is going to sit on a ruling that will have a major impact on what happens in Unions and teachers in California and unions in general next term--------------hold on folks we have a person that makes over $190,000 a year and sides with oligarchies over 85% of the time and the rest of the time (15%) he's a b**g**t --------------great, justice is not blind with this person





Jeb Bartlet

(141 posts)
36. Funny,
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:09 PM
Jul 2015

I'm quite sure he would have said the exact same thing about he loving decision, there was no long tradition of allowing blacks to marry whites in 1967.

"So you had to find a strong historical pedigree for this right"

There was no strong historical pedigree for allowing blacks and whites to marry in 1967, exactly the opposite. Either marriage is a deeply rooted right and as such is open to all citizens or it is not and Alito is full of shit.

"I think.”

Obviously you don't Sammy, that's your problem.

bucolic_frolic

(43,277 posts)
39. How did this happen?
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jul 2015

2 Supreme Court Justices, both Roman Catholic, from a small geographic
area in Trenton-Lawrenceville NJ.

This is like two baseball players, Hall of Famers and World Series MVPs,
growing up on the same street!

Of course most nuclear physicists of WWII vintage graduated from the
same German secondary physics department, but they had specific
knowledge, not political selection.

I'm just wondering, it never made sense to me.

MissMillie

(38,578 posts)
40. When are these buffoons going to figure out
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:27 AM
Jul 2015

that this ruling doesn't trample on anyone's rights?

If a man is against marrying a man, he doesn't have to.

If a woman is against marrying a woman, she doesn't have to.



olddad56

(5,732 posts)
42. Progress is always feared by the right. Fear is all they know.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:08 PM
Jul 2015

one person's limits are another person's limitations.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
50. Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:55 PM
Jul 2015

Say what you will about Jefferson, but he envisioned a dynamic, breathing, living, government that reshaped itself to suit the needs of the people when it was necessary.

Assholes like Alito want a static government that never changes and is intractable in every way. "rights that are deeply rooted in the traditions of the country." Traditions change, as they do over time, because its the will of the people. Something the conservatives on the SCOUTS abhor.

Warpy

(111,337 posts)
51. He has so misunderstood the concept of what the constitution protects
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jul 2015

that he needs to be impeached and removed immediately.

The historical pedigree he is searching for is the ideal of equality before the law. All the marriage equality ruling did was affirm that by allowing all citizens to access the body of civil law pertaining to marriage.

He can continue to listen to the stupidest and most hateful things in the world spewed in his church. Nothing at all has affected his religious freedom in any way.

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