Iran says it won't accept curbs to nuclear program beyond 10 years
Source: Reuters
Iran will not accept any extension of sanctions relating to its nuclear program beyond 10 years, the Islamic Republics senior nuclear negotiator said on Wednesday.
Abbas Araqchi told a televised news conference that any attempt to re-impose sanctions after they expire in 10 years would breach the agreement Iran reached with six world powers one week ago.
Araqchi was referring to a resolution the United Nations Security Council passed on Monday, endorsing the deal to curb Irans nuclear program in return for relief from sanctions. The world powers suspected Iran was trying to create a nuclear bomb; Tehran said the program was peaceful.
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However, the six world powers, known as the P5+1, and the European Union told U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon earlier this month that after 10 years they planned to seek a five-year extension of the mechanism allowing sanctions to be re-imposed.
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Read more: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/iran-says-it-wont-accept-curbs-to-nuclear-program-beyond-10-years/article25624206/
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)this is simply becoming a rightwing talking point to kill the deal.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)a whole lot can happen in 10 years and perhaps all nuclear weapons will go away by then (probably not, but one can hope).
bananas
(27,509 posts)You could be right.
Aristus
(66,452 posts)We've got ten years to come up with a follow-up plan. And who knows how many of Iran's hard-liners will die during that time?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)and Republicans and the war monger ghosts of Iraq.
bananas
(27,509 posts)There is movement towards a ban on nuclear weapons worldwide.
The NPT even calls for this.
Are you in favor of that? I am.
There is also separate movement for a nuclear-free Middle East.
That would be a big step in the right direction.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Obama has laid one giant foundation stone to make a nuclear-free ME inevitable, perhaps if Israel opted for a guarantee of an American nuclear umbrella until America also gets rid of them.
The key now I think to moving forward is getting Israel to admit it has nuclear weapons, and agree to it's own inspections and in conjunction with Iran compliance on the fresh agreement, destroying those nuclear weapons.
If the Dixie Swastika can come down, anything is possible in America.
7962
(11,841 posts)With the joke of the inspections timetable allowed, Tracking iran's work will be just like whack-a-mole.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)The fact is they will have 24/7 inspection of all known parts of the nuclear program - from uranium mines to the final stage. On new suspected sites, they will have a time frame - the 24 days max - before which they can examine the expected site.
So, if they wanted to cheat, it is not all that simple - they need to covertly create an entire secret supply path.
Compare that to where we are otherwise. If the US or Iran ruins the deal, we are back to where we were when your hero went to the UN with a cartoon explaining Iran was 2 or 3 months from a nuclear weapon. We would have NO inspectors anywhere. Not to mention, if it is the US and Israel that screw up the deal, there will likely be no further negotiations (no "better" deal) and most international sanctions will end. Please tell me how this is better -- especially as the situation if the deal fails is that the sanctions snap back in
if Iran is found to have cheated -- than giving peace a chance.
7962
(11,841 posts)They've ignored almost every agreement they've ever entered into.
Why is there a 24 day window allowed when a site is suspected of violating the terms? Why cant that site be inspected immediately?
Why are inspections of military sites STILL not allowed? And if you think they are, then why would Irans leaders be saying publicly that they are not? Because without them, this is a weak deal. Why has Sec Kerry already said just yesterday that the latest statements out of Iran are "troubling"? And if sanctions are lifted instantly by this deal, how will a "snapback" clause actually be implemented if businesses are already back in country? This deal doesnt require them to actually dismantle any part of their nuclear program, like Libya had to do. Why not?
They STILL say they never had a nuke program, do you believe them?
And why is it that any opposition to a deal instantly means that war is the only other option? Sanctions have hurt Iran. Let them hurt a little longer till they make some substantial agreement.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)There are inspections of every known nuclear site and every point in the supply chain. If a military site has a known nuclear facility, that part would be under 24/7 inspection.
As to Secretary Kerry's comment, it is taken out of context -- as the right ALWAYS does. Here's a link to the full interview done for a Sunni gulf state network - http://english.alarabiya.net/en/media/inside-the-newsroom/2015/07/21/Full-transcript-of-Al-Arabiya-interview-with-Secretary-of-State-John-Kerry.html Kerry is still 100% behind the deal.
The deal does require them to roll back parts of their program. The underground facility, Fodor, will cease being used on anything that could be related to a nuclear bomb. The vast proportion of their enriched uranium will be sent out of Iran. In addition, there are many many other things that change the break out from 2 months to one year.
Why not leave the sanctions in and get a more substantial deal -- because that is a fantasy. In fact, while they were under sanctions for the Bush years and first Obama term, the number of centrifuges escalated. Per BiBi himself, it is clear that under sanctions, Iran got much closer to the ability to have a nuclear bomb. That momentum was successfully frozen by the interim agreement - which goes away if the US scuttles the deal. The rest of the world and Iran will not go back to negotiations - and international sanctions will not continue.
Note that Israeli military officials estimated that even a successful attack on their facilities would simply set Iran back 3 or so years - because they have the know how and can and will rebuild.
PLease watch Obama's appearance on Jon Stewart (or his excellent news conference). Stop to think that much of what you may be hearing is from Bibi, AIPAC and the neocons who are solidly against using diplomacy. They have been moving towards a war with Iran for years. Give peace a chance.
7962
(11,841 posts)But hey, I could be wrong. Usually I'm not, but hopefully this will be one of them. I read the Kerry interview. It doesnt change what he said nor what the Iranians said. THEY are the ones insisting that a lot of what we've been told is in the deal, actually is NOT in the deal.
My opinion has nothing to do with Israels opinion, but my own based on Irans past actions and their current statements. As I said before, not liking this agreement does not mean the only other alternative is war.
Iran gets away with a lot in this just so we can say "we got a deal"
We'll see
karynnj
(59,504 posts)You forget tat there were many - even former Republican national security leaders who praised the framework put out in April -- and this deal actually is more advantageous to the west than the framework.
The point of explaining the circumstances of the interview are the perspective that supplies. The countries it is based in are Sunni nations that were not happy with any Iran deal. The remarks of the Ayatollah ARE unacceptable and the way many parsed them is he has to keep his hard liners happy. Kerry was asked about the comments - what should he say? He has to take issue with them and - as he did - say they are disconcerting. Now, for a minute consider the comments you could have read from top US lawmakers or Israeli leaders that have been pretty intemperate about Iran. Should Iran have refused to make a deal because the Chair of teh US Senate Armed Services committee sand "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"?
7962
(11,841 posts)jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)to the same standard as everybody else who signed the NPT? why create a harsher inspection regime for them? I say the whole sanctions should be lifted, their seized asset returned up until there is evidence they are violating the original NPT agreement signed. The so called agreement is too harsh in my book.
bananas
(27,509 posts)Frankly, they got off easy.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)I want to read how they violated the original NPT agreement they signed. Thanks in advance.
7962
(11,841 posts)"If Iran is coming to say, "We're willing to abide by the non-proliferation treaty," that would be very welcome news. I have a feeling that's not what they're coming to do. I think they're coming to try to divert attention and confuse the issue. And there is no confusion. They have violated the terms of the NPT, they have been held under all kinds of restrictions and obligations that they have not complied with by the IAEA, the International Atomic Energy Agency, by the U.N. Security Council. So we're not going to permit Iran to try to change the, the story from their failure to comply and in any way upset the efforts we are in the midst of, which is to get the international community to adopt a strong Security Council resolution that further isolates them and imposes consequences for their behavior."
From an appearance on Meet the Press years ago
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/36879498/ns/meet_the_press#.Va_OI2RViko
karynnj
(59,504 posts)That comment was from 2010 and was part of her effort to get more sanctions in place.
7962
(11,841 posts)Not whether or not she agrees with this agreement
6chars
(3,967 posts)We really don't know what will happen. Statements about this will happen, that will happen are not credible if they don't acknowledge that. This is true about people championing the deal and about people opposing the deal. It would be more credible for people to say what they expect and why but to also leave open the possibility that they will be surprised.
7962
(11,841 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)These articles all have references to legitimate sources.
Note that the NPT requires members to comply with the IAEA and UNSCC.
Iran Violated International Obligations on Qom Facility
James M. Acton Proliferation Analysis September 25, 2009
Update: On 30 September, speaking in New Delhi, the IAEA Director General confirmed that Iran has violated its obligations.[1]
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IAEA: Iran broke law by not revealing nuclear facility
September 30, 2009
NEW DELHI, India (CNN) -- Iran broke international law by not disclosing sooner its recently revealed uranium enrichment site, the head of the United Nation's nuclear watchdog agency said.
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"Iran has been on the wrong side of the law in so far as to inform the agency at an earlier date," ElBaradei told CNN's sister station in India, CNN-IBN. "Iran was supposed to inform us on the day it was decided to construct the facility. They have not done that."
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United Nations Security Council Resolution 1696
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1696, adopted on July 31, 2006, after expressing concern at the intentions of the nuclear programme of Iran, the Council demanded that Iran halt its uranium enrichment programme.[1]
Resolution 1696 was adopted by 14 votes in favour to one against (Qatar) and no abstentions.[2] Qatar said that while it agreed with the demands of the resolution, it was not the right timing as the "region was in flames".[3]
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Board of Governors concluded in September 2005 that Iran had not complied with its safeguards agreement and that its nuclear program raised questions within the competence of the Security Council. In February 2006, the IAEA Board reported those conclusions to the Security Council, after it determined that Iran had not provided sufficient clarification of its nuclear intentions.[4]
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1737 was unanimously passed by the United Nations Security Council on 23 December 2006.[1]
The resolution, sponsored by France, Germany and the United Kingdom,[2] imposed sanctions against Iran for failing to stop its uranium enrichment program following resolution 1696. It banned the supply of nuclear-related technology and materials and froze the assets of key individuals and companies related to the enrichment program. It took place two months after the creation of a draft-resolution, which was amended several times after objections from Russia and China.[3] These objections were evident, as it took a last minute call from Russian President Vladimir Putin to U.S. President George W. Bush to finalise the vote.[4] The resolution came after Iran rejected economic incentives put forward by the permanent five members of the Security Council plus Germany for Iran to halt its nuclear enrichment programme.
Iran is a party to the NPT but was found in non-compliance with its NPT safeguards agreement and the status of its nuclear program remains in dispute. In November 2003 IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei reported that Iran had repeatedly and over an extended period failed to meet its safeguards obligations, including by failing to declare its uranium enrichment program.[22] After about two years of EU3-led diplomatic efforts and Iran temporarily suspending its enrichment program,[69] the IAEA Board of Governors, acting under Article XII.C of the IAEA Statute, found in a rare non-consensus decision with 12 abstentions that these failures constituted non-compliance with the IAEA safeguards agreement.[23] This was reported to the UN Security Council in 2006,[70] after which the Security Council passed a resolution demanding that Iran suspend its enrichment.[71] Instead, Iran resumed its enrichment program.[72]
The IAEA has been able to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran, and is continuing its work on verifying the absence of undeclared activities.[73] In February 2008, the IAEA also reported that it was working to address "alleged studies" of weaponization, based on documents provided by certain Member States, which those states claimed originated from Iran. Iran rejected the allegations as "baseless" and the documents as "fabrications."[74] In June 2009, the IAEA reported that Iran had not cooperated with the Agency in connection with the remaining issues ... which need to be clarified to exclude the possibility of military dimensions to Iran's nuclear program.[75]
The United States concluded that Iran violated its Article III NPT safeguards obligations, and further argued based on circumstantial evidence that Iran's enrichment program was for weapons purposes and therefore violated Iran's Article II nonproliferation obligations.[76] The November 2007 US National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) later concluded that Iran had halted an active nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003 and that it had remained halted as of mid-2007. The NIE's "Key Judgments," however, also made clear that what Iran had actually stopped in 2003 was only "nuclear weapon design and weaponization work and covert uranium conversion-related and uranium enrichment-related work"-namely, those aspects of Iran's nuclear weapons effort that had not by that point already been leaked to the press and become the subject of IAEA investigations.[77]
Since Iran's uranium enrichment program at Natanzand its continuing work on a heavy water reactor at Arak that would be ideal for plutonium productionbegan secretly years before in conjunction with the very weaponization work the NIE discussed and for the purpose of developing nuclear weapons, many observers find Iran's continued development of fissile material production capabilities distinctly worrying. Particularly because fissile material availability has long been understood to be the principal obstacle to nuclear weapons development and the primary "pacing element" for a weapons program, the fact that Iran has reportedly suspended weaponization work may not mean very much.[78] As U.S. Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell has put it, the aspects of its work that Iran allegedly suspended were thus "probably the least significant part of the program."[79]
happyslug
(14,779 posts)P5 means the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, US, Uk, France, Russia and China. +1 means Germany.
Russia and China both have good reasons to get the sanctions off Iran thus I do NOT see them agreeing this this position. P5+1 is a group that does NOT decide by Majority rule, but by consensus, and given Russia's and China's position, there can be no consensus on this issue.
This is thus either a US or US and UK talking point, not something real, given the cite is from the "Globe and Mail" it sounds like a US and UK talking point.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Note that it does not itself reimpose sanctions, nor has anyone said that everyone will agree to it in 10 years. Whether or not it is even an issue with anyone 10 years from now can't be predicted.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)Even if any one of the Six members and reimpose the sanctions, NONE of them will do so without at least talking to the others, and that means talking to Russia and China and their objections.
On top of this you have Germany, will the German vote to reimpose sanctions, if they main fuel supplier, the Russians say NO? The talk is any one of the six can reimpose the sanctions but that is NOT how the Security Council works, the Security Council gives each member a veto, thus unless this is OUTSIDE THE UN TREATY, Russia and China still retain their veto.