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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:43 AM Jul 2015

Keystone pipeline’s fate to be decided during Obama’s term

Source: AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
30 JUL 2015 AT 08:40 ET

President Barack Obama plans to decide before leaving office whether to approve the controversial Keystone XL pipeline that would send Canadian crude oil to US refineries.

Eric Schultz, a White House spokesman, said Wednesday that the issue will be resolved before January 2017.

“That approval process is being handled on the merits,” he told reporters.

The 1,179-mile (1,900-kilometer) TransCanada-built pipeline would transport crude from oil sands in energy-rich Alberta province to a network of pipelines that reach across the United States to the shores of the Gulf of Mexico.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/keystone-pipelines-fate-to-be-decided-during-obamas-term/

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Keystone pipeline’s fate to be decided during Obama’s term (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2015 OP
Though many is not for the Keystone, I find a larger issue with the current ethod of transportation. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #1
So stop transporting it. We dont need it. WDIM Jul 2015 #9
What a tragedy if that approval is his legacy Divernan Jul 2015 #2
Petro Corps Red1 Jul 2015 #3
Gee. I wonder how he will decide? Hoppy Jul 2015 #4
Which makes that question posed to Hillary Clinton that everyone is gnashing their teeth about... George II Jul 2015 #5
Hillary siding with the pollution profiteers is not a faux issue. nt WDIM Jul 2015 #10
Don't try WDIM JackInGreen Jul 2015 #12
not really karynnj Jul 2015 #15
"It's being handled on its merits" = approved. SolutionisSolidarity Jul 2015 #6
The President has already vetoed the bill approving construction of the pipeline earlier this year still_one Jul 2015 #13
So, since we know it's going to be done before he leaves office JackInGreen Jul 2015 #7
Yes, the latter because, contrary to your ability to foretell what the President is going DonViejo Jul 2015 #8
Ok ok JackInGreen Jul 2015 #11
The question is moot until he decides. If he decides for the deal there is nothing the next still_one Jul 2015 #14
This way it's off the table for Hillary flamingdem Jul 2015 #16
Well of course it was.... Historic NY Jul 2015 #19
Oh, oh. Like the issue of climate change will somehow go away if when we just say it doesn't jwirr Jul 2015 #17
The suspense is killing me. CharlotteVale Jul 2015 #18
Even if he disapproves it, I doubt that will end the issue. Things have a way of popping razorman Jul 2015 #20

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. Though many is not for the Keystone, I find a larger issue with the current ethod of transportation.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:51 AM
Jul 2015

There has been several incidences with the rail transportation and on rails near cities and homes. It is a big danger.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
9. So stop transporting it. We dont need it.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:39 AM
Jul 2015

A fossil fuel free world is where we need to be. Ending fossil fuels should of begun 20 years ago. The technology is already here and it can be affordable. Fossil fuels are antiquated.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
2. What a tragedy if that approval is his legacy
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:56 AM
Jul 2015

Every spill, every leak, every explosion, every water table destroyed, will provoke many bitter "Thank You, Obama!" responses. That pipeline will be an albatross around the necks of all future Democratic candidates.

The upside for Obama, if he approves it, will be long term gratitude from Big Energy, and all the many lucrative ways that can be conveyed to him.

 

Red1

(351 posts)
3. Petro Corps
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:04 AM
Jul 2015

Have no credibility on maintenance..safety..management/leadership skills..
And why would they? Puppets..Retiring in gated community's..ignoring messes
they've created.

George II

(67,782 posts)
5. Which makes that question posed to Hillary Clinton that everyone is gnashing their teeth about...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:11 AM
Jul 2015

....essentially moot.

Another faux issue in the dumpster.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
12. Don't try WDIM
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:44 AM
Jul 2015

Even if it's friendly inquiry or a statement of fact, these folks don't want to hear or see anything but the suns rise, straight out of her butt, with no interruptions for the facts that it don't come out of there.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
15. not really
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jul 2015

It could be seen both as a test for what she would do if she was president now and the reality is that an Obama no could be reversed by the new President. It is harder to reverse a yes.

Here, you have an issue that HRC has studied well from her days as SoS. Note she had no problem telling Atlantic magazine that she would have done more in Syria. That makes her reluctance here seem to be based more on this issue being contentious. A yes could hurt in the primaries and a no might hurt in the general.

Think back to any prior election, the question what would you personally do on anything is very common as a question.

6. "It's being handled on its merits" = approved.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:14 AM
Jul 2015

We already know from the state department report what the Obama administration thinks about the merits of this project. It's funny watch the Democratic Party manage all the ways they fuck their supporters. They've strung this out long enough; Obama is not on the ballot so he no longer has to pretend to care about climate change.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
13. The President has already vetoed the bill approving construction of the pipeline earlier this year
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:59 AM
Jul 2015

and congress could not override the veto, so the result is not as much of a slam dunk as you suggest.
I am not saying he won't, I am saying that it is really a wild card.

The majority of Americans want the pipeline approved, however, that does not mean the president will, and there have been issues where he has made his decision independent of the polls.

"...Republican Senator John Hoeven said a presidential decision could come soon.

"Sources tell me that after almost seven years, President Obama is going to turn down the Keystone Pipeline project," he said Tuesday on the Senate floor."

http://news.yahoo.com/keystone-pipelines-fate-decided-during-obamas-term-011753634.html

If Obama approves the pipeline, it will be very difficult to undo no matter who is President, however, if the President does NOT approve the pipeline, which is a real possibility, the next President will definitely have to deal with this issue again, because it is sure to be brought up again.

I will be curious if you will acknowledge you were wrong if the President rejects the pipeline.

What people should do in the meantime is contact their representatives in Congress, and the President, and let their feelings be known.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
7. So, since we know it's going to be done before he leaves office
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:15 AM
Jul 2015

does that mean that Hillary can finally answer the question on her views about it, or does it release her from the question?
If the latter, why?

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
8. Yes, the latter because, contrary to your ability to foretell what the President is going
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:28 AM
Jul 2015

to do, few others have that ability and she said she would release her position afterwards. But, you already know that.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
11. Ok ok
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:42 AM
Jul 2015

pull your jockies out from up there and take a breath man. If she doesn't want to answer that's cool, that's an answer on its own, whatever Obama does.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
14. The question is moot until he decides. If he decides for the deal there is nothing the next
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:05 AM
Jul 2015

President can do to undo it. However, if President Obama rejects the pipeline, which is a very real possibility, contrary to the leaps many on DU are making, the next President definitely will determine its fate, and Hillary will answer after the President has decided. Because she was SOS under this administration she is correctly not voicing her opinion before the President's decision I believe. I am well aware others on DU disagree with that view.

Consider this:

"Republican Senator John Hoeven said a presidential decision could come soon.

"Sources tell me that after almost seven years, President Obama is going to turn down the Keystone Pipeline project," he said Tuesday on the Senate floor."

http://news.yahoo.com/keystone-pipelines-fate-decided-during-obamas-term-011753634.html

In the fullness of time we will know

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
17. Oh, oh. Like the issue of climate change will somehow go away if when we just say it doesn't
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jul 2015

exist. The aquifer will be there after Jan. 2017. And so will the tarsands oil. Look how long it took them to get a permit to drill in the Artic.

I want Hillary to answer the question.




razorman

(1,644 posts)
20. Even if he disapproves it, I doubt that will end the issue. Things have a way of popping
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:26 PM
Jul 2015

back up. I think there is a good chance that his successor will have to deal with this, too. If he approves it, though, it will be impossible to stop, once it gets rolling.

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