And he doesn't consider himself a establishment

Would you like a cup?

yes love some feel the bern

him of being establishment. Obviously, one can make the point that anyone elected to the US Congress or mayor of a town, no matter how small is not a nobody. However, where BOTH Clintons and Joe Biden were often mentioned as a potential future Presidents, no one really expected Sanders to have a chance.

In fact, the significance of Biden even being talked about is coming from some fear that many who fear HRC COULD implode and who are looking for someone who is someone who is mainstream. In some ways, the need for someone like him really suggests O'Malley is not filling that role.

Note HRC has been the front runner far ahead of everyone for over 2 years. The biggest thing that has deteriorated is her favorable ratings. So, far that is limited to independents shifting.

Her unfavorable ratings have gone up because of non-scandals erroneously presented by the media. When the truth is out, her unfavorable ratings would drop.


Huffington Post's latest poll showed this:

HRC
Unfavorable 48.1%
Favorable 43.8%

Jeb Bush
Unfavorable 46.7%
Favorable 33.1%

Bernie Sanders
Favorable 36.4%
Unfavorable 32.5%

Donald Trump
Unfavorable 59.2%
Favorable 34.0%


Don't keep rehashing the memes of "HRC might implode" and "her unfavorable ratings are high"

...MUCH higher than anyone else's.

I've said this more than once - the Primary and General Election ballots don't have "favorability" or "unfavorability", just the office for which she's running. When it comes down to that, she's got a HUGE advantage.

However, you can't deny that there is a bad trend in both unfavorable and favorable. It precedes the NYT screw up. Not to mention, no matter how many defenses are posted, she screwed up badly with her stupid email.

Incidentially, most of my opinion on that comes from WH and SD daily briefings. Obviously neither spokesperson is out to embarrass HRC.

My hope is the Republicans pick a nominee with as many problems so the Independents who are currently not happy with HRC will have to choose between her and a Republican they also fail to see positively.

the orchaestrated hunting of Hillary.

http://hillarybook.nationalmemo.com/

and NYT's vendetta and unprofessionalism over 20 years trying to cut down the Clintons.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/18/the-numbers-behind-maureen-dowds-21-year-long-c/199752

All the evil RW and the NYT being unfair to her, there are things she did that caused this.

In fact, the ERROR in the NYT report likely helped her because without that the story would have not been as dramatic as criminal investigation, but it would have the concern of two IG s.

Not to mention, it fits smack in the middle of the convention wisdom concerning Clinton.

congress that tends to be on the side of the people more than the rest.

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And they place him on Senate committees in line with his standing with the Democratic caucus. Very much establishment. He is not off somewhere by himself.

Democrat, and he gets placed on Senate committees. But the very fact that he did not
join the Democratic Party showed that he also was maintaining a certain distance. He
never accepted financial assistance from Wall Street right until the present time. He is
letting people know that he is not for sale to anybody. I believe Democrats placed him
on Senate committees because they trusted his voting record - which speaks for itself.
It's possible that he might have been a Democrat at one time and then changed to
become an Independent - but I'm not sure.

In order to run for the Presidency without starting a Third Party (which would split the
Democrat Party) he showed his good faith by joining them. Of course, it was also more
advantageous for him to run as a Democrat. And the Dems. do accept him.

just like most other bullshit artists.

Few Congressmen/senators were more often described as nice.

Any more questions, or am I free to go?

website and yet you grudgingly like only one Democrat.

I'm sure it will add up to something someday, and then you can.....POUNCE!

one of the architects of the Mandatory Minimum Sentences and the disparate sentences for crack cocaine. No thanks.

he has the public stage as a presidential candidate.

Win or lose, Bernie helps set the tone & bring forward "The peoples" issues.

still can't figure out how VP Biden went to mexico last year, met with several SA/CA and Mexican leaders and stopped the flow of children at the border. And shut down the train transport system, that has been in use for decades to ride to the border.

+1.

But, he will get a pass on DU because he has been deified.

Biden has accomplished far far more in the Senate than Bernie who could comfortably grand-stand extreme positions with no political cost because the small white state of Vermont would always reliably reelect him.

Things are tougher for senators from large, diverse states.

Vermont is 94.4% white

Delaware is 65.3% white. Delaware is definitely far more diverse and thus no vote for a Delaware senator is a "safe" vote.

I won't see any of your responses from now on so please don't bother.

When faced with logic, they run .........

But I'm voting for Bernie.

If Bernie were not running, then I'd probably be as ambivilent about the Democratic candidates as I was in 2008 and then vote for Biden.

Fortunately, this election cycle, I have a candidate I can support enthusiastically. I'm sorry, Joe. I love you like a brother, but Bernie's my man!

If I were a Senator and I co-sponsored a bill designed to make it more difficult for poor people to seek and procure the protection of the federal government in civil disputes, you'd expect me to be a Republican, but no, in this case, it was Joe Biden who co-sponsored and helped pass bankruptcy 'reform' in 2005, resulting in just THAT. He helped make life more challenging for poor people or middle class people who had fallen on hard times.

He did it once, and he'd do it again.

It's still Hillary's oyster of course but having Joe in the race would at least make the debates less painful to watch . . . in fact it would make the whole thing exciting again. Go Joe!

I can't begin to express how much this crud pisses me off. Nobody seems to realize what Bernie did. He said he LIKES Biden. He said he won't go after Hillary. Anyone with sense can see Bernie isn't happy with the status quo. We know we live in a world that isn't equal. Bernie has been doing what democrats are supposed to do. Bring power to the people.
But no, he does something different in politics and waah waah waah. I was just listening to his feelings about iris or whatever that terrorist group is called. Jesus Christ, someone who doesn't want us to get involved in endless war! Someone who GETS it. I have every intention to put that man in the white house. I don't give a tinker's damn if he isn't perfect. Hillary isn't. Obama isn't.
We need someone in that chair who honestly is for change. He is. I like Biden too, and if he or Hillary get the nomination I'll vote for them, but our own party is rinse and repeat and I'm sick of people who whinge and don't think about what will happen if the repulsivecans win this.

Bernie is doing and saying what for years the democrats should have been doing and saying. Fighting back. I don't want Hillary in, I don't care for her style, but to prevent the republicans from destroying all of us, I will vote for her. The country is what matters to me, and Bernie has been speaking for people without voices. What's more important? Keeping up this ludicrous Bernie vs Hillary crud, or saving our country from the total horrible shit the republicans want to do to us. I think Bernie is better, but you won't see me engaged in this dog eat dog crap.
Eyes on the prize, getting one of us in there and preventing those crazy bastards from becoming the next Hitler, because believe me, that's the future if we lose. Endless rascism, endless corrosion of human rights, endless murder of our men and women in the service, tyranny, virtual slavery, it's endless