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inanna

(3,547 posts)
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:40 PM Aug 2015

Presence of armed militia group in Ferguson raises anger

Source: Associated Press

Published on Wed Aug 12 2015

FERGUSON, MO.—The return of an armed militia group patrolling the streets of Ferguson drew criticism Tuesday from both protesters and the county police chief overseeing security amid ongoing demonstrations marking the anniversary of 18-year-old Michael Brown’s shooting death.

St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said the overnight presence of the Oath Keepers, wearing camouflage bulletproof vests and openly carrying rifles and pistols on West Florissant Avenue, the hub of marches and protests for the past several days, was “both unnecessary and inflammatory.”

Belmar plans to ask county prosecutor Bob McCulloch about the legality of armed patrols by the far-right anti-government activist group, which largely comprises past and present members of the military, first responders and police officers. But Missouri law allows anyone with a concealed carry permit to openly display a firearm anywhere in the state.

Read more: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/08/12/presence-of-armed-militia-group-in-ferguson-raises-anger.html

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Presence of armed militia group in Ferguson raises anger (Original Post) inanna Aug 2015 OP
This is creepy .. ananda Aug 2015 #1
How to stop them? knightmaar Aug 2015 #15
I'm pretty sure that does make a difference. ananda Aug 2015 #18
It makes a big difference awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #54
Those goobers should have been run in for menacing Warpy Aug 2015 #2
They can't be bothering the police too much Kelvin Mace Aug 2015 #3
The police are probably brothers with these aholes, and are also afraid of them. erronis Aug 2015 #31
Why don't minority groups carry assault rifles around with bulletproof vests? Democat Aug 2015 #4
Because they know the police would be likely to shoot them on the spot. phantom power Aug 2015 #14
You remember the old Black Panthers are gone daybranch Aug 2015 #39
it is time to get organized Supersedeas Aug 2015 #57
concealed carry permits could inherently require permits for assembly, IMO zazen Aug 2015 #5
I guess they ran out of M$M coverage at the Bundy ranch. blackspade Aug 2015 #6
Racist gun fanciers parading around as if it's apartheid South Africa. Hoyt Aug 2015 #7
They're this century's Slave Patrols: freshwest Aug 2015 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #8
Provide a credible citation of your statement Tempest Aug 2015 #25
+1 BeanMusical Aug 2015 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #36
So you lied Tempest Aug 2015 #42
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Weaseling out of your original statement, I see Tempest Aug 2015 #47
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #49
Another example of how to (not) to hijack a discussion. Give us some proof. erronis Aug 2015 #32
+1000. I smell a paid troll. Paladin Aug 2015 #34
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Whatever. (nt) Paladin Aug 2015 #40
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Being a liar (which I proved you were) is a sure sign Tempest Aug 2015 #44
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You made it about you when you lied Tempest Aug 2015 #48
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He's lying and trying to stir up trouble Tempest Aug 2015 #43
It's absurd JackInGreen Aug 2015 #10
Our Future Gestapo- ruffburr Aug 2015 #11
If you are using open carry laws soley to frighten people - that should be against the law. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #12
I believe the term is SCVDem Aug 2015 #21
Yes it is. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #23
Because they are white. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #55
I fear TPTB are teeing up a race war. n/t FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #13
Looks like they are trying to provoke one. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #17
and here we have a textbook example of white privilage... Amimnoch Aug 2015 #16
"The open hypocrisy of what is and isn't accepted is palpable and disgusting." passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #29
I'd heard the "Oath Keepers" were in camo, so I figured, "Fair enough. The cops just can't see them Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2015 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #51
I hope people are disturbed by this FLPanhandle Aug 2015 #19
"Belmar plans to ask county prosecutor Bob McCulloch about the legality of armed patrols" Jack Rabbit Aug 2015 #20
I thought vigilantism was against the law. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #24
That might depend on the temperment of the local DA Jack Rabbit Aug 2015 #35
They used to wear a different attire BeanMusical Aug 2015 #22
Exactly. Vinca Aug 2015 #26
We've all been waiting for this passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #27
Were any black men TeddyR Aug 2015 #52
Did you read the article? passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #53
Of course not awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #56
These guys VA_Jill Aug 2015 #30
Would be nice if U.S. would create another military and call it the Tea Partiers or something. Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Aug 2015 #37

knightmaar

(748 posts)
15. How to stop them?
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 02:13 PM
Aug 2015

Well, in California, they had roving groups of people with assault rifles. When the general populace found this disturbing, California passed a law (back in the 70s or whatever) to get rid of open-carry.

Although I think, at the time, the people walking around with guns were black.

Not sure if that makes a difference.

ananda

(28,876 posts)
18. I'm pretty sure that does make a difference.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 02:28 PM
Aug 2015

But I don't care who they are ... guns really creep me out.

And militia groups.. don't even get me started.

Warpy

(111,336 posts)
2. Those goobers should have been run in for menacing
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:44 PM
Aug 2015

which is exactly what they were doing and they knew it.

erronis

(15,328 posts)
31. The police are probably brothers with these aholes, and are also afraid of them.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:44 PM
Aug 2015

It's much easier to intimidate an unarmed POC than try to engage in a shootout with a lunatic wearing body armor.

And then, the police generally descend from that same branch of the primate tree....

Democat

(11,617 posts)
4. Why don't minority groups carry assault rifles around with bulletproof vests?
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:53 PM
Aug 2015

When other religions started demanding the right to give prayers in school and in government, the right wing decided maybe prayer in those places wasn't a good idea.

The fastest way to get republicans to support gun control is for black Americans to exercise their right to open carry assault rifles through the streets while wearing bullet proof vests.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
14. Because they know the police would be likely to shoot them on the spot.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:48 PM
Aug 2015

Not that I disagree with your larger point (since it is true), but even kevlar vests don't actually make you bullet proof.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
39. You remember the old Black Panthers are gone
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 05:07 PM
Aug 2015

and you know the police shot them right. Today we have the new black panthers because police shoot black guys carrying guns with little or no provocation. Martin Luther King Jr. recognized the power of peaceful protest. Black Panthers did not, they were blamed for many crimes, most probably unfairly,. This with their being viewed as having menacing behavior with their carrying guns and running gunbattles with police led to laws against open carry in California . It also lead to public opinion supporting police killings of these black men and women.
Anyone outside of police carrying a gun into public places creeps me out and creates a fear. For that reason alone I do not support open carry. And do not forget two wrongs do not make a right no matter if both races do it.

zazen

(2,978 posts)
5. concealed carry permits could inherently require permits for assembly, IMO
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:57 PM
Aug 2015

Well, I wish we didn't have concealed carry at all, but it seems reasonable to me to apply restrictions on freedom of assembly to three of more persons. Otherwise you're going to see militia pop up on public venues all over the place.

If they want to assemble on their own property, we can't stop that, apparently, but on public sidewalks and streets?

Do we not have the right to prevent self-assembled militias competing with the police force we're already trying to better regulate?

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
6. I guess they ran out of M$M coverage at the Bundy ranch.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:01 PM
Aug 2015


RW terrorists 'patrolling' Black neighborhoods...what could go wrong?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. They're this century's Slave Patrols:
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:33 PM
Aug 2015


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_patrol

The parallels are obvious, just change the names, and that is what it is. The gun culture is fed by this.

Response to inanna (Original post)

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
25. Provide a credible citation of your statement
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:22 PM
Aug 2015

That the Black Panthers have shown up in Ferguson carrying machine guns and standing off against the oath keepers.

Response to Tempest (Reply #25)

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
42. So you lied
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 05:43 PM
Aug 2015

The Black Panthers (who have nothing to do with the New Black Panthers) never showed up at the same time or place as white supremacists and had a stand off. Anywhere.

The others are right about you.

Response to Tempest (Reply #42)

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
47. Weaseling out of your original statement, I see
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 05:50 PM
Aug 2015

The larger point is that you were caught lying and now have no credibility.

Response to Tempest (Reply #47)

erronis

(15,328 posts)
32. Another example of how to (not) to hijack a discussion. Give us some proof.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:48 PM
Aug 2015

Or are you just spouting talking points?

If you are actually being paid to do this type of pollution, don't you personally feel a bit dirty about it? Are the $s that you make at your shill job worth the loss of your personal self esteem?

I apologize if you are a real person with real knowledge about the events. But unless we hear differently, you are a shill.

Response to Paladin (Reply #34)

Response to Paladin (Reply #40)

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
44. Being a liar (which I proved you were) is a sure sign
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 05:46 PM
Aug 2015

And his post is still there so apparently the judges don't agree with you.

Response to Tempest (Reply #44)

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
48. You made it about you when you lied
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 05:52 PM
Aug 2015

Stick to being truthful and you won't get called out.

"What do you think about the fact that these groups are doing this, I'm curious?"

Stick to being curious. You lost all credibility and deserve nothing from me.

Response to Tempest (Reply #48)

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
43. He's lying and trying to stir up trouble
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 05:44 PM
Aug 2015

See my response to his link. It had nothing to do with what he originally said.

ruffburr

(1,190 posts)
11. Our Future Gestapo-
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:41 PM
Aug 2015

These guys are the future if you vote republican or third way democrats in, They are having wet dreams hoping for their chance to kill someone , anyone , Start a race war is their primary goal, Then move on to Hispanics Then the poor , Then anyone who does not conform or has different beliefs, If in doubt read "They Thought they were Free" by Milton Meyer.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
12. If you are using open carry laws soley to frighten people - that should be against the law.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:47 PM
Aug 2015

If you build an active militia out of people with open carry and stand in the streets "monitoring for trouble" that should be against the law.

Anyone actually know the laws in Missouri?

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
17. Looks like they are trying to provoke one.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 02:20 PM
Aug 2015

We know the outcome would result in a complete breakdown of society. Democracy would be a thing of the past.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
16. and here we have a textbook example of white privilage...
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 02:19 PM
Aug 2015

Perfectly okay and a citizen exercising his god given "merican" right to the 2nd Amendment.


"Scary thugs"

Just for a second, imagine the minority PEACEFUL protestors who are sick and tired of being victimized by the law were to arm themselves openly like these militia.

The open hypocrisy of what is and isn't accepted is palpable and disgusting.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
33. I'd heard the "Oath Keepers" were in camo, so I figured, "Fair enough. The cops just can't see them
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:51 PM
Aug 2015

because of their awesome camouflaging garb."

But no camo on this dude. Unless.....No! Call me crazy, but could it be these guys have something on their bodies that acts as camouflage? Something else that makes a dude with an assault rifle invisible to LEOs?

Hmmmmm. Let me ponder this. I'm sure I can figure it out....

Response to Amimnoch (Reply #16)

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
20. "Belmar plans to ask county prosecutor Bob McCulloch about the legality of armed patrols"
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 02:46 PM
Aug 2015

McCallough will convene the Grand Jury and take three months to present evidence of a serious crime problem in Ferguson that justifies armed patrols by white punks on crystal meth.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
27. We've all been waiting for this
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:30 PM
Aug 2015
But Missouri law allows anyone with a concealed carry permit to openly display a firearm anywhere in the state.


Seems it's OK for white men to do this in parking lots, stores, restaurants, and a cattle ranch and BLM land and highways...but when black men do it, all of a sudden it's too damned scary.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
53. Did you read the article?
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 07:08 PM
Aug 2015

I'm talking about responses here, but also the reaction in Ferguson.

drew criticism Tuesday from both protesters and the county police chief


Belmar plans to ask county prosecutor Bob McCulloch about the legality of armed patrols by the far-right anti-government activist group


Would the police chief responded this way over a group of white guys protesting gun rights by carrying assault weapons in a local restaurant?
37. Would be nice if U.S. would create another military and call it the Tea Partiers or something.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 04:43 PM
Aug 2015

Then they could round them all up and draft every one of them and send them to the front lines.

Army and Marines don't want them... too crazy and not disciplinable(?).

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