assholes.

When in reality these people, all of them, are 12 yr old brains in adult bodies.

They simply wont mature beyond puberty, which is the time when everything changed for them (and for all of us) and they couldnt get past it.

And he's still lathering on his religion - taking it down with him.

Maybe the problem is he has the wrong family values in the first place. Pushing a corporate agenda where women get paid less, wages are kept low, jobs sent overseas, and gays are chastised... maybe it isn't God at all that is guiding him.

Admit the whole agenda is screwed up, not just you, Josh!

You nailed it!

I can't help but think that no woman deserves this.

UGH

I worry about his children who will be brought up the same perverted way he was, and the cycle will continue.

I cannot imagine that his wife will consider, must less be allowed, to divorce him. She'll be taken aside and "counseled" until she understands that whatever he did was because of HER inequities. She will forgive him, and nothing will change, including his deviant inclinations.

Sexuality is a completely normal part of being human. When idiots like Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar make healthy discussion and outlets of that sexuality taboo, the JOSH's of the world are the result. This Quiverfull movement is deviant. It pretty much enslaves women by brainwashing them into submission. There is no real education, much less contact with anyone or any culture that might believe differently. From "blanket training" babies to demanding that women gin out a child every nine months or see themselves as inadequate, the movement is unhealthy and disgusting.

And this sort of shit gets rewarded with a television show? That some people in this country have actually admitted to enjoying watching? That, I'll never understand.

And I don't think most will blame the wife.

They will look at this and say "It's sin. It's just sin. It's a terrible sin because of the fallout and the harm, blah, blah, blah, but in the end it is sin. God can make your marriage good again, blah, blah, blah. Josh will have to be accountable to so-and-so, blah, blah, blah. Sex is blessed by God. It is good and natural in marriage. blah, blah, blah."

I am friends and related to a lot of these people, and have seen this exact thing happen. Well...not the pedophilia. Thank goodness. And thankfully, most pray about how many kids they have. And most have between two and six. In fact, I don't know anyone with more than six kids.

The Duggers are just plain weird.

It's easier in those cultures because the women are always taught to be submissive.

Well said!

known child molester. She is putting them in danger.

born into religious communities where leaving is not an option because hellfire and family loyalty and the patriarch's vast power are all used to club down dissent. My experience is with a non-Christian religion but yup, almost everything you said applies.

It's the lack of free choice that kills me. Hell, if a free woman wants to have a childlike position in her marriage and defer to her husband and have a big family, good for her! That's her choice.

But when you are born into it and pressured and threatened so you grow up knowing that leaving the religion will cost you everything (your family, safety, and maybe your life)... that's just wrong. It's horrible.

It is about choice, as it should be. Women should be free to choose how they wish to live. When that choice (whatever that choice may be) is taken from them, then that's the part that becomes the problem.

I would add that I agree - if a woman wants to have a large family, etc., that's up to her. But with each child comes the responsibility of raising that child, and that responsibility should not be forced upon other children that she might bear because doing that (forcing them to take care of their siblings) takes away THEIR choice. That does not mean that I don't believe children can have certain age-appropriate responsibilities and duties within the family. But I would consider having a 14 year old girl be in total charge of a newborn baby way too extreme, and that's what the Duggars did.

There are also only 24 hours in a day, and I personally just do not see how any one woman has the time and energy to give the proper attention, etc. to NINETEEN children. One psychologist that I saw on television last night made this point and explained how having to spread parental love, time, attention, etc. out over that many children can perfectly explain why one of them (Josh) is as messed up as he is.

As with all things in life - people are free to have as many children as they like but the true question is - is that wise? So with choice comes responsibility, and it's up to each person to make that call for themselves.

I am very sad for Anna and the children. But I'm also quite happy to see that this lifestyle is finally being exposed for what it is and isn't being sugar coated as "everything is great" on TLC. So many people tuned in to watch 19 Kids and Counting and just thought everything was rosy, when in fact, the Quiverfull movement is a horrible, horrible cult. There's no need to embellish the negatives. If the truth gets out, there will be plenty of negatives that will substantiate why the Duggars should NOT be held up as examples of good parenting.

impression the family was considered wholesome - and having read articles by escaped Quiverful women (who spoke of the coercion and depression they felt on the inside) I found that horrifying.

It's interesting to compare what I've read of Quiverful with my own background in a Muslim family. In some ways
mainstream Islam is worse, and in some ways better.

-- the husband/wife relationship is about the same I think - The male leads and the wife follows. At its best, it's Ward and June Cleaver, with a happy wife who is adored a bit like a child or pet. (Or better still it can be a marriage of complete equality...as long as the husband allows his wife equality. Which I suppose some few do.)

-- However Islam is worse in some ways: Men have the right to plural wives (a good wife is supposed to accept this without complaint); the idea of punishing a disobedient wife is strong (it's in the Quran), and a wife's obedience is all-encompassing: if her husband wants it, she must provide sex on demand; ask his permission to leave the home or to see her family (and obey if he says no), etc. A husband can repudiate (divorce) his wife at any moment for any or no reason. A wife cannot divorce her husband except under certain strict conditions, and divorcees lose status; they are "used women" after all.

Re chiodbearing: Muslims prize big families and many (especially in other countries) think family planning is either a sin or an evil Western trick to undermine Islam. But I haven't seen Muslims be so drive toward having as many kids as possible, to please God. It's more, "Children are a blessing", coupled with males wanting to brag about big families and not caring that the pregnancy and labor and chiodbearing work all falls on their wives. And females derive status and satisfaction from being moms of course.

- re: the male/female divide and double standard. I would say this is far worse in Islam. Islam has ALL the gender-role crap of Quiverful (even worse: women are traditionally considered weak, dumb, unfit to lead men, unclean during menses etc) AND islam has a far more monstrous obsession with controlling women's freedom in every possible way - theoretically to keep illicit sex from happening. (Cut off her clitoris, make her cover every inch of her body, police her every move, marry her off young, don't let her move out of the home unless it is to her husband's house - all common.). And islam alone has the idea that if a woman steps out of line, she has shamed her father and brothers and should be punished for it. That is truly a dark undertow in many American Muslim families - and worse overseas where legal protections for women are much worse and violence against women is common and accepted as a man's right. Also in Islam, because it's females who carry the whole burden of modesty, the males can live totally western lives (often including dating or illicit sex with non Muslim women, as long as they don't do it too openly). So Muslim men work and play and socialize without restrictions while their sisters daughters and wives live in a police state within the same family.

Re education: American Muslim families value education, so in this way Quiverful may be worse. A Muslim girl in America will make her parents proIud if she becomes a doctor or lawyer. It's just that the other stuff - her modesty and chastity and reputation and obedience and marriageability, and her obligation to make babies and raise those babies and keep the house clean and the food delicious and her husband satisfied and her parents-in-law cared for, and most importantly to keep the other Muslims from having any reason to gossip about her, all that is way more important than her career or personal happiness. Muslim parents and husbands prefer a chaste obedient female who is a homemaker, to a successful one who doesn't toe the line. Though a chaste obedient homemaker who *also* makes 250 grand a year as a lawyer is best yet!

One final difference: Liberals are willing to criticize Quiverful and identify it as what it is: a coercive fundamentalist religion that suppresses girls and women and makes it very hard for them to leave and seek equality elsewhere.

Liberals are not willing to see that all this is true of Islam too (even in the US, and a million times more so in the Arab and mid Asian countries.). And that hypocrisy and cowardly double standard makes me furious.

Gave me a lot of food for thought.

In my mind, as a liberal and as a woman, there is no difference in male and female as far as equality standards. Any culture that does not allow women to stand toe-to-toe with men is cutting off half of its true potential.

I'm a child of the sixties, when equal rights for women was thrust to the forefront. It's absurd to me that it is 2015 and women (anywhere) are still fighting for equality, much less having to fight in the United States.

Again, thank you for the information.

I'm sure she'll continue to stand by him despite this Ashley Madison stuff.

Then again, the financial comfort Josh was able to provide his family is about to come to an abrupt end.

in the hypocrisy of his behavior if he and his family hadn't been trying to judge others and shove their so-called values down our throats. I would have been happy to let him and his family deal with his problems privately.

I still don't like hacking.

Go home and work on your problems, Josh. In obscurity.

I'm also not a fan of the hacking but these guys wanted to be famous. I hope more people become reluctant to go the public route like reality shows or public blogs.

He's sorry he got caught.

If AM had not been hacked, we would never know about this, and he would never have apologized.

But you know he's infinitely more sorry that he got caught!

and hateful - he can piss off.

A true "family" advisory group would have much more postive messages and campaigns. These Focus on the Family and the like are just hateful to so many.

but other than that, he can fall off the earth with all the other pious "family values" fuck-knuckles.

Until he apologizes to all the other folks he demonized and whose lives he wanted to control, fuck him.

"I became unfaithful" is passive. No responsibility taken.

And I think the only thing he and his family have learned is to get that responsibility-ducking non-apology out early, before the drip-drip-drip of allegations become a flood. I wonder if there are any more shoes about to drop?

was child porn too. Would not surprise me in the least.

dropping in a few years. I don't feel sorry for his wife. She married a molester and allows him around her kids. So he cheated on her, watch her stand by her man.

Enough with the apologies. Let's see changes in actions.

"You know, when you strut around like a peacock, you make yourself a mighty large target" (or something close to that). He set his holier-than-thou self up for everyone to take his pointing finger and turn it around right back at him. No sympathy for him but I do feel bad for his wife - even if there were plenty of red flags on this guy before she married him.

they were living high on the hog at the time--he had a job with 6 figures lording his very special brand of morality over others, getting his picture taken with 2/3 of the Republican presidential field, a "popular" tv show that promised them about $25M more in income. I'm sure that that poor, undereducated, misguided girl had thought she'd won the Jesus Lottery in snaring Golden Boy Josh. Now she's saddled with an unemployed, disgraced husband, public shaming, not to mention 4 kids under the age of 6. I suppose there's a remote chance she will be able to escape all that, but I've seen pictures of her and she has the very same creepy crazy-yet-vacuous eyes that Michelle Duggar, the older Duggar sisters, Michele Bachmann, and our very own Republican bagger sinner, Cindy Gamrat have. It really is tragic.

do the Jimmy Swaggart mia culpa, and throw yourself on Jesus. The rubes will love it and forgiveness will be swift and lucrative. These people are absolutely disgusting. They need to STFU and go away.

your a little late for repentance, because you really don't deserve anything except jail time.
In fact since my bundling service provider had you on, I think I should be re-paid for this incident for the last year that I paid for this bundling service.

And just maybe they (TLC) would have a better vetting process, it should not be called TLC (The Learning Channel) that's really shameful.

"I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife."

By the way what did you say to the young woman that you HURT, your above statement does not say "Sorry" at anytime-nowhere

maybe this will be the last time you are reported on----good riddance

programming line up (this Duggar clown, and the Honey Boo Boo prison-boyfriend of the mother).

and if it included an apology for the gay bashing. Too little too late.

nt

To millions of families across America, they would tune in each week to '19 and Counting' because they saw the Duggar family as this perfect, sinless family where the children were wholesome and the parents were faithful to God. Families believed that this was the perfect, faithful 'Christian' family and somehow the rest of us heathens were just lesser cretins somehow lucky enough to walk the earth with them.

But I think many of us, including those who managed to escape from these Quiverfull families, knew that there was no perfection in these large breeding families. And Christian was hardly the word used to describe them when they handpicked verses from the bible to create their own religion that said women were subservient to men and must continue to breed children constantly and that children were beaten into submission until they learn to fear their parents and obey blindly their word. Children were not socialized but instead home-schooled. They were not taught proper sex education and the daughters were even properly education since they were never expected to do anything but breed more large batches of children.

Josh was never once given a chance to live a normal life. How could he in that household where nothing was normal. Of course Josh had normal sexual feelings that a typical teenager experiences but he was never allowed to really experience life outside of his family. And he was taught from the beginning that all sex was evil except marital sex - teachings like that aren't exactly healthy in developing your teenager into a normal functioning adult.

Does that make Josh blameless. Nope not at all. But to say he is the only one to blame is also wrong. But we also need to stop glorifying this cult on TV. Because when we put these people on TV we are telling other people this kind of lifestyle is a good way to raise your children. And honestly, it's a really fucked up way to raise kids.

position he did, the only difference is the hypocrisy of his public persona versus his private life.

He is long past the point where his upbringing is an excuse for his actions.

We still put people in prison even though their upbringing was what turned them to crime.

Same with Josh.

Just saying there are more people to blame then him and probably a few more fucked up kids coming out of that family.

I hope TLC and other networks abandon this family like the plague. They are not the family to judge other families. They are a train wreck and an embarrassment.

Josh Duggar should be blamed for cheating on his wife. First, he is an adult. Second, the way he was raised did not force him to cheat on his wife. He chose to do something he was not supposed to do and he knew he was not supposed to do what he did. He and he alone is to blame for what he did.

Is there a goatfucker.com and when will it be hacked?

Damn he must be more attractive or personable than he seems. That's some high odds he beat.

adult sites, 1) Madison data dump, and then again on another looking for fun. Your toast!

When I read the statement it seemed to me that he was claiming he had looked at porn, became addicted, and then cheated on his wife. Even in admitting that he cheated on his wife he did not seem to blame himself. He did not say "I cheated on my wife". He said something like, then I became unfaithful to my wife. It was as if he was saying he did not actually cheat on his wife; it was something that just happened to him. It was as if he woke up one morning and he was next to someone other than his wife.

I read the whole statement and I kind of feel sorry for the guy.

Not really. But there will be people suckered by this.

you're just a run of the mill hypocrite. Considering yourself the biggest hypocrite ever seems a tad prideful.

I'm sure that the baby Jesus will forgive him, his pathetically indoctrinated wife will forgive him, his family will forgive him. He will then feel free to continue persecuting and oppressing others in the name of God.

Boo fucking hoo.

Sorry, but I'm fresh out of any sort of compassion for creeps like him. And the same goes for Todd Courser & Cindy Gamrat here in Michigan. Teabaggers who were decrying the SC gay marriage ruling as the End of All That's Holy, all the while they were doing the nasty in the office they shared "to save the taxpayer's money." What a sick joke they all are.

A self-righteous purveyor of white male family value dominionism and paternalism turns out to be a lying, cheating hypocrite? Say it ain't so!

I don't feel hate well up inside me often, but when I do, it's usually for a scumbag like this. May his wife show no mercy or restraint in the upcoming divorce proceedings.

will make her feel that it's her fault he went sniffing around elsewhere. She's probably praying her ass off right now asking for forgiveness and promising to do her wifely duty more diligently.

If she was capable of marrying him, knowing full well that he had molested his sisters, then it is certainly possible that she will tolerate this as well.

And you are right: women in these cultures are often told that it is their fault when the men sin.

Not many defending him there. Aside from more emphasis on Christianity and one snide reference to gays they are pretty similar to us. Quite a few negative comments about the family's fundamentalism and the damage it did. The Duggars are done for if the RW has given up on them

I only go there when something really juicy happens. Trump doesn't count. I'd be there half the day if I followed him.

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Please just let them go peacefully away.?

Where is the pic of him at the CPAC convention, dressed in black, looking like Abramhoff? Slick huckster, hat and black coat? Super bad ass?

3 months later, whoops!

And now this.

Josh, oh Josh!

What a freak this man is.

I read this a little while ago in the news of the day ...

I hope whoever he "got" at Ashley Madison is what he wanted!

I mean, at any given moment we can refrain from it (like, at work or when we're driving, hopefully)

and it isn't a physical need like food and water are; some people go years or lifetimes without it

and we can kinda do it all by ourselves if we want; there's no need to have risky or illicit sex for an orgasm

And yet despite all that, so many public figures do sex stuff that they KNOW could ruin them, and they just go right on ahead. And sure enough it does ruin them. And no one ever learns!

It has a weird way of hijacking the brain and overwhelming one's judgment. I find it fascinating.

"I became addicted to watching porn on the Internet" is a common cop-out fundamentalists use to explain any sexual deviancy they have participated in.

Let's pretend for a second this is true...that ol' Josh over there was wondering how to cook ribs one fine night, typed "porn.com" instead of "pork.com" into his web browser...and this magic arm reached through the glass on his monitor, grabbed his dick, and thrust it, totally against his will, into the vagina of a woman he wasn't married to. (And if there is such a site, why wasn't I invited?) Naturally, the Vagina of Spiritual Death forced him to seek out other Vaginas of Spiritual Death against the teachings of his God.

What I want to know: How can he explain screwing four of his sisters before he knew the Internet existed?

Bet he didn't think about that.

his own small kids. I remember when he said he couldn't wait to have kids. I'm convinced he couldn't wait to get his hands on them.
The state and his wife know he's a child molester and allow him access to small children.