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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 10:56 AM Aug 2015

Billionaires Wanted to Fund Private Mars Colony

Source: Space.com

Could the first Mars colony be called Buffettville, or Zuckerburgh?

The Netherlands-based nonprofit Mars One aims to establish a permanent settlement on the Red Planet, beginning with the touchdown of the first four pioneers in 2027. The biggest challenges facing the project are financial rather than technical, so a big donation from a deep-pocketed person concerned about his or her legacy could make a huge difference, Mars One representatives said.

Mars One "is so ambitious and — I think 'crazy' is the right word — that we might actually get a phone call from a billionaire who says, 'I want to make this happen. I want the first city on Mars to be called Gatesville or Slim City," said Mars One co-founder and CEO Bas Lansdorp, presumably referring to Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates and Mexican tycoon Carlos Slim Helu. [Images of Mars One's Red Planet Colony Project]

"That will change everything," Lansdorp said Aug. 13 at the 18th annual International Mars Society Convention, which was held in Washington, D.C.

Debating Mars One

Lansdorp made his remarks during an organized debate about the feasibility of the Mars One project, which pitted Lansdorp and Barry Finger, director of life-support systems at Paragon Space Development Systems Corp., a Mars One supplier, against MIT graduate students Sydney Do and Andrew Owens.

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Read more: http://www.space.com/30357-mars-one-colony-billionaires-wanted.html



In response to the predictable reactions:

I have no problem with the 1% throwing money at this, whether or not Mars One ever makes it, the money is all spent on earth, and almost all of it is on "quality control" aka workers aka labor - people checking and double-checking and collaborating and connecting at all levels.

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Billionaires Wanted to Fund Private Mars Colony (Original Post) bananas Aug 2015 OP
Corrupting American politics not enough fun for the bored Billionaire Class? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #1
Hey Fred, bananas Aug 2015 #3
If memory serves, MARS ONE are the "drop em and leave em" folks? brooklynite Aug 2015 #2
Don't be "snarky" - definition pending- there are serious problems to solve, snarky does not help..so I am told. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #4
No, they want to start settling Mars. bananas Aug 2015 #5
Yes, originally they proposed a reality TV show to get funding, but that fell through muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #20
Good Riddance usaf-vet Aug 2015 #6
If we can't compel the 1% to pay for their own sports stadiums, no_hypocrisy Aug 2015 #7
Excellent point. bananas Aug 2015 #14
Brandeis must have spun like a top in his grave Kelvin Mace Aug 2015 #26
Mars One is a scam. alarimer Aug 2015 #8
I'm surprised those scammers are still getting any attention PersonNumber503602 Aug 2015 #16
There should be a pool on how quickly one of the first four perish. longship Aug 2015 #9
Fucking morose. bananas Aug 2015 #12
Well, given that Mars One is going to be a reality TV program... longship Aug 2015 #13
My money is on Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #24
It would be tough to find a sponsor for Mars One. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #10
Yup. High short-term risk, high long-term risk. bananas Aug 2015 #11
I bet Elon Musk would be all for it PersonNumber503602 Aug 2015 #18
Maybe then, they'll discover how fragile life is in the universe ffr Aug 2015 #15
That would be a definite plus. bananas Aug 2015 #17
Yeah, and sending astronauts to certain death will *really* teach us how cprise Aug 2015 #30
Will they name the new colony Galt Gulch? Capt. Obvious Aug 2015 #19
Mars One Torn To Shreds In MIT Debate muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #21
Truly hope this happens chapdrum Aug 2015 #22
They will rename it Randland Kelvin Mace Aug 2015 #23
Eventually it would be bereft of people cprise Aug 2015 #31
Billionaires Wanted to Populate Private Mars Colony 0rganism Aug 2015 #25
I strongly suspect that there will never be SheilaT Aug 2015 #27
Great idea! Let's send Trump now to scope it out for us...nt Laffy Kat Aug 2015 #28
I'm pretty sure that the only reason they may want to fund it Meggulliver Aug 2015 #29
let all billionaires go to Mars & leave their mansions here for the homeless wordpix Aug 2015 #32

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Don't be "snarky" - definition pending- there are serious problems to solve, snarky does not help..so I am told.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:06 AM
Aug 2015

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
20. Yes, originally they proposed a reality TV show to get funding, but that fell through
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 12:15 PM
Aug 2015
A private venture to send humans on a one-way journey to Mars has suffered another setback with the loss of a television deal, although the venture’s leader said it won’t affect the ongoing selection of crews for the mission.

Mars One co-founder and chief executive Bas Lansdorp said Feb. 24 that Mars One had terminated an agreement with entertainment company Endemol announced in 2014 to develop a “worldwide TV event” for the selection of the first Mars One crews. New Scientist first reported the terminated contract Feb. 20.

“We ended our cooperation with Endemol some time ago because we could not reach agreement on the details of the contract,” Lansdorp said in response to a SpaceNews inquiry about the status of the agreement. He declined to go into greater detail about the decision to end the agreement, or when that decision was made.

- See more at: http://spacenews.com/mars-one-loses-television-deal/#sthash.bG2lPo8d.dpuf

no_hypocrisy

(46,190 posts)
7. If we can't compel the 1% to pay for their own sports stadiums,
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:14 AM
Aug 2015

what makes you think they'll pay with their own money for private space travel and planetary colonization?

bananas

(27,509 posts)
14. Excellent point.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:47 AM
Aug 2015

They won't.

They got their riches using other people's money.

Google "other people's money".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_People%27s_Money_And_How_the_Bankers_Use_It

Other People's Money And How the Bankers Use It (1914) is a collection of essays written by Louis Brandeis first published as a book in 1914, and reissued in 1933.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_People%27s_Money

Other People's Money is a 1991 American comedy-drama film starring Danny DeVito, Gregory Peck and Penelope Ann Miller. It was based on the play of the same name by Jerry Sterner. The film adaptation was directed by award winner Norman Jewison, and written by Alvin Sargent.




Danny DeVito Explaining Value Investing -- Benjamin Graham Style (Other People's Money)

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
26. Brandeis must have spun like a top in his grave
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 01:25 PM
Aug 2015

when the Citizens United ruling came down. Hard to believe we once had such a "leftist" on the Supreme Court.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
8. Mars One is a scam.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:17 AM
Aug 2015

Don't believe the hype.

https://medium.com/matter/mars-one-insider-quits-dangerously-flawed-project-2dfef95217d3

As Roche observed the process from an insider’s perspective, his concerns increased. Chief among them: that some leading contenders for the mission had bought their way into that position, and are being encouraged to “donate” any appearance fees back to Mars One — which seemed to him very strange for an outfit that needs billions of dollars to complete its objective.

“When you join the ‘Mars One Community,’ which happens automatically if you applied as a candidate, they start giving you points,” Roche explained to me in an email. “You get points for getting through each round of the selection process (but just an arbitrary number of points, not anything to do with ranking), and then the only way to get more points is to buy merchandise from Mars One or to donate money to them.”

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
16. I'm surprised those scammers are still getting any attention
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:54 AM
Aug 2015

This isn't just a case of them having unrealistic and overly ambitious dreams either. It's clearly a scam outfit based on everything I've heard about them.

longship

(40,416 posts)
9. There should be a pool on how quickly one of the first four perish.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:18 AM
Aug 2015

At least one could get some entertainment out of it.

Because, if Mars One launches to Mars, the people will not last very long there. My money is on: the first dies before arrival.

longship

(40,416 posts)
13. Well, given that Mars One is going to be a reality TV program...
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:44 AM
Aug 2015

you may not be too far from the mark.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
10. It would be tough to find a sponsor for Mars One.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:25 AM
Aug 2015

Even assuming it is not a scam and that the technology is available, the chance of colossal failure is high.

For instance, suppose the colonists make it to Mars and establish Gatesville. There is a live feed from Mars, with a delay of course. After a couple of weeks a major, unforeseen problem occurs and the colonists are stranded and running out of supplies. The whole world would watch as the people of Gatesville die off. Every last one.

Nobody would want their name on that.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
15. Maybe then, they'll discover how fragile life is in the universe
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:49 AM
Aug 2015

After generation after generation of failed attempts to colonize Mars and establish an ecosystem that can sustain large life organisms, might they discover how good Earth has made it for us. Maybe then they'll stop raping this planet in the name of profit.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
17. That would be a definite plus.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:55 AM
Aug 2015

The "Biosphere II" project showed us how difficult it is to make a biosphere.

We need to make movement in both directions: understanding how fragile life on Earth is, and how difficult it will be to establish life on Mars, if we can do it at all.

Thank you for your reasoned and enlightened input.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
30. Yeah, and sending astronauts to certain death will *really* teach us how
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 03:52 PM
Aug 2015

...to 'make a biosphere'.

As far as anyone really knows, biospheres evolve they are not made. We have a technocracy that mostly rejects ecological principles, and now the captains of that technocracy think they'd like a healthy biosphere -- on Mars. What a disgusting insult.

The banter around this is so unbelievably stupid, with idiots who don't even distinguish between 'outposts' and 'colonies'. The latter would involve raising infants in one-third gravity, something humans are not adapted for and those children are more likely to suffer crippling muscle and bone conditions than they are to carry on the life of a colony.

We may not be ready to actually colonize Mars for a century or more.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
21. Mars One Torn To Shreds In MIT Debate
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 12:17 PM
Aug 2015
But when it comes to technical details on how they plan to actually send people to live out the rest of their lives on Mars, they are left wanting. You’d be hard-pressed to find anyone in the space industry who thinks they can do what they’ve claimed. They lack any of the technology needed to send humans to Mars (including a heavy-lift rocket, spacecraft, habitat, life support system; the list goes on) and have shown no shred of development since they burst onto the scene in 2010.

And those shortcomings were laid bare this week, when two scientists from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) took on Mars One’s CEO Bas Lansdorp and one of its key technical people, Barry Finger of Paragon, in a debate at the Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C., titled “Is Mars One Feasible?” The MIT scientists, Sydney Do and Andrew Owens, had previously produced a study claiming that Mars One’s proposal as it stood would see its astronauts die in 68 days. Lansdorp agreed to the debate in an attempt to return some credibility to the company.

Oh how he failed. “If somebody was scoring this debate, giving a point for each well-supported argument, deducting a point for each weak one, and subtracting multiple points every time somebody conceded the other side’s argument, then Mars One lost it hands down,” wrote Dwayne Day for The Space Review. “Not only did Barry Finger admit that MIT’s technical analysis and criticism was mostly right, but Lansdorp also admitted that their 12-year plan for landing humans on Mars by 2027 is mostly fiction.” The slides made by the MIT scientists for the debate are available online.
...
“Mars One’s $6 billion [£3.8 billion] price tag is based upon false assumptions and faulty data and is totally unrealistic, and yet Mars One uses that low price tag as a selling point to investors,” Day added. The scientists also noted that life support and other problems were very complex, and if anything failed, the crew would die. And they pointed out the technology for the mission didn’t yet exist, and it should be developed before deciding to go.

http://www.iflscience.com/space/mars-one-torn-shreds-mit-debate
 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
22. Truly hope this happens
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 12:23 PM
Aug 2015

and that the sociopaths masquerading as politicians that we are repeatedly supposed to take seriously, are the first to join the migration...permanently.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
23. They will rename it Randland
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 12:55 PM
Aug 2015

and build Galt's Gulch, a libertarian paradise bereft of government regulations and taxes.

Save yourself a LOT of time and money guys. Such a place exists on Earth, it is called Somalia.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
27. I strongly suspect that there will never be
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 01:52 PM
Aug 2015

permanent habitation on the Moon or Mars unless private money somehow gets involved. How that needs to happen, I don't really know.

But I did once write a short story, still unpublished, that has the first NASA manned mission to Mars being met by a group that gets there ahead of them which I have funded by the fictional Spielberg-Gates Foundation.

 

Meggulliver

(14 posts)
29. I'm pretty sure that the only reason they may want to fund it
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 03:10 PM
Aug 2015

is so they can get all the resources and money from it.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
32. let all billionaires go to Mars & leave their mansions here for the homeless
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 03:56 PM
Aug 2015

and poor to move into. Go for it.

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