Billionaires Wanted to Fund Private Mars Colony
Source: Space.com
Could the first Mars colony be called Buffettville, or Zuckerburgh?
The Netherlands-based nonprofit Mars One aims to establish a permanent settlement on the Red Planet, beginning with the touchdown of the first four pioneers in 2027. The biggest challenges facing the project are financial rather than technical, so a big donation from a deep-pocketed person concerned about his or her legacy could make a huge difference, Mars One representatives said.
Mars One "is so ambitious and I think 'crazy' is the right word that we might actually get a phone call from a billionaire who says, 'I want to make this happen. I want the first city on Mars to be called Gatesville or Slim City," said Mars One co-founder and CEO Bas Lansdorp, presumably referring to Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates and Mexican tycoon Carlos Slim Helu. [Images of Mars One's Red Planet Colony Project]
"That will change everything," Lansdorp said Aug. 13 at the 18th annual International Mars Society Convention, which was held in Washington, D.C.
Debating Mars One
Lansdorp made his remarks during an organized debate about the feasibility of the Mars One project, which pitted Lansdorp and Barry Finger, director of life-support systems at Paragon Space Development Systems Corp., a Mars One supplier, against MIT graduate students Sydney Do and Andrew Owens.
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In response to the predictable reactions:
I have no problem with the 1% throwing money at this, whether or not Mars One ever makes it, the money is all spent on earth, and almost all of it is on "quality control" aka workers aka labor - people checking and double-checking and collaborating and connecting at all levels.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)there are serious problems, and being snarky isn't going to solve any of them.
brooklynite
(94,729 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)The problem is how to fund it.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)Mars One co-founder and chief executive Bas Lansdorp said Feb. 24 that Mars One had terminated an agreement with entertainment company Endemol announced in 2014 to develop a worldwide TV event for the selection of the first Mars One crews. New Scientist first reported the terminated contract Feb. 20.
We ended our cooperation with Endemol some time ago because we could not reach agreement on the details of the contract, Lansdorp said in response to a SpaceNews inquiry about the status of the agreement. He declined to go into greater detail about the decision to end the agreement, or when that decision was made.
- See more at: http://spacenews.com/mars-one-loses-television-deal/#sthash.bG2lPo8d.dpuf
usaf-vet
(6,207 posts)I'm no billionaire but I got $10.00 bucks to move the project forward.
no_hypocrisy
(46,190 posts)what makes you think they'll pay with their own money for private space travel and planetary colonization?
bananas
(27,509 posts)They won't.
They got their riches using other people's money.
Google "other people's money".
Other People's Money And How the Bankers Use It (1914) is a collection of essays written by Louis Brandeis first published as a book in 1914, and reissued in 1933.
Other People's Money is a 1991 American comedy-drama film starring Danny DeVito, Gregory Peck and Penelope Ann Miller. It was based on the play of the same name by Jerry Sterner. The film adaptation was directed by award winner Norman Jewison, and written by Alvin Sargent.
Danny DeVito Explaining Value Investing -- Benjamin Graham Style (Other People's Money)
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)when the Citizens United ruling came down. Hard to believe we once had such a "leftist" on the Supreme Court.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Don't believe the hype.
https://medium.com/matter/mars-one-insider-quits-dangerously-flawed-project-2dfef95217d3
As Roche observed the process from an insiders perspective, his concerns increased. Chief among them: that some leading contenders for the mission had bought their way into that position, and are being encouraged to donate any appearance fees back to Mars One which seemed to him very strange for an outfit that needs billions of dollars to complete its objective.
When you join the Mars One Community, which happens automatically if you applied as a candidate, they start giving you points, Roche explained to me in an email. You get points for getting through each round of the selection process (but just an arbitrary number of points, not anything to do with ranking), and then the only way to get more points is to buy merchandise from Mars One or to donate money to them.
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)This isn't just a case of them having unrealistic and overly ambitious dreams either. It's clearly a scam outfit based on everything I've heard about them.
longship
(40,416 posts)At least one could get some entertainment out of it.
Because, if Mars One launches to Mars, the people will not last very long there. My money is on: the first dies before arrival.
bananas
(27,509 posts)You should be a regular on "Walking Dead".
longship
(40,416 posts)you may not be too far from the mark.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)they all die before arrival.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Even assuming it is not a scam and that the technology is available, the chance of colossal failure is high.
For instance, suppose the colonists make it to Mars and establish Gatesville. There is a live feed from Mars, with a delay of course. After a couple of weeks a major, unforeseen problem occurs and the colonists are stranded and running out of supplies. The whole world would watch as the people of Gatesville die off. Every last one.
Nobody would want their name on that.
bananas
(27,509 posts)Who would want to invest in that?
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)Although there is no way he would do it under the Mars One BS.
ffr
(22,671 posts)After generation after generation of failed attempts to colonize Mars and establish an ecosystem that can sustain large life organisms, might they discover how good Earth has made it for us. Maybe then they'll stop raping this planet in the name of profit.
bananas
(27,509 posts)The "Biosphere II" project showed us how difficult it is to make a biosphere.
We need to make movement in both directions: understanding how fragile life on Earth is, and how difficult it will be to establish life on Mars, if we can do it at all.
Thank you for your reasoned and enlightened input.
cprise
(8,445 posts)...to 'make a biosphere'.
As far as anyone really knows, biospheres evolve they are not made. We have a technocracy that mostly rejects ecological principles, and now the captains of that technocracy think they'd like a healthy biosphere -- on Mars. What a disgusting insult.
The banter around this is so unbelievably stupid, with idiots who don't even distinguish between 'outposts' and 'colonies'. The latter would involve raising infants in one-third gravity, something humans are not adapted for and those children are more likely to suffer crippling muscle and bone conditions than they are to carry on the life of a colony.
We may not be ready to actually colonize Mars for a century or more.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)And those shortcomings were laid bare this week, when two scientists from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) took on Mars Ones CEO Bas Lansdorp and one of its key technical people, Barry Finger of Paragon, in a debate at the Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C., titled Is Mars One Feasible? The MIT scientists, Sydney Do and Andrew Owens, had previously produced a study claiming that Mars Ones proposal as it stood would see its astronauts die in 68 days. Lansdorp agreed to the debate in an attempt to return some credibility to the company.
Oh how he failed. If somebody was scoring this debate, giving a point for each well-supported argument, deducting a point for each weak one, and subtracting multiple points every time somebody conceded the other sides argument, then Mars One lost it hands down, wrote Dwayne Day for The Space Review. Not only did Barry Finger admit that MITs technical analysis and criticism was mostly right, but Lansdorp also admitted that their 12-year plan for landing humans on Mars by 2027 is mostly fiction. The slides made by the MIT scientists for the debate are available online.
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Mars Ones $6 billion [£3.8 billion] price tag is based upon false assumptions and faulty data and is totally unrealistic, and yet Mars One uses that low price tag as a selling point to investors, Day added. The scientists also noted that life support and other problems were very complex, and if anything failed, the crew would die. And they pointed out the technology for the mission didnt yet exist, and it should be developed before deciding to go.
http://www.iflscience.com/space/mars-one-torn-shreds-mit-debate
chapdrum
(930 posts)and that the sociopaths masquerading as politicians that we are repeatedly supposed to take seriously, are the first to join the migration...permanently.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)and build Galt's Gulch, a libertarian paradise bereft of government regulations and taxes.
Save yourself a LOT of time and money guys. Such a place exists on Earth, it is called Somalia.
cprise
(8,445 posts)which is fitting.
0rganism
(23,970 posts)there, fixed
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)permanent habitation on the Moon or Mars unless private money somehow gets involved. How that needs to happen, I don't really know.
But I did once write a short story, still unpublished, that has the first NASA manned mission to Mars being met by a group that gets there ahead of them which I have funded by the fictional Spielberg-Gates Foundation.
Laffy Kat
(16,386 posts)Meggulliver
(14 posts)is so they can get all the resources and money from it.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)and poor to move into. Go for it.