I don't think of heroin, I think of prescription drugs.

he is also saying we should kill anyone who wont work.

Yes, he wants to kill EVERYONE who wont work.

If you dont get a penny or any welfare, then you starve to death or die from exposure.

Damn glad he isnt a Xtian, at least.

"We need to attach work to everything*," the 2016 presidential candidate said during a campaign stop in Manchester, New Hampshire, Wednesday. "I don't think any able-bodied person in America should get a penny unless they work*. No handouts, no gifts, no welfare*. Everything should have work*."

I can almost see him mumbling under his breath "*, note does not apply to inheritances, political networks, dynasties, trust funds, affluenza, all you $10k donors are safe."

He's a con man that will say anything he needs to to keep mooching from the government via the position he was elected to.

Just like his father.

For anyone. Not the sick, not the elderly, no one? So if someone is to ill to work they should just die in the gutter? This is what he is saying and this is what his followers believe. And if there are no jobs that pay a livable wage, too bad. Into the gutter they go?

Rand Paul, I think, doesn't think before he speaks. If he does think before spewing this stuff than he is worse than despicable.

He's playing "Man With the Golden Arm" in his head. That was the heroin take on "Reefer Madness."

--imm

Frightening, that means he comes by his idiocy completely naturally.

-- Mal

They've been providing addicts with pure heroin and clean needles in controlled environments for nearly a hundred years, allowing them to be productive members of society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin-assisted_treatment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolleston_Committee

Modes of operation

While the British system trusts the patient with weekly prescriptions, other countries had to impose stronger restrictions to avoid diversion to the illegal market. Patients there have to appear twice a day at a treatment center where they inject their doses of diamorphine under the supervision of medical staff. To avoid withdrawal symptoms in between injections, most patients are given an additional daily dose of methadone.

In the Netherlands, both injectable Diamorphine HCl as injectable salt in dry ampoules as well as Heroin base with 5-10% caffeine for vaporisation are available, both are to be taken twice daily in a supervised setting and will be accompanied with a daily take home dosage of methadone for the evening.

In Switzerland patients may be allowed to appear only once a day and receive part of their diamorphine in pill form for oral consumption.This is possible only after a six-month period and is usually granted only if necessary to hold down a job.

that people addicted to opioids do have jobs and some of them have very good jobs.

Another ignorant R.

Question for poster #7: Is there a study of life expectancy of those who are simply hidden and maintained? My grandson is in his 30s and has Hep C.

Kind of a weird job, though.

but this is such a stupid statement. First of all, he's clearly never heard of a functioning drug addict. They exist just like functioning alcoholics. I know, I was one for a long time.

I had an accident in 2002 where I was rock climbing and I fell. I won't go into it all but I broke a lot of bones and tore my left knee. I had to have surgery as a result and got hooked on pain killers. I bought them online at multiple pill farms. The DEA started cracking down on online pharmacies but I was able to get what I needed until it eventually became too difficult. That is when I turned to heroin which it turned out was a lot cheaper and easier to access. I worked all the while. For most of the time my productivity wasn't hurt. I knew how to balance work and using. I could not balance my personal life though and when my marriage ended as a result of my drug use and other issues that are not my place to discuss, I quit work to get my life together. That was 10 years ago.

Today, virtually all of the online pharmacies are gone and physicians are heavily monitored for their prescribing habits. The rise in heroin addiction is a direct result of the DEA crackdown on pill abuse.

On the surface, cracking down by the DEA seems to be a good thing but in many ways it isn't. First, prescription drugs are refined and regulated. Abusing them is dangerous but no way near as dangerous as street drugs. When you use pills, you know exactly what you are using. People who overdose usually do so because of mixing or they got sober and relapsed back to where they were when they quit. That is a death sentence. With heroin and street drugs, you have no idea what the drug is cut with. It could be flour, powdered milk (very common), starch, vitamin c. One day the mix could be 10/90. Another could be 20/80. It is why addicts usually stick with a brand... to be as safe as possible. What if someone screws up and you are used to 30/70 and you get 10/90. You're fucked. I knew one guy who ended up with china white. He OD'd and thankfully he was around someone who he could trust. The dude was lucky to have not died.


I'm all for increasing access to substance abuse counseling and suboxone programs. They should be more accessible. However, the BEST thing that can happen is for drug addicts to be less stigmatized. The stigma of abuse keeps abusers from seeking help and that is why shame is the biggest killer of all.

Not to be put on a list and told to come back in a month or two.

All addicts need help but the only those who want to get help actually succeed in treatment. That is why I so very much agree with you. I've known people who were refused because of a lack of bed space. Some never came back and others, it took years for them to get to that same place. There is no better time to help an addict get on the path than when they have hit rock bottom. Depending on the situation, someone turned away can be in such a state that they turn to suicide. We desperately need more treatment facilities.... real facilities. Not that NARCANON bullshit.

I don't think we've EVER employed all able-bodied people. Maybe during WW2, but those were GOVERNMENT JERBS (or paid for by the Government with DEFICIT SPENDING).

Ayn Rand Paul can GTFO.

the fact that he is running for president should frighten us all.

"However, most illicit drug users were employed. Of the 22.4 million current illicit drug users aged 18 or older in 2013, 15.4 million (68.9 percent) were employed either full or part time."

http://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/NSDUHresultsPDFWHTML2013/Web/NSDUHresults2013.htm

Doing their jobs just fine, btw, with most of the hazards coming from the moralistic drive-bys of the self-righteous and ignorant. Who want to punish, not solve.


Other than that, it's just work.

The name thing in here might be helpful as well, what with your recognition and inadequacy issues.

No member of Congress gets paid unless they also have a full-time job. Heaven knows they don't do jack shit in the Capitol anyway except shoot their mouths off.

And no paper shuffling, button pushing, bullshitting jobs. Eight or nine hours a day on their feet working hard -- digging, building stuff, slinging hash, carrying heavy boxes, stocking shelves.

They can do their Congress crap nights and weekends.

Then, later on, we can have a talk about raising the retirement age.

HEROIN ADDICTION: PROBLEM FOR MIDDLE CLASS ALSO
By LESLIE BENNETTS
Published: February 26, 1982


Frank, who earns $150,000 a year as a 30-year-old vice president of a Wall Street banking firm, spends his weekday lunch hours receiving doses of methadone at a clinic. He is a heroin addict, and until a year ago he was spending $100 a day to support his habit.

Roberta, also 30, a secretary for a New York State agency, says she feels good about her life these days. ''I have goals,'' she says, ''I save money, I want to travel.'' She was an addict for seven years, struggling to come up with the $50 to $100 a day she needed for heroin.

When dealing drugs did not provide enough income to supplement her salary, she would tell her office that she had a doctor's appointment and go out to burglarize a house. ''During the day was the safest time,'' she explained.
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''We don't have firm data on white-collar heroin use, partly because the middle-class heroin user tends to hide it as much as possible,'' he said. ''But heroin goes all the way up the income scale.''
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link: http://www.nytimes.com/1982/02/26/nyregion/heroin-addiction-problem-for-middle-class-also.html

This has been known for a long time, just look at the date on this article. Nothing has really changed since then except for drug testing on the work site. Of course drug testing on the work site is done at the beginning of employment. Maybe, just maybe that is the reason they want people employed or sign up for employment is to be drug tested.

Every time he opens his mouth, Rand Paul convinces me to knock two or three points off my estimate of his IQ, which is currently 85 and sinking fast.

Someone's priorities are kind of upside down.

People polluting their own bodies is not a politician's interest. It's like the world is burning, and these guys are playing fiddles.

This flies in the face of decades of study and practical example in places like England where heroin can be prescribed to addicts, and has been for a long time now. Study and living examples demonstrate that addicts can hold down jobs and lead relatively respectable lives while continuing to be addicted.
Those same studies and examples also show a high rate of recovery among addicts who are prescribed their drugs and allowed to build lives, instead of being turned into criminals.
Then there is good old alcohol, although not an opioid still a very dangerous drug, which working people have been consuming for how long while holding down jobs?
Rand Paul just moved a seat closer to the front of the bozo bus with this comment.

Though there are a number of professions that come with high rates of drug abuse and addiction, some of the highest risk jobs or industries include:

Health care professionals. With easy access to prescription painkillers, benzodiazepines, and a number of drugs used for anesthesia, it can be difficult to withstand the temptation to use these drugs if addiction is an issue. Nurses, doctors, anesthesiologists, and pharmacists all have a high risk of drug abuse. It is estimated that between 10 and 15 percent of all medical professionals will abuse or misuse drugs at one point or another during their career.

Sales. Both depression and substance abuse are common problems in the sales profession. Perhaps it is the volatile pay structure or the hard work that isn’t consistently rewarding. For some, constant travel is part of the job, which can be difficult for those with families. Whatever the cause, when depression is also an issue, the risk of developing a substance abuse problem is higher.
Farming, forestry, and fishing. Isolation is likely a key part of the issue in these professions as well as long periods away from family. Repetitious tasks may also contribute to the substance abuse problem. Like in sales, depression is a common issue in these professions as well.

Law enforcement. Police officers, correctional officers, and other law enforcement personnel are also in high-risk professions in terms of drug and alcohol abuse. The difficulties associated with the work can often mean issues with depression as well.

Restaurants. “Hazardous drinking patterns” were identified in as many as 80 percent of male restaurant workers and 64 percent of females in the restaurant industry, according to a study published in the American Journal of Drug and Alcohol Abuse.

All jobs that require people to show up and perform.

from the motherlode of dopy comments.

This one's even dumber than his economic theories.

She was an RN, 31 years young. Dead as a door nail now, thanks to heroin! Guess the young son of a friend wasn't working hard enough either. Just saying...... May they rest in peace.

heroin. So did Jerry Garcia. Garcia played with several bands at every opportunity he got because he was going to play music every day and figured he might was well get paid for it on as many days as he could. Diabetes, hardening of the arteries and heart failure killed him, linked to his substance abuse, including heroin and cheeseburgers.