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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:02 PM Sep 2015

Cardin to oppose Iran nuclear deal

Source: Baltimore Sun

Sen. Ben Cardin, the top-ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said Friday he will oppose the nuclear agreement with Iran — a position that won't stop the deal but is a setback for supporters who want to keep a Republican resolution of disapproval from reaching the White House.

The Maryland lawmaker cited concerns with the inspections regime called for in the agreement, the difficulty world leaders may have reimposing sanctions, and the fact that Tehran will not be required to disclose its past efforts to build a nuclear weapon.

"There's high risk in both directions, but I think the risk is higher in the long run by going forward with this agreement," Cardin told The Baltimore Sun. "There is no reason to believe that Iran won't continue its past activities."

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Cardin, who was under intense pressure from deal supporters and opponents, dismissed any suggestion that his timing was politically motivated. Instead, he said, he was deliberately working his way through the details. That's consistent with the way Cardin has approached tough issues in the past, when he has often deliberated until just days before the vote.

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Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-cardin-iran-20150904-story.html

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Cardin to oppose Iran nuclear deal (Original Post) bananas Sep 2015 OP
Why people hate politicians: tabasco Sep 2015 #1
Master Netenyahu has spoken! Dawson Leery Sep 2015 #2
Well here is the 'good' Senator in action... Purveyor Sep 2015 #3
I suspect that the Democratic leadership signed off on this as long as he totodeinhere Sep 2015 #4
Another AIPAC tied Senator against the deal GitRDun Sep 2015 #5
Way too many Democratic Party Jewish Senators and Jewish Congressmen have openly chosen religion over common sense and Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #6
They Don't Choose ProgressiveJarhead Sep 2015 #8
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #17
There are others that are doing the right thing just as Franken and Sanders. phleshdef Sep 2015 #9
This is anti-Semitic garbage MrBig Sep 2015 #11
Can't say the result surprises me - but at least some of the jurors wrote well articulated responses MrBig Sep 2015 #12
The uselessness of DU in its present form is made clear by the blatant anti-Semitism villager Sep 2015 #13
Can not even SAY "Jewish"and be critical?! But one can say Christian and Muslim and such, no problem! Why the double standard? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #16
You're an anti-Semite, Fred, pure and simple villager Sep 2015 #20
I will not alert...leave this up so all can see what I am talking about. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #21
Couldn't have said it better myself MrBig Sep 2015 #27
Seems to only come up with Jewish politicians with respect to Israel oberliner Sep 2015 #30
Then you do not know "me" at all.....not at all!! Which I keep saying, to some avail. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #31
My comment has nothing to do with you personally oberliner Sep 2015 #33
Thanks...the "you" part was not me, but a reference to dual loyality. I agree with the observation Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #35
4 posts in 90 days...two are here...oh, and at least one alert sent in 90 days, we know of. I see.... Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #18
That's Correct MrBig Sep 2015 #28
Thanks for posting that. nt bananas Sep 2015 #23
Hmm how lovely, this noise is kind of expected and ANTISEMITIC nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #24
Some folks can hand it out but just can not take it....common human fault, to be expected. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #25
Magic decoder ring not needed nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #32
What a load of patently antisemitic crap! branford Sep 2015 #34
yet another stupid asshole AnAzulTexas Sep 2015 #7
This thread proves that Cardin isn't the only schmuck around. villager Sep 2015 #14
hope you're not putting me in the cross-hairs of that reply... AnAzulTexas Sep 2015 #38
'Twarn't you! villager Sep 2015 #39
sorry for the delay AnAzulTexas Sep 2015 #42
AIPACrat. nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #10
What other transparently religious and obviously anti-American lobbying group for another foreign nation can get away with this? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #19
That probably puts getting to 41 out of reach davidpdx Sep 2015 #15
Primary his ass!!! lark Sep 2015 #22
Politics. Kath1 Sep 2015 #26
A lot of "dual loyalty" noise on this post oberliner Sep 2015 #29
No longer surprising... sadly nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #36
It seems to be the single most acceptable type of stereotyping allowed/promulgated on D"U" now... villager Sep 2015 #40
Yup nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #41
now that its in the bag it'd probably OK for these things Doctor_J Sep 2015 #37
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
1. Why people hate politicians:
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:17 PM
Sep 2015

Gutless politicians, like Cardin, fail to "do the right thing" but do what they think they have to do to keep their job - even though they know better. The only "risk" Cardin cares about is the risk of not getting re-elected.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
4. I suspect that the Democratic leadership signed off on this as long as he
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:04 PM
Sep 2015

waited until there are already enough votes to sustain veto.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. Way too many Democratic Party Jewish Senators and Jewish Congressmen have openly chosen religion over common sense and
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:15 PM
Sep 2015

their own President.

Some will need reminding their oath of office and allegiance was given to America, not Israel.

 

ProgressiveJarhead

(172 posts)
8. They Don't Choose
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:43 PM
Sep 2015

religion over common sense and the POTUS. They choose to submit to the lobbyists for another nation. Their job is to put U.S. interests first. In this case, they fail to do so. It is possible to separate being Jewish and supporting Israel unconditionally.

Response to ProgressiveJarhead (Reply #8)

MrBig

(640 posts)
11. This is anti-Semitic garbage
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 02:23 AM
Sep 2015

I shouldn't be surprised - you're just so open and brazen about it, it's a little disgusting.

MrBig

(640 posts)
12. Can't say the result surprises me - but at least some of the jurors wrote well articulated responses
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 02:44 AM
Sep 2015

On Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:22 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

Way too many Democratic Party Jewish Senators and Jewish Congressmen have openly chosen religion over common sense and
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1199126

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Blatant anti-Semitic nonsense which is the norm from this poster. Dual loyalty claims. It's ridiculous

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:36 AM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This poster does seem to have been reading "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" a little too fervently...
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This type of anti-Semitism is a violation of TOS and should be addressed by the admins to the whole of DU! Where are the attacks on Menendez? At what point does this part of the TOS "it also includes any post asserting disloyalty by Jewish Americans" actually get enforced?

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
13. The uselessness of DU in its present form is made clear by the blatant anti-Semitism
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 03:10 AM
Sep 2015

...that's allowed to stand, though if similar comments were made based on gender, race, etc., they'd be hidden 6-1, or 7-0.

The very fact that "Jew baiting" here is the "perfectly acceptable prejudice" precisely proves how blindered everyone is to it.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
16. Can not even SAY "Jewish"and be critical?! But one can say Christian and Muslim and such, no problem! Why the double standard?
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 09:42 AM
Sep 2015

And a double standard it is. As I will now demonstrate:


"Way too many Democratic Party (Christian) Senators and (Christian) Congressmen have openly chosen religion over common sense and their own President.

Some will need reminding their oath of office and allegiance was given to America, not Israel."


That would never be alerted on or considered "anti-Christian" or offensive or in any way a concern......am I right.

I repeat....why the double standard??

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
20. You're an anti-Semite, Fred, pure and simple
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 10:54 AM
Sep 2015

No different than those in the 60's convinced Kennedy was taking his orders from the Vatican, since he was Catholic.

You conflate being Jewish with uncritically supporting Likudnik policies. Of course there are Jews who do (just as there are Christians who do). And there are plenty of Jews who don't.

It's like saying all Muslims are terrorists, etc.

And I'm sick of it, sick of your insinuations, and sick of how DU has coddled you, which they wouldn't, if it was some target other than "the Jews."

You're an anti-Semite, and you're now on my ignore list.

DU may follow shortly.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
21. I will not alert...leave this up so all can see what I am talking about.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 10:58 AM
Sep 2015

Totally unable to refute logic...resort to personal attacks...how pedestrian!

But you will not see my reply....even better!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
30. Seems to only come up with Jewish politicians with respect to Israel
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 03:25 PM
Sep 2015

You don't really see it with Christian politicians for some reason, only Jewish ones.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
31. Then you do not know "me" at all.....not at all!! Which I keep saying, to some avail.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 03:33 PM
Sep 2015

You said:

"You don't really see it with Christian politicians for some reason, only Jewish ones."

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
33. My comment has nothing to do with you personally
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 04:34 PM
Sep 2015

It was meant in general terms - that one sees the dual loyalty thing in relation to Jewish politicians generally speaking.

Edit to add:

For example it came up a lot with Joe Lieberman - whereas not so much with other non-Jewish politicians who had the same views as him with respect to Israel.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
18. 4 posts in 90 days...two are here...oh, and at least one alert sent in 90 days, we know of. I see....
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 10:05 AM
Sep 2015

MrBig

(640 posts)
28. That's Correct
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 03:20 PM
Sep 2015

I choose to read more than post on this site. I find it more educational to learn from others and try to only say something when I feel I have something useful to add.

Why didn't you mention how long I've been a member? Because it didn't fit the conclusion you were trying to draw?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
24. Hmm how lovely, this noise is kind of expected and ANTISEMITIC
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:17 PM
Sep 2015

you are going for the double allegiance crap, to other nations of course.

By the way, there are a bunch of NON JEWS also saying NYET to this. Why not call them that? Oh wait. this trope only applies to Jews who are never loyal, right? RIGHT!

To the potential jurors, answering to a classic antisemitic trope. This poster is less and less coded in his antisemitic posts.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
25. Some folks can hand it out but just can not take it....common human fault, to be expected.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:44 PM
Sep 2015

Try your magic decoder ring on that!

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
34. What a load of patently antisemitic crap!
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 05:34 PM
Sep 2015

Jews, including Jewish elected representatives, can oppose the Iran deal without it having anything to do with religion or other patently antisemitic canards such as purported loyalty to a foreign state.

Given the current polling and declared or anticipated votes, there sure are a whole lot non-Jews who are either mind-controlled by those dastardly Jews or apparently have foreign allegiances, including Senator Menendez.

It's when I read and hear such ridiculous, bigoted garbage, often tolerated on a purportedly liberal, Democratic website, that I begin to question my lifelong Democratic Party registration.

http://www.pollingreport.com/iran.htm

AnAzulTexas

(108 posts)
7. yet another stupid asshole
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 10:44 PM
Sep 2015

so what grand ideas would you like to propose, senator cardin? you petty schmuck

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
14. This thread proves that Cardin isn't the only schmuck around.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 03:11 AM
Sep 2015

You can support the Iran deal, and still be a flaming asshole, evidently.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
19. What other transparently religious and obviously anti-American lobbying group for another foreign nation can get away with this?
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 10:32 AM
Sep 2015

Or purchase unlimited amounts of political advertising and punditry on behalf of a foreign government and threaten American politicians with political consequences if the lobby for the foreign government is not obeyed??

And get away with reliably sounding the familiar and worn-out anti-religious alarm at anyone who might object?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
15. That probably puts getting to 41 out of reach
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:48 AM
Sep 2015

I would expect we will see more senators come out in opposition now that 34 have come out in favor and can sustain an override of a veto.

I'm going on record now that I think Oregon Senator Ron Wyden will oppose it. I just have a gut feeling he's going to get cover from the party to vote no.

lark

(23,105 posts)
22. Primary his ass!!!
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:14 AM
Sep 2015

This is why I refuse to donate to the DNC, or DSCC, they are run by folks like Schumer and Wasserman Schultz who care more for doing little murderers bidding than they do the health and welfare of our country and the world. Plus Schumer is responsible for Alito and Roberts getting on the court. DINOS need to be replaced by people who actually prioritize peace and prosperity for all Americans, not just the 1%.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
29. A lot of "dual loyalty" noise on this post
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 03:23 PM
Sep 2015

Scary that such crap is allowed on DU. And that juries do not see fit to hide.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
40. It seems to be the single most acceptable type of stereotyping allowed/promulgated on D"U" now...
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:06 AM
Sep 2015

n/t

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
37. now that its in the bag it'd probably OK for these things
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:20 PM
Sep 2015

As someone said above, this is why people don't like politicians.

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