Public schools should be public, not private.

There is still SCOTUS to deal with and if they agree to hear the case they could issue a completely different ruling, hopefully they wont agree to hear it in which case the ruling will stand but you never can tell.

....a provision in the state constitution, so the SCOTUS won't be involved.

According to one of the judges, the legislature could fund them through the general budget , or the proponents could seek an ammendment to the state constitution . The amendment rout would probably not work because the original proposition was only narrowly approved by voters.

I strongly object to my tax money funding lessons on the 4000 year old Earth and how Moses helped write the Constitution. It's bad enough these purveyors of myth are thinking and saying these things in their little clans, but using my money to fund their teaching of ignorance is unconstitutional. It's not even okay to teach your children this crap in your hovels of intolerance and bigotry, and thus thrust these ignorant Roundheads on the rest of the country.

Washington state just gave America a wakeup call regarding charter schools. Public money should not be going to line some CEO's already bloated bank account at the expense of children.

which charters in illinois are.

Among other things. Not all non-profits are equal.

and underpaid teachers. There is NOTHING showing that they are, overall, better than public schools. Some do well and plenty actually do worse. Plus, they can choose their students. Public schools can't.

Good for them, I hope this helps to get people to awake to this massive theft of public funds. Ohio's John Kasich and his henchmen have a massive scandal going on. His henchmen completely changed or ignored charter school test schools because the scores were so bad. The charter school CEO's repay the Ohio GOP by giving them massive campaign contributions.

http://www.plunderbund.com/2015/09/04/charter-school-doc-dump-is-john-kasich-lying-or-inept/

"Now that John Kasich and his administration, specifically Dr. Richard Ross who Kasich hired to be Superintendent of Education, has delayed the release of public documents that allow the public a glimpse behind the walls at ODE, offering the preposterous excuse that they “want to get it right,” it’s time Gov. Kasich man-up and take responsibility for the allegedly criminal act instead of casting it as mere political gamesmanship by Democrats and others who see the episode as another tale of deceit and mistrust in the storybook of Kasichlore that always points the finger of blame at others when his conservative principles go haywire."

The mostly conservative owned Ohio news media is ignoring the corruption. I hope someone in the national media pays more attention. Motherjones did a good article, but is not getting much attention elsewhere.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/08/ohio-charter-schools-john-kasich-imagine

"In July, Hansen resigned after admitting he had rigged evaluations of the state's charter school sponsors—the nonprofits that authorize and oversee the schools in exchange for a fee—by not including the failing grades of certain F-rated schools in his assessment. Specifically, he omitted failing virtual schools operated by for-profit management companies that are owned by major Republican donors in the state."


"But Kasich can't distance himself from the problems so easily. He appointed Hansen to his role, and Hansen's wife is Kasich's current presidential campaign manager and former chief of staff. He presided over an expanded charter regime with loosened oversight. Troubled charter schools like those operated by Imagine, which had 17 schools in Ohio at its apex in the 2013-14 school year and 14 schools last year, have proliferated in this environment. Schools with D or F grades receive an estimated 90 percent of the state's charter school funding. Virtual schools, which have an even worse academic track record and insufficient quality controls have been permitted to flourish."

Has a front page expose on these scandals at least once a month. They have a great Investigative team"

It is amazing how many of those Charter Schools have cheated the tax payers,faked tests,had not students. Paid people ten dollars an hour to take tests,closed the doors after stealing millions.

You must remember Kasich said," his years at Lehman Brothers were the happiest of his life.

Now, he is selling the prisons. Marysville just sold. Lebanon is next, then comes the hard core Lucusville.

Wish they would expand to southeastern Ohio. It is really an information desert here. We have right wing owned newspapers, right wing radio and TV. WOUB and The Post have been completely neutered. WOSU sold their AM station to the catholic church, so that massive signal is now religious propaganda day in and night, mostly anti-ACA, anti-contraception and anti-abortion lies. The number of small right wing "religious" radio stations that pollute the airways here is astounding. It is shocking how they get away with the amount of anti-union, right wing, John Birch Society propaganda that is allowed on these self proclaimed religious stations. There is very little to combat the non-stop propaganda. It is so very sad. I even heard one station promoting the idea that black dogs are the devil. Our local humane organizations have a problem getting black dogs adopted due to this outrageous ignorant propaganda.

Come on over Dayton Daily News! Start a branch for central and Southern Ohio. They could start by covering the school sports and get readership and advertising that way and bring some real news to people who never get anything, but right wing propaganda. Even a once a week publication covering the rural counties schools with lots of pictures of kids in sports, band, plays and 4H would get a readership from grandparents and parents. They could even start it online first.

An IPAd or Smart phone? I have the APP, but get the paper too. It may cost a few dollars, but is well worth it.

Another great paper is the Toledo Blade. Do you get the Cincinnati Enquirer?

A woman Editor and President at DDN. They have improved the paper dramatically. Did an Expose on Churches politicking from the Pulpit. That scared a lot of Priests and Pastors.

Maybe You or I could send a suggestion.

To expand to Southeastern Ohio. Close to Portsmouth? Jackson? Circleville?waverly? I could go on and on.

We are in Southwest.

and all those who take part in them. They are set up for only one of three reasons: 1) to decimate the public school systems so that thy can be privatized and some greedy fucking corporation or pig can self aggrandize themselves. 2) by ignorant religious bigots who wish to insulate their children from other religious fait theology thoughts. 3) by racist crackers who want to shield their children from having to interact with children of color.

IMHO all private schools and homeschooling should be outlawed

between our two kids they spent a total of 26 years in the public school system with incredibly caring and excellent teachers! I have watched the fucking right wing denigrate and spread disrespect for public school teachers starting with puss filled shit bag Reagan and continue it to this day!

are African-Americans.

Many of the schools parallel to the Washington publicly funded charter schools just are 90-100% black. So either you're wrong in a bigger sense or we can now call blacks "racist crackers".

And I assume you mean "cracker" as a positive term, so that Obama is one half cracker, born to a cracker. Biden's certainly a cracker.

Same people who profit from or set up the charters.
Many students are minorities are pushed into the charter schools because their local school has been branded as failing. Some parents bought into the lie of charter schools. With all the deception going on, it is hard to figure what is the best thing for one's own children.

Perhaps it is even mostly true or "usually" true, but not always true.

I am incredibly grateful for the charter school that my 15 year old granddaughter is enrolled in this year. It is completely non-religious, has a rigorous and classical structure, the kids are very well supervised, and her parents are updated constantly by the teachers (for both achievement and needed improvement). It hearkens back to the schools I attended in my youth, and it is causing a rapid turnaround for the better in this young lady's education. She was continually getting into major mischief, was failing in all her studies, and causing her parents much work and worry. There is no way they could have afforded private school, and she needed structure and small classes and individual attention (which both parents gave her by the barrel at home, but wasn't enough).

She is having much, much more demanded of her academically, and the school has a high standard of ethics.

She is actually studying Latin! And passing algebra! Hurray!

public? and how is a private school less expensive than public schools? Your masters have you well trained

to the kids already in charter schools that have started this year: first of all, all education that has been received by these kids at charters should be declared null and void and they need to repeat what they did last year and have the course work done at a public institution. In addition to that the Department of Social and Health Services needs to remove these children from their homes and put them in a foster care home that will enroll them in a public school and their parents need to be charged with child abuse.

over the top, much?
trying to find the best fit for your kids should be a crime?
how about taking the kids whose parents send them to dangerous and dysfunctional public schools first?

charters are designed to ruin the public education system and private schools are there to nurse the prejudices of the parents and to brain wash the children into thinking like their parents. Most kids come out of private schools with a superiority complex and are fucking snobs towards the rest of society. I saw it first hand

we dont allow for profit charters. (yes, there are a couple that get around it, but mostly, not.)

there is one around the corner whose focus is to serve one of the mostly ill served populations in the city- spanish speaking kids. their culture is celebrated and their language is encouraged.
there is also one called black pearl arts high. guess what they do.
there are charters that specialize in kids who are flunking out of regular schools because of behavioral problems.
there are catholic schools with all black populations and a 100% college acceptance rate.

and on the other hand there are public schools that are absolute snake pits, and they have been for decades.
some of those have been turned around by making them charters under the university of chicago, one of the foremost education colleges in the world.
but every time one goes into turnaround, there is a hue and cry from people like you. and the teachers union.

you should put away your broad brush. it is not that black and white.

and improve public education, no? It isn't fair to low income students- everyone should have access to free and good schooling.

in fact, more than a couple charters are operating out of former catholic school buildings. only about 1 in 5 remain, if that.
the dioceses has always been pretty wealthy, and historically always offered a decent number of scholarships. nowdays not so much, as i say, they are shutting them down, several pretty much every year.

my sentiment is this- the chicago public schools deserve support. but they have a long and tawdry history that shows they do not deserve a monopoly.

i support teachers, i support unions. but it pisses me off when ctu insists that they speak for children. they dont. they speak for teachers. parents speak for children, and they are voting with their feet.

and destroy those children's lives, then you need to take a step back and re-evaluate what you are advocating.

anti privitization no matter what...like said before 99% all charters and privates are because of either greed or racial or social bogotry

A future you want to shred in order to punish politicians and capitalists who are not these children, nor their parents.

and parents willing to pay for them. But, they should never, ever be supported with public tax dollars. I would go as far as to offer a tax break to parents paying for private schools, based strictly on income.

a private school with my tax dollars. I for one don't want children to be taught that abortion an gay marriage are bad, which is exactly what is happening private schools.

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Another front page story this morning on Dayton Daily.

Emails released where the so called Over Sight board decided to give the Charter Schools a 92.

Shocked reactions from those on the board. This scandal is not going away if the DDN continues to expose the crooks.

by the taxpayers.

I imagine you could show that charter schools in affluent areas were well run and provided a good education. Those in lower income areas milked for every dime with poor results and crapy jobs for teachers and other staff.

Here is a link to check out the charter school performance to public schools. If you want to check it out, some of the rich districts in the Columbus suburbs are Granville, Grandview and Grandview Heights, Hilliard, Upper Arlington, Bexley, Dublin, Olentangy, and New Albany(which is where Les Wexner started a very up scale housing development).

http://knowyourcharter.com/

Here is another article,which is mostly behind a paywall now, but lists a few less affluent schools which you can use for searching the above site.

http://archive.lancastereaglegazette.com/article/20140610/NEWS01/306100019

It is truly shocking ripoff of public tax dollars right into the hands of a very few very wealthy and well connected to the GOP people here in Ohio. It may not be as connected to the GOP in other states, but here in Ohio it is a disgusting theft of public funds, which harms children to enrich a very few GOP connected businessmen who then turn around and donate very generously back to the GOP to keep the GOP in power here in Ohio. Our state is being robbed on a massive scale and we cannot get anyone to investigate it that will create any sort of public outrage. The right wing owned news outlets do a great job promoting the OSU football and basketball teams, but ignore the theft of public funds of their right wing friends and family. GO BUCKS!

SAT scores dropped in the '80s. But the high-achieving kids that had formerly taken the SAT not only had their scores stay the same, they increased.

The average was the result of a changing mix of students.

If you have a class average made up of 20 kids making 80s and 10 kids making 60s, you get a nice average of 73.

The next year you keep the same 20 kids but add in 30 additional kids. If you then have a class average made up of 20 kids making 90s and 40 kids making 62, you get a class average of 71.

Then you have the silly claim that averages went down but every kid improved. That's the SAT. Lots of controls necessary, and advocacy science often doesn't do good controls. For them, science is all about finding support for their position.

They really need to read--and, a much, much harder task, understand--Feynman's "cargo cult science" lecture.

depending on the state. Some are for profit, and they shouldn't be funded with public money. Nor should private or parochial schools of any kind.

However, there is always room for private schools, and the majority of secular private schools are quite good, and should be serving as a model for how more public schools should be funded.

I chose to send my two sons to a very good secular private school, removing them from an excellent public school system because my older son was being bullied, and it was clear it was not going to stop. In fact, at first we only put the older son in the private school, and then moved the younger son because we were so happy with it.

We were amazed at the academics, and immensely pleased with the much smaller class sizes. The private school wasn't perfect, but for us it was vastly better than the public one.

I was often very unpopular because I openly stated that I should not be exempt from penny one of taxes, just because I could afford to send my kid to the private school. The truth is, no matter how many kids any of us have, we only have children in a public school for a relatively few years, and we ALL benefit from good public schools. Unfortunately, a lot of people have lost sight of that, and it's become very popular to trash teachers these days, and certain governors think teachers should be happy with something a bit above minimum wage.

School is something too important to be held in the hands of for profit corporations or untrained religious nuts. Hopefully this can lead up to the abolishment of private schools/homeschooling.

I hope this comes to CA next.