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alp227

(32,034 posts)
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:15 PM Sep 2015

Republican Bush says multiculturalism wrong for US

Source: AP

CEDAR FALLS, Iowa (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush said Tuesday that multiculturalism is bad for the United States, adding that immigrants who close themselves off from American culture deny themselves access to economic rewards.

The former governor of Florida, who speaks fluent Spanish and often touts his success winning Latino votes in a party that badly needs them, addressed the issue in a packed northern Iowa diner as he met people in the crowd.

A young woman approached the candidate and asked how the federal government could help refugees better incorporate into U.S. society.

"We should not have a multicultural society," Bush said, before beginning a longer explanation of his views of what comprises culture in the U.S.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/04f9e6fee2894f9981d3ba4570211696/republicans-bush-says-multiculturalism-wrong-us

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Republican Bush says multiculturalism wrong for US (Original Post) alp227 Sep 2015 OP
What'd he say? bucolic_frolic Sep 2015 #1
He said if you wanna be rich and successful you have to be like him. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #2
Do you mean by being born into a rich family? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2015 #37
He stole "The South Shall Rise Again". Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #48
Says the man whose wife can barely speak English. n/t Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #3
You beat me to it - GMTA. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #5
Don't you mean barely speaks American? Frustratedlady Sep 2015 #7
Not to mention his brother... n/t xocet Sep 2015 #10
LOL. L. Coyote Sep 2015 #14
Haaaaa!!!! nt Ilsa Sep 2015 #24
Pfffft!! Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #62
If she spoke better American, maybe she'd have Ilsa Sep 2015 #25
The absolute ignorance of the GOP hurts my brain. Lint Head Sep 2015 #4
wtf does he mean? arely staircase Sep 2015 #6
Brilliantly stupid. truthisfreedom Sep 2015 #8
immigrants who close themselves off from American culture hibbing Sep 2015 #9
Damn Solly Mack Sep 2015 #11
They don't close themselves off to Americanism. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #12
Bush: "Money is more important than your culture." What a clueless, vacuous, fatuous, inane, L. Coyote Sep 2015 #13
I hate this whole clan spiderpig Sep 2015 #15
"Nativism is ascendant in the Republican Party. Donald Trump rose to the top of presidential primary pampango Sep 2015 #16
F U Bush joe_stampingbull Sep 2015 #17
I thought native Americans didn't call themselves "native Americans." Lychee2 Sep 2015 #33
To people like him, U.S. "culture" MUST be (sanitized) Western European BumRushDaShow Sep 2015 #18
I will take western civ over any other any day... Elmergantry Sep 2015 #20
Sure. BumRushDaShow Sep 2015 #22
Kind of strange how migrants are fleeing to the horrible western civilization Elmergantry Sep 2015 #23
Saudi Arabia and the rest of the rich middle eastern states aren't accepting refugees n2doc Sep 2015 #28
When immigrants "flee" here BumRushDaShow Sep 2015 #29
In that case the US Elmergantry Sep 2015 #50
I suppose you haven't paid attention to the current GOP Presidential line up. eom BumRushDaShow Sep 2015 #52
Or more accurately... LanternWaste Sep 2015 #53
Im not saying the western civ is perfect by any means Elmergantry Sep 2015 #64
well it was looking like restorefreedom Sep 2015 #19
Dumb as a stump Steviehh Sep 2015 #21
Jeb is pandering due to trump Gothmog Sep 2015 #26
Let's see him say that in Miami n2doc Sep 2015 #27
FUJEB! eppur_se_muova Sep 2015 #30
Pick up a history book, you fucking moron. tabasco Sep 2015 #31
Jeb! is too busy burning them. 47of74 Sep 2015 #45
Stupid Ass BigDemVoter Sep 2015 #32
Dumber than imagined appacom Sep 2015 #34
The quality of the posts in this thread is below the normal level. Lychee2 Sep 2015 #35
Then I guess this place is not for you. tabasco Sep 2015 #38
That's not up to you. Lychee2 Sep 2015 #39
LOL. My opinion is most certainly up to me. tabasco Sep 2015 #43
You're dictating after being on DU for 2 weeks? Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #42
Calm down, Elmer. Lychee2 Sep 2015 #44
OK - change it to scolding then. Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #46
Much as you know do for adding a cathartic response lacking rational thought? LanternWaste Sep 2015 #54
Doing some oppositional research, huh? Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #63
I feel like we have very different ideas of what multiculturalism means Bradical79 Sep 2015 #36
Finally an incisive comment! Lychee2 Sep 2015 #41
"We should not have freedom of expression, religion, or ethnic cultures." Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #40
can we ban st patricks day??????? and deport those damn irish dancers dembotoz Sep 2015 #47
No more El Shaman Sep 2015 #49
He used a bad choice of words but has a point taught_me_patience Sep 2015 #51
Fortunately they are "integrating into american culture" and not "closing themselves off into pampango Sep 2015 #55
The problem is he used what has become a dog whistle term from the '90s BumRushDaShow Sep 2015 #57
Jeb, "Where's Columba?" "Uh - under the bus where you threw her?" yellowcanine Sep 2015 #56
tough talk for a guy whose "America is great" ad features stock images from other countries 0rganism Sep 2015 #58
!! BumRushDaShow Sep 2015 #59
Columba Bush could not be reached for comment. KamaAina Sep 2015 #60
Republican Bush? oberliner Sep 2015 #61
Definitely too many immigrants from Dumfukistan n/t Kennah Sep 2015 #65

bucolic_frolic

(43,190 posts)
1. What'd he say?
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:20 PM
Sep 2015

Was that support for melting pot, or a slap against ethnic locales, or
a one party one rule push, or it's all about money anyway?

White man speak with forked tongue.

37. Do you mean by being born into a rich family?
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:36 AM
Sep 2015

I've always thought "Right to Rise" sounds like a slogan for Viagra.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
25. If she spoke better American, maybe she'd have
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:54 AM
Sep 2015

Beat the rap on that customs fashion/jewelry smuggling operation she tried to get away with. He's right: her lack of acclimation has affected her success!

How is JEB going to manage her FLOTUS duties if he wins it all?

hibbing

(10,098 posts)
9. immigrants who close themselves off from American culture
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 12:33 AM
Sep 2015

I would like to close myself off from a lot of American culture, whatever that means, but I don't think that is really very possible.

Peace

Baitball Blogger

(46,737 posts)
12. They don't close themselves off to Americanism.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 02:02 AM
Sep 2015

But they will turn their backs on anyone who supports a system that is inherently discriminatory.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
13. Bush: "Money is more important than your culture." What a clueless, vacuous, fatuous, inane,
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 02:15 AM
Sep 2015

witless, empty head that one is.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
16. "Nativism is ascendant in the Republican Party. Donald Trump rose to the top of presidential primary
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 06:01 AM
Sep 2015
polls after his attacks on Mexicans. His support increased when he proposed deporting millions of Hispanic undocumented immigrants. Ben Carson, adding to an already impressive list of daffy prescriptions, suggested last weekend that Muslims should be barred from the presidency despite the Constitution's unambiguous decree that the office is not subject to a religious test.

Trump, Carson and others appealing to the insecurities of conservatives promise to "take back America" in part by turning back the great cultural tide of recent decades. Heavy immigration has muddied American demographics, and the changes appear irreversible due to relatively high birth rates among Hispanics and rising rates of interracial marriage. For some, the result is an anxious Babel -- "This is a country where we speak English, not Spanish," Trump declared at last week's CNN debate.

In speech and demeanor, Bush conveys a steady decency, readily dispensed. But a sizable part of the electorate choosing the next Republican nominee appears to be not only anti-something but very nearly anti-everything. The party's anti-establishment, anti-government, anti-immigrant voters resent the privileged past from which Bush arose. And they resent the pluralistic future to which his personal and political journey leads.

For now, the fractured Republican field enables Bush to pursue the nomination without seeking the support of the party Antis. But can a Republican gain the nomination in 2016 without reckoning with the forces propelling Trump, Carson, Cruz and Fiorina? If Bush succeeds in reaching a point in the campaign where he needs to expand his coalition to include voters on the resentful right, he may discover that he no longer speaks their language.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-22/jeb-bush-wages-risky-war-on-nativist-republican-party

Multiculturalism and diversity have long been favorite targets of the republican right, both a personal level and an electoral one.

Bush seems to be attempting toe expand his 'coalition' to include the 'resentful right' with his anti-multiculturalism rhetoric.

BumRushDaShow

(129,116 posts)
18. To people like him, U.S. "culture" MUST be (sanitized) Western European
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 06:28 AM
Sep 2015

because eurocentricism is SUPREME and all others are backwards savages.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
20. I will take western civ over any other any day...
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 07:51 AM
Sep 2015

Weve gotten beyond cutting people heads off for having the wrong religion, hanging for being gay, no longer treat women like livestock. Others cultures..mm not so much.

BumRushDaShow

(129,116 posts)
22. Sure.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:24 AM
Sep 2015

if you are a male white, land-owning, capitalistic scum who brought my ancestors here in luxury quarters -



and who continue to do this to my people and other POC -











Of course this is acceptable to people here!

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
23. Kind of strange how migrants are fleeing to the horrible western civilization
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:45 AM
Sep 2015

Last edited Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:26 AM - Edit history (1)

isnt it? Youd think they would flock to those far superior cultures like found in say, Saudi Arabia, Iran or perhaps China...lot of jobs in China I hear...

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
28. Saudi Arabia and the rest of the rich middle eastern states aren't accepting refugees
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:53 AM
Sep 2015

They are going where they can. Africa is also embroiled in conflict.

BumRushDaShow

(129,116 posts)
29. When immigrants "flee" here
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:09 AM
Sep 2015

they quickly discover the truth, where Haitians are allowed to drown at sea or are stalked like animals and brutalized -





Or others are shoved into warehouses like those fleeing from Central America -



And let's not talk about the U.S. agricultural industry.

I think maybe the rose-colored glasses need some adjustments.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
50. In that case the US
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 12:58 PM
Sep 2015

and other western countries needs to do some advertising saying "Dont come here, it really really SUCKS!"

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
53. Or more accurately...
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:39 PM
Sep 2015

Or more accurately, "it doesn't suck as much as some places, sucks worse than others..."

However, I realize the desire for many people to pretend that escaping war and poverty from country B to country A implicitly means country A is the best there is rather than merely the best in a particular and specific context.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
64. Im not saying the western civ is perfect by any means
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:43 PM
Sep 2015

No such thing as uptopia afterall, but there is a reason why many more seeking to come in then to leave. its the best thing going so far. I don't think the balkanizing of western society via "multiculturalism" serves the west. Assimilation is much better. But that doesn't mean western civ cant adopt the best of what other cultures can bring to the table. I come from a Slavic heritage. Grandparents were immigrants. We have kept some of the traditions; I used to folk dance and sing the songs from the "old country" However we are "all American" at the same time. There was never special accommodations demanded of the adoptive country. The idea was to "become American" in all aspects of the public life. The traditions were remembered in private settings such as thru benevolent socities, the church, etc.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
19. well it was looking like
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 06:49 AM
Sep 2015

his chances for nom were pretty low anyway....please let this be the last bush who tries to get into the wh


Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
26. Jeb is pandering due to trump
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:04 AM
Sep 2015

Trump is pushing Jeb to the right and now Jeb is pandering to the right. If Jeb does become the nominee, this will be used agaisnst him in the general election

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
32. Stupid Ass
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:02 AM
Sep 2015

And it's even more stupid when you look at his wife, as another person has already noted. He speaks Spanish at home, and his wife is from Mexico. . . .

How can he NOT state that multiculturalism is GOOD for America?

Let's not forget that Jeb Bush is not stupid, unlike his fucking idiot of a brother, GWB. He's a cynical, lying, sack of shit, more along the lines of his criminal ex-CIA Chief of a father and his asshole of a mother.

appacom

(296 posts)
34. Dumber than imagined
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:12 AM
Sep 2015

Why didn't this boy use all that white skin privilege to get an education? He really is dumber than his damned brother.

 

Lychee2

(405 posts)
35. The quality of the posts in this thread is below the normal level.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:18 AM
Sep 2015

Almost no rationality at all. Basically just catharsis. This kind of crude emotional verbiage does not help Democrats. A lot of people visit this site to see what liberal Dems are thinking. Too bad they are going to see this.

But I hope you all feel better now.

 

Lychee2

(405 posts)
44. Calm down, Elmer.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:50 AM
Sep 2015

I like you. But you're off the mark if you think I am "dictating." How could I possibly do that? I wasn't "dictating"; I was scolding. That's different.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
54. Much as you know do for adding a cathartic response lacking rational thought?
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:42 PM
Sep 2015

"But I hope you all feel better now...."

Much as you know do for adding a cathartic and emotionally laden response lacking almost no rational thought? In effect, indicting others for the very same activity you yourself are engaging in. Six of one, half a dozen of the other... insert distinction lacking a difference in space below provided free of charge.

Hope you feel better, indeed.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
36. I feel like we have very different ideas of what multiculturalism means
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:33 AM
Sep 2015

I never really thought of multiculturalism as "closing themselves off from American culture". I don't know how to address complaints of multiculturalism when we don't have the same fundamental understanding of the term.

 

Lychee2

(405 posts)
41. Finally an incisive comment!
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:46 AM
Sep 2015

Yes, this is a verbal disagreement about the meaning of "multiculturalism." Jeb is using the word in a negative sense to mean little exclusive islands of different cultures within a larger society (India would be an example of this). But there is another more inclusive sense of "multiculturalism" which means preserving the food, music, dance, literature, etc., of America's varied cultural heritage so that everyone can enjoy them.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
40. "We should not have freedom of expression, religion, or ethnic cultures."
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:43 AM
Sep 2015

He might as well just have said it that way. What a loser.

dembotoz

(16,808 posts)
47. can we ban st patricks day??????? and deport those damn irish dancers
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 12:24 PM
Sep 2015

close all the ethnic restaurants and reopen them as applebees.

yah some places will have 5 applebees on the same block but it must be done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


and Pizza Hut? well no there is nothing Italian there

and cancel octoberfest....hell lets just cancel october...damn silly month, will get us closer to the 4th of july

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
51. He used a bad choice of words but has a point
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:32 PM
Sep 2015

Immigrants should strive to integrate into society at large and integrate american culture into their own instead of closing themselves off into isolated pockets.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
55. Fortunately they are "integrating into american culture" and not "closing themselves off into
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:45 PM
Sep 2015

isolated pockets."

Newest Immigrants Assimilating as Fast as Previous Ones, Report Says

The newest generations of immigrants are assimilating into American society as fast and broadly as the previous ones, with their integration increasing over time “across all measurable outcomes,” according to a report published on Monday by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.

Immigrants’ education levels, the diversity of their jobs, their wages and their mastery of English improved as they lived for more time in the United States, and the gains were even greater for their American-born children, the report concluded.

“The force of integration is strong,” said Mary C. Waters, a sociologist at Harvard who led the panel of 18 immigration scholars who wrote the more than 400-page report. “However we do it, we are good at it,” she said.

Professor Waters said the report should allay fears that recent immigrants committed crimes more frequently than Americans, that they were generally in poor health and burden public health care systems, or that they were failing to learn English.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/22/us/newest-immigrants-assimilating-as-well-as-past-ones-report-says.html

This study will put another hole in the republcans' campaigns to discredit all immigrants (legal and illegal) and convince Americans that diversity and multiculturalism are bad things.

BumRushDaShow

(129,116 posts)
57. The problem is he used what has become a dog whistle term from the '90s
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 02:01 PM
Sep 2015

originally prompted by Arthur Schlesinger, Jr's bullshit book "The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society" that helped to birth ilk like Dinesh D'Souza and a whole cadre of RW loons. They took the term and twisted it into something completely unrecognizable in order to help maintain European supremacy as "the American Culture".... despite the fact that the "American culture" adopted and amalgamated the cultures of the many who reside here.

Unlike much of the rest of the world, the (post-colonial) U.S. did not evolve as a homogeneous society. Its very existence on the land of what were once hundreds of thousands of indigenous peoples, while dragging many hundreds of thousands more here against their will, guaranteed it to be heterogeneous. And when the "many" among the "one" here demanded inclusion of their contributions to the revolutionary founding and evolutionary history of this country, they were dismissed outright and ridiculed, while the term "multicultural" was turned on its head to become a negative... while other terms like "political correctness" were coined to further marginalize non-western European citizens (or others who did not fit a certain criteria) who attempted to bring some civility to cultural or other-abled discussions.

The fact that we are today arguing over the name of Washington D.C.'s NFL football team - the "Redskins" is a case in point of the complete tone deafness of truly having multicultural versus a distorted monoculture.

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