I'm sure that Hillary and Gen. Petraeus were talking about shopping or yoga. Nothing to see here.

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a covert operation with dozens of operatives on the ground there before, during, and after the attacks.

Benghazi was a CIA covert op and every Repub on the intel committee knew it within 2 weeks of the attack. Knowing the secrecy involved the cynical Repubs knew they could make hay out of blaming HRC and the State Dept for as long as the corpmedia would let them get away with it. No one in WH would rush to want to talk openly about a covert CIA operation.


I'm glad Petraeus' name is popping up on this. The corpmedia has been negligent.

It covers the covert op too.

The story, and the stories it links to say:

1. The State Department emails that are being turned over to the Benghazi committee were NOT emails Clinton failed to turn over. THE STATE DEPARTMENT missed them.

2. There were only a "handful" (their words) of Benghazi-related emails the State Department had missed.

3. The State Department is turning over some 900 additional emails that they didn't previously turn over because (in their words) the Benghazi committee is "widening" the scope of its investigation to include the entire civil war, and not just the attack on the US Consulate. (In other words, they're widening the fishing expedition in the hopes of finding something embarrassing, but even if they don't they've succeeded in ginning up another faux scandal about emails that allegedly weren't turned over before. Pretty clever.)

4. A small number of emails that contained no classified information, and dealt with personnel matters were exchanged between Clinton and Petraeus, mostly BEFORE she was even sworn in as Sec State; and which she claims were made from an old AT&T Blackberry account which she no longer has access to, and therefore couldn't turn over. (They were found by searching Petraeus' in box in the Pentagon server.) There was a carefully crafted sentence in the story which was designed to HINT that some of the emails between her and Petraeus in February 2009 were sent from the infamous private server, and not the AT&T account, but IMHO that sentence was just put there as clickbait.


So, in no case do I see an example of Clinton withholding emails that she was in a position to release. I see one case of the State Department overlooking a "handful" of emails; and one case of some extremely non-scandelous emails sent between her and Petraeus before she even started work at the State Department, and which she no longer has access to (according to her).

But still, this faux scandal is guaranteed to give the monkeys something to throw their feces at for another week or so.

they got them from him and not her.

Where did they go?

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She's not as good as Sanders but would be acceptable as president.

You might care less about the emails -- but the Republicans would never shut up about them. And the growing perception that Clinton is dishonest and untrustworthy would become the centerpiece f the campaign.

That is why the Republicans continue to push this nonstory, trying to get her polling numbers down.

And I believe it grows more false with each passing day.

Too bad many Democrats don't see it, and probably will not until a Republican is elected in 2016, then we can all come back to DU and whine about how horrible it is.

That's why Hillary supporters keep posting vile smears against him and attacking him on his strengths.

But he's also got the mojo she so desperately craves. Grass roots trumps Astro turf, every day of the week.

Secretary Clinton has situated herself roughly in the middle of the political spectrum, she brags of being a moderate, but many voters who are more comfortable with her positioning than that of Sanders will also weigh other factors.

And that has a lot to do with electability. Everyone remembers McCain's run in 1999/2000. He was getting swing voters who thought him too conservative but who believed they needed to support reform.

Senator Sanders is the mirror opposite of that. And as a bonus he doesn't have the negatives of sketchy fund raising in the past that McCain suffered from.

People are tired of carrying water for a politician who makes unforced errors.

When I hear my normally non-political friends refer to Hillary as a liar or untrustworthy, I know something is up.

Not ideal but better than the alternative. She will make no big changes because the Establishment got her her position. I just wish she was not so afraid of the polls and would stand for some Democratic ideals but perhaps she really doesn't believe in them? She could do better.

Welcome to DU!

But I get your point.

I just don't like her. She is a liar. Bill lied and she is copying that but Bill lied better than her.

Bush W. lied too but he was more likable than Gore. Americans vote on who is most likable rather than who is more competent. Probably because the media spin campaigns for President as a horse race rather than actually discuss the issues. Rarely do you hear a candidate actually say what they want to accomplish in their 4 years as President. The media wants to take jabs at gaffes rather than give candidates time to tell you what they think will work and how they think they are the best person for the job. You always hear about the 24 hour news cycle and their having to try and figure out how to fill that time, they have plenty of time to let candidates express their ideas.

crimes.

Camus meus id comedit

When you ignore security suggestions?

When you mishandle classified material on an unsecured system?

When you decide which of your e-mails should be revealed and then attempt to delete and wipe the rest?

Or when the guy in charge of the military sends business e-mails to the Secretary of State regarding Benghazi which are found and that Clinton deleted with her "yoga info"???

Because at some point it DID become a story.

A Juicy target for the Chinese, Russians and the MOSSAD. Set up by an unvetted contractor and outsourced with admin privileges to a company with NO security clearance. Evidently the same company that wiped her server (with a cloth)



One wonders if petreus sent her any classified info.

From the article:

The State Department wasn't required to turn over all 55,000 pages from Clinton's email server to the Benghazi committee. Just the ones related to Benghazi. And (apparently) the State Department missed "a handful" (their words). So, the headline that Clinton failed to turn over emails isn't correct. So far there is no evidence that she withheld anything that she was related to her work, and which she had the ability to turn over but didn't.

The State Department was the middleman between her and the committee. But not just a middleman. They second-guessed Hillary's initial cull.

She claims she went through the thousands of emails on the server, and forwarded anything and everything related to work to the State Department, and then erased the whole thing. Her 'cull' was to separate work related emails from personal ones, and the State Department did a second "cull" separating anything related to the Benghazi attack from everything else, and sending that to the committee. The State Department is now saying they missed a few of those. But they weren't required to turn them all over.

As I said above, however, what the Benghazi committee is now doing is pretty clever, from a political viewpoint. They claim to be "widening" their investigation into the whole Libyan civil war, and asking for all the emails related to that, and not just the ones about Benghazi. So, as a result of widening their investigation (aka 'fishing expedition for embarrassing stuff') the State Department is having to turn over 900 MORE emails. It's nothing scandalous, but the Republicans can now start another whispering campaign that Clinton and the State Department "withheld" 900 emails that they didn't hand over previously. (Of course they didn't hand them over previously, because it wasn't part of their mandate to do so.) And the State Department is saying they found this handful of emails as a result of taking a second look through Clinton's email to find mails related to the wider mandate.

Pretty good political strategy by Gowdy, actually. All they have to do is "widen" the investigation every couple of months, thus getting the State Department to turn over 1000 or so new emails every month, and then claim they were "withholding" stuff from the committee.

didn't include them before.

The exact quote from the subpoena is "January 1, 2011 through December 31, 2012," which nobody is claiming she do. Well, at least not directly. I guess to comply with the subpoena properly she should have sent those emails, and only those emails directly to the committee; rather than sending (supposedly) all the work-related documents to the State Department.

But I was just going by the State Department's explanation of why they did another review of the document cache, and why they're providing a substantial number of new documents.

"They are being handed over as part of 925 new documents the department is giving the committee, which a State Department spokesperson told the Guardian was partly because the committee was widening its scope from the attack in September 2012 to the civil war in Libya at large. “The documents provided today do not alter the fundamental facts known about the Benghazi attacks,” the official said."

See my post above. So this isn't an expansion of what the committee asked for in the first place.

The Petraeus emails, for example. They came from the Defense Department, not Hillary or State.

The success or failure of the Clinton campaign lies in the hands of six intelligence agencies and the FBI. They play for keeps. If she wins or loses, they won.

He is doing all he can as Secretary of State to impede the investigation. Not that he can do much, but he's obviously trying.

They are twisting her in the wind. For all the blather about the Benghazi committee it's the Obama administration that is hurting her on a weekly basis. All those leaks from senior administration officials, they all report to president Obama.

And pushed to get stuff back from Hillary Clinton. Note the first NYT article speaks of the decision to negotiate to get themwent up to David Wade, Kerry's long time top aide.

It also seems Kerry intentionally had the then new State IG investigate procedures and recommend fixes. Kerry for decades was for transparency and following the laws that give Congress oversight.

This has to be tough to balance as it involves Obama's legacy, however it would not help HRC for JK to have stonewalled or covered for her. It, in fact, was a rw attack that the SD intentionally was producing things slowly. This ignores that that actually would hurt Clinton dragging things out.

IMO, the SD was left a mess by HRC. As soon as they realized that ALL HRC email came from her servor, the only thing they could do was what they did - ask for it back and get the story out before the Republicans did. They helped HRC as much as they could by asking other SoS and disclosing this AFTER they got all the email HRC was willing to give them.

In addition, Kerry has approved assigning 50 extra people to what was a 12 person department to handled the requests. He also created a new position and filled it that will implement changes the IG recommended.

He has distanced himself. This makes sense as he worked on things like Iran, climate change with China, Cuba, Syrian CW, ISIS and other things that don't make the political radar - like his help on Sri Lanka. All these things, while delegating the dealing with HRC'S mess to career ( non political) people trained to do FOIA requests.

1) Did HRC use her .gov email address for anything?

2) Did Cheryl Mills, Huma Abedin, or any other staffers use the server for their emails?

3) If the answer to #2, is "YES", then have the staffer(s) given any reason(s) as to why they used the server?

TIA.

1) HRC said she never used a State.gov address

2) We know that Mills and Abedin used both -- opening up the possibility of emails to State Department people never on State.gov.

Both Abedin and Mills were Clinton people who joined the State department and left the department with her. The SD has no subpoena power and neither women now work there. I assume the committees before which they testified likely asked those questions.

From the article:

Started using personal server in early January but claimed not to have done so until mid March?

Nixon's erased tapes deja vu time?

and running a covert CIA operation there and directing dozens of agents and operatives on the ground there before, during, and after the attack?

It was NEVER Clinton's responsibility in the way GOP wants public to believe. It was State Dept doing what they have done since CIA was formed……cooperate.

They came from the Defense Department, not Hillary or State.

By "odd" I mean to suggest that this omission of hers may have been deliberate.

It was never really the State Dept in charge once Petraeus set up his operation, and those killed were well aware they were part of the op, as the consulate's annex was being used as the hub.

Republicans in congress all know this - they also made an opportunity of the reticence of those officials involved, they knew no WH would out a covert CIA mission (none with scruples, anyway) and the traitors have been twisting it to their POLITICAL advantage. It's a shame that Democrats have joined them in pushing their BIG LIE.

To quote Gov Perry.

Literally the first day of the new Administration. That may be the biggest revelation here. Recall, this was two years before the "spontaneous" eruption of the Arab Spring and months before she was even sworn into office.

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One with the advisors of her choosing and without the oversight of the Whitehouse.

Note Sidney Bloomenthal was forbidden by the Whitehouse to work at state. Hillary disregarded that, as the emails document, he continued in his role as trusted advisor.

Sid Blumenthal claims his source for his email about the attack in Libya was Tyler Drumheller who was the CIA officer who called out Bush about the Curveball deception. Drumheller retired in 2005 as head of the Directorate for Operations in Europe. He and Blumenthal worked Hillary's 2008 campaign.

Drumheller died on August 5, 2015 of pancreatic cancer so he won't be testifying.

The Clinton campaign didn't respond immediately to a request from The Associated Press for comment, but on Friday, Brian Fallon, the Clinton campaign's press secretary, wrote: "We always said the emails given to State dated back only to March 09. That was when she started using.

These 10 e-mails predate March 09.

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the Pentagon, the FBI, or Petraeus himself? Shows that Clinton was up and running with that server weeks before she claimed she was using it. Why delete or exclude what sound like innocuous emails? I'm guessing these emails won't be the last to pop up from the "missing" months.

She'll look like a spiral cut ham when this is done and over with.

Most all these leaks are senior administration officials. You can imagine the admins reactions week to week... they must be loving this.

It's hard to see this as anything but well deserved payback.

My understanding is that there's some significant grumbling over at State that their time and resources are being frittered away due to what they see as an error in judgement. They now have to worry about having to answer very pointed questions about how they run their operation.

The nature of our universe dictates that there's a finite limit to everything*, so the more e-mails that get uncovered, the closer we get to there being an end to their discovery.

*Though some theories postulate a different kind of universe. Under some of those there is no theoretical limit to the number of undiscovered e-mails that can be found. They can just cycle endlessly out of the mouth of a wormhole. Physics can be horrifying!

operation run by CIA Director Petraeus and Secretary Clinton that involved the US in transfer of arms and Jihadi fighters from Libya to Syria facilitating the destruction of both by ISIS. It's about covert operations and policy failures of the worst kind. Genocide and massive humanitarian crisis were the result.

Hillary Clinton and David Petraeus had command responsibility for the war crimes that resulted.

As opposed to that wonderland of freedom she and petreus left behind in Libya.

The immigration crisis is directly tied to her regime change. She was so proud of herself, almost giddy she could overthrow a leader like the rest of the boys.

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These are after all self inflicted wounds.

I don't think Hillary will win the nomination let alone the general and this shit isn't going to be what does it either. Hillary is not liked by a lot of voters and thats what will keep her out of the white house. Why keep beating this dead horse. Hey republiCONs look at the eyes of this horse and you'll see they've glassed over a long ass time ago.
Leave her alone, jeeze

that after the bitter and ugly primary in 08, pres o never should have trusted her with this post. i wonder if he regrets his choice.

it still amazes me that of all the qualified people who could have done that job, he chose someone whose candidacy went ugly and pulled out the dog whistles to bring him down.

to the Republicans, the powerful Clintons and their supporters, and while after that tough primary I needed more time to forgive them for their tactics, I admired him for staying above the fray.

amd a forgiving heart. no way i would have done it