Biden Would Enter 2016 Race As Most Popular Candidate: Poll
Source: NBC NEWS
SEP 28 2015, 5:48 PM ET
by CARRIE DANN
Joe Biden hasn't yet announced his plans for a 2016 White House bid, but a new poll shows that he would enter the race as the most popular presidential candidate if he chose to toss his hat into the ring.
According to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, 40 percent of Americans have a positive impression of Biden, while 28 percent have a negative impression (+12).
That's compared to fellow Democrats Bernie Sanders (+10) and Hillary Clinton (-8), and to top-tier GOP candidates Ben Carson (+8), Carly Fiorina (+7) and Donald Trump (-33).
Biden would also out-perform Clinton in hypothetical head-to-head general election matchups against top Republican presidential hopefuls.
Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/biden-would-enter-2016-race-most-popular-candidate-poll-n435076
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Most popular! By two whole points! News orgs are just desperate to have him enter the race.
mak3cats
(1,573 posts)...I'm sure you meant "Meh." Don't you just love the way language is used pretty much any way one wants to skew perception?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Saw two articles about Warren's speech mentioning racial injustice, one glowing and proclaiming ot the speech BLM has been 'waiting to hear', and the other kept using words like it was having to be forced out of her, that she was simply 'acknowledging' it, or 'conceding' it. I don't imagine either was true. She probably spoke honestly and openly about racial injustice, but BLM wants actions more than words. They've gotten the candidates to roll out racial justice platforms, but if they're 'waiting to hear' anything, it's that people are already working on implementing those plans now, not waiting for the elections.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)majority to Congress 0R . . . OBAMA DOES MORE BY EXECUTIVE ORDER and working with the Justice Department and FBI.
Three choices: elect more Democrats to Congress -- takes time, have to wait until next election -- change things at the local level in local police departments across the country -- hard to organize and rather haphazard -- PUT PRESSURE ON OBAMA.
Those are the three choices as I see it. And it is too late to change congress before 2016. Any action on that by the BLM movement?
We desperately need the change, but 2014 was the year to elect today's Congress.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The logical course to get immediate action would be to pressure Obama and Lynch (formerly Holder). But apparently they are sacred cows, not to be criticized. So attack the old white Jewish guy who's fought for civil rights for 55 years. It's really flawed logic...like waging war on Iraq because Saudi Arabia attacked us. But it's the path BLM chose....they can't blame lack of immediate action on anyone but themselves.
Kingofalldems
(38,487 posts)Winner.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,487 posts)That okay with you?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)PatSeg
(47,608 posts)It would be unbeatable.
WheelWalker
(8,956 posts)PatSeg
(47,608 posts)one the republicans don't want to see. Also I think together they would be really good for the country.
gateley
(62,683 posts)a LONG established Washington insider (although people should knows he's way more liberal than Obama, for e.g.) and Warren would appeal to those truly hankering for a change.
PatSeg
(47,608 posts)and knows how to compromise, people assume he is more moderate than he really is.
bucolic_frolic
(43,305 posts)to balance any GOP shenanigans
I've posted before, i see no downside to VP Biden entering the race.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Do you think he would make a strong candidate?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)That act includes a provision that prohibits getting forgiveness of student loan debt in a Bankruptcy Court. It's a really bad provision especially for kids who took out student loans to go to college and then dropped out before completing a marketable degree or certificate.
Biden would be a continuation of the Obama administration's problems including its weak stance on economic inequality.
Biden is another sold out to Wall Street candidate.
He is popular until he opens his mouth and has to defend the situation in the US today.
The fact that the arms we gave to the rebels in Syria thinking they were moderate have ended up in not so moderate hands will be a big problem for both Hillary and Biden in the 2016 race.
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/09/26/us-backed-syrian-rebels-handed-over-equipment-al-qaeda-affiliate-military-admits
We need Sanders because he is not associated with the problematic aspects of the past of the Obama administration and of Democratic politics such as the 2005 Bankruptcy Act.
Besides, Biden voted for the War in Iraq.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
WheelWalker
(8,956 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)He's just a male Hill.
Corporatist.
HomerRamone
(1,112 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... where they probably do not like continue being in continual college debt that they can't declare bankruptcy from largely from Biden's pushing the bankruptcy bill to get passed in the senate that basically SCREWED them! If they start voting, I think Biden won't be their choice!
erronis
(15,341 posts)But these companies can't change it because it's how they "always did it".
I (68yo) don't have a land-line. I don't answer calls from any number not in my contacts. I am fiercely liberal and won't show up in these fake numbers.
My kids (in their 30's/40's) have college and other tremendous debt. They also don't respond to random calls from some polling/marketing organization.
Using facefook or other social media to determine who cares about what is just as flawed. It is not a valid random sample
But the media outlets don't care about accuracy or statistical significance. And neither does their old WASP audience.
PatSeg
(47,608 posts)these days. It is all text.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,526 posts)while the GOP is heading towards an inglorious flame out. So they are trying to egg this on so they can eventually tear Biden down by calling him a "gaffe machine" and pushing his buttons. It's ironic that DUers would fall for it. I know that back in 2012, Biden was really testing it out - notably during the inauguration - and he was getting a lot of positive crowd feedback. But this current tactic of including him in polls when he is not even announced, is skewing much of the declared Democratic candidate trends.
harun
(11,348 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,526 posts)PennyK
(2,302 posts)But I see that this cycle seems to be about only personality.
I mean, we have no idea what Joe's positions would be on anything, and yet, he's pulling these numbers.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)She got in the race was the most admired woman in America with a 53% approval now that she's in.the race now she's vilified by ecerybody including democrats.The same will happen to Biden if he jumps in the race
WheelWalker
(8,956 posts)his Biden family values.
Lychee2
(405 posts)Ever wonder why so many businesses are incorporated in Delaware?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/business/how-delaware-thrives-as-a-corporate-tax-haven.html
Especially banks:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/31/us/politics/banking-ties-could-hurt-joe-biden-in-race-with-populist-overtone.html
WheelWalker
(8,956 posts)getting heavy for you by now. Let it go. He's been VPOTUS for almost 8 years. Apparently you think certain issues near to your heart disqualify Joe Biden from becoming president - or at least being favored by your vote. Well that bus has left the station. He's been serving a heartbeat away from the presidency for 7 years. I can assume you did not vote for Joe as vice president, then? Like I said, you're trying to catch a train that's already left the station.
Lychee2
(405 posts)What are you talking about?
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Disney Productions entered the Democratic primary sources say the Major Corporate Networks may not report the results.
The Clinton Campaign has revealed through private sources they will try everything to try an derail the Bernie Sanders campaign and are determined to prevent this from turning into another 2008 primary loss. Bill Clinton is currently digging for more sewer type issues to bring forth but unable to find anything that isn't 4 decades old.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)TBF
(32,100 posts)and the capitalists want Biden? Gee, there's a surprise.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Here are the details:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/15398%20NBCWSJ%20September%20Poll%20(2).pdf
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)I think these kinds of polls change radically after a candidate announces and the candidate's political history becomes showcased.
Right now Biden is very liked and respected. His VP performance against Paul Ryan was once of the unforgettable Dem pleasures of 2012 . I think there's also consensus that his public support for Gay Marriage was pivotal in pushing the Dem Administration to take the same stand. Plus Jill Biden would make a terrific FLOTUS.
But once he announces, Biden's going to have to defend his sabotage of Anita Hill & support of serial sexual harrasser Clarence Thomas (who turns the stomach of Dem women even decades later) Biden's impeccably earned moniker "The Senator from MNBA " is also completely anathema to the current anti Wall Street mood and frustration of the majority of Dem voters.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Almost nobody cares.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)The bankruptcy bill that has screwed TONS of millennials that through that PIECE OF CRAP bill that Biden pushed through the Senate keeps them from being able to declare bankruptcy with their reams of college debt now, that screws all of us when they can't be a part of our society when they are made debt slaves to Wall Street and the 1%ers with that legislation.
Watch it, millennials are going to be very angry with you. Probably one big reason that cumulative college debt now is larger than cumulative credit card debt is largely due to this crappy legislation that keeps them debt slaves.
If he enters the race, you can be damn sure that this will be raised as an issue by those of us who want liberation by the fascist rule of the 1% that too many other pols besides Bernie are slaves to.
PatSeg
(47,608 posts)that care whenever Joe is running for something. It gets a bit predictable and in some cases suspicious.
WheelWalker
(8,956 posts)Isn't your burden getting a little heavy by now?
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)has gotten pretty damn heavy.
Does that answer your question?
WheelWalker
(8,956 posts)stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Biden is not currently running, so all these stupid stories are waste of time and distort the current primary polling to the point of worthlessness.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)nolabels
(13,133 posts)More tax breaks for the wealthy, buying off the government ain't cheap
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)It clearly states Biden LOSES a Dem Primary (big time), so the other poll questions MEAN NOTHING.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)The results don't mean anything.
Biden is not in the race.
I would like to see the numbers of the candidates actually running be the focus on both the polling and the reporting.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Biden is 3rd in who people would vote for:
And, thinking about people who might seek the Democratic nomination for president in 2016. If the next
Democratic primary for president were being held today, which one of the following candidates would you
favor? (READ LIST. RANDOMIZE. IF "NOT SURE," ASK: Well, which way do you lean? (ACCEPT ONLY
ONE ANSWER.)
THIS TABLE HAS BEEN RANKED BY HIGHEST PERCENTAGE
Hillary Clinton ............................................ 42
Bernie Sanders ......................................... 35
Joe Biden .................................................. 17
Jim Webb .................................................. 1
Martin OMalley ......................................... -
Lincoln Chafee .......................................... -
Other (VOL) ........................................... -
None (VOL) ............................................ 1
Not sure ................................................. 4
twii
(88 posts)?
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)You gotta read the actual poll to see that.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)election.
Comparing a non-candidate with candidates is nonsense.
Biden is a nice guy, but he'd probably come in third and -- in the process -- stop Sanders' chances in the primary and Clinton's chances in the general election.
Aside from the predatory credit card industry and the for-profit prison cartels, who is looking for an elderly white guy who falls between Clinton and Webb on the ideological perspective to jump into the race to save us from the choice between a true progressive and the first woman president in US history?
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)If not Joe, I'm hoping it's Bernie (and if Joe wasn't a POSSIBLE candidate) I'd be ALL Bernie already!
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)I wish others around here would adopt that attitude.
And of course, I'll be voting for the Democratic nominee in November 2016, no question there.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)I hope he doesn't decide to run though. For a few reasons. One of them is that he hasn't even entered the damn race yet, and there's a media circus that it seems is trying to bully him into it - I don't expect he'll have an easy time of it once (and if) he does enter. He's a good man - but he is a man who is grieving for his son, who, once his service as VP is finished, should run as far away from the bull shit as he can get. That's what I'd want my Father to do if something happened to me. I'd want him to have some peace, some happiness, some time to go through the grieving process and come out on the other side.
I would vote for Sanders regardless, but I hope that, for Biden's sake, he stays out of this race. It's going to get seriously ugly.