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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:03 PM Oct 2015

France's Proposed Solution To Israel-Palestine Conflict Sidelines U.S.

Source: Huffington

WASHINGTON -- Since the the latest round of U.S.-led peace talks collapsed last year, the international community has left the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to fester.

Three months after talks failed, war broke out in Gaza between Hamas and the Israeli military, leaving 66 Israelis and more than 2,000 Palestinians dead. In March, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu secured re-election after a campaign in which he suggested he would not allow for the creation of a Palestinian state. And on Sept. 30, amid escalating violence in Jerusalem and the West Bank, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas told the U.N. General Assembly he would no longer abide by the Oslo Accords, a Clinton-era attempt to finalize Palestinian statehood by 1998.

"Never before in my memory has there been such a total absence of any sense of hope of political horizon," said Daniel Seidemann, the founder of Terrestrial Jerusalem, a nonprofit organization that tracks changes in Jerusalem that could affect a future two-state solution.

Now, with the peace process stalled, Israeli hardliners empowered, settlements expanding, escalating violence in Jerusalem and West Bank, and talk of a third intifada, the French have decided it's time for the international community to change its strategy -- and end the U.S. monopoly on the peace process.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/french-plan-israel-palestine_561e684ee4b028dd7ea5e51a

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France's Proposed Solution To Israel-Palestine Conflict Sidelines U.S. (Original Post) Purveyor Oct 2015 OP
Good. We have no constructive role to play there, and we have enough headaches geek tragedy Oct 2015 #1
The new plan still includes the U.S, as any viable plan must. Nitram Oct 2015 #2
French is the international language of diplomacy.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #3
Indeed 47of74 Oct 2015 #6
I seem to remember Bolton going on about it. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #7
I agree that we've lost the opportunity to be honest brokers in the Middle East, but... Nitram Oct 2015 #11
I was speaking of tradition. Post WWII it started to shift to English.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #12
It started happening well before the advent of the internet. Nitram Oct 2015 #13
It has more to do with porn searches. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #14
I guess I got too technical for you there. Nitram Oct 2015 #15
Naw, I've just been online forever. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #16
That'll do it. Attention-span-wise I mean. nt Nitram Oct 2015 #17
Huh? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #18
LOL Nitram Oct 2015 #20
Good. The US has never been an honest broker on Israel/Palestine. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #4
Unfortunately the US has lost whatever legitimacy it may have had as a 'fair' broker azurnoir Oct 2015 #5
The problem is the US is the only country with any leverage. BillZBubb Oct 2015 #8
The EU has plenty of leverage nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #9
The EU would have leverage if they could all agree on something. nt Nitram Oct 2015 #10
We'll see MFrohike Oct 2015 #19
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. Good. We have no constructive role to play there, and we have enough headaches
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:17 PM
Oct 2015

to deal with.

Let someone else take a whack at it.

Nitram

(22,892 posts)
2. The new plan still includes the U.S, as any viable plan must.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:25 PM
Oct 2015

A French diplomat is quoted as saying, "U.S. engagement, while indispensable, is not sufficient," and I agree. If a new coalition can get Israel to stop building illegal settlements, and to dismantle existing ones, I'm all for it.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
6. Indeed
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 04:27 PM
Oct 2015

US passports have the request message in three languages, English, Spanish, and French.

Le Secrétaire d'État des États-Unis d'Amérique prie par les présentes toutes autorités compétentes de laisser passer le citoyen ou ressortissant des États-Unis titulaire du présent passeport, sans délai ni difficulté et, en cas de besoin, de lui accorder toute aide et protection légitimes.


I wonder if that's caused any cranial events for reich wingers who hate France...

Nitram

(22,892 posts)
11. I agree that we've lost the opportunity to be honest brokers in the Middle East, but...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:41 PM
Oct 2015

...English is far and away the dominant language in diplomatic, inter-cultural and trade exchanges.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
12. I was speaking of tradition. Post WWII it started to shift to English....
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:48 PM
Oct 2015

Globally, younger people are learning English because that's the primary language of the Internet.

Nitram

(22,892 posts)
13. It started happening well before the advent of the internet.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:07 PM
Oct 2015

It has to do with global power and trade.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
4. Good. The US has never been an honest broker on Israel/Palestine.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:47 PM
Oct 2015

Twenty years since Camp David, and all our government does is apologize and make excuses for Israel.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. Unfortunately the US has lost whatever legitimacy it may have had as a 'fair' broker
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 04:13 PM
Oct 2015

and is seen by the international community as merely acting as Israel's interlocutor

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
8. The problem is the US is the only country with any leverage.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 08:57 PM
Oct 2015

Israel barely listens to us and it doesn't listen to anyone else.

If the US had stopped being Israel's apologist and enabler, the peace would have arrived long ago.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
19. We'll see
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 03:11 AM
Oct 2015

I don't think the shape of the table matters much in the current situation myself. The current Israeli government has absolutely no interest in peace and the Palestinian side is disorganized. For all the commentary about America's status as an honest broker in this, I suspect we're no worse than the parties involved nor the big batch of European imperialists the French want to include.

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