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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:29 AM Oct 2015

Gavin Newsom Wants California Voters To Take On The NRA

Source: Huffington Post

California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) proposed a ballot measure on Thursday that would bolster the state's gun laws and give California's voters a chance to do what the state legislature hasn't.

Newsom's call comes two weeks after a gunman killed nine other people at a community college in Oregon, again prompting anger and frustration nationwide over the lack of action to prevent mass shootings.

The proposed measure, written in conjunction with the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, has five components: banning most possession of high-capacity magazines, mandating background checks on ammunition sales, requiring individuals to report lost or stolen firearms, ordering the state to share data with the federal government on who is prohibited from owning guns, and strengthening existing laws aimed at keeping guns out of the wrong hands.

Newsom, who is running for governor in 2018, unveiled his proposal at a press conference in San Francisco, near the site of the 1993 massacre at 101 California Street. That shooting, in which a gunman killed eight people and wounded six others at a law firm before killing himself, sparked a national conversation on gun control that eventually led to the passage of a federal assault weapons ban in 1994. (The law expired in 2004 and has not been renewed by Congress.)

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gavin-newsom-guns_561ff791e4b028dd7ea72cb2

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Gavin Newsom Wants California Voters To Take On The NRA (Original Post) onehandle Oct 2015 OP
"The NRA can control politicians, but they can not control the public" : California Lt. Governor Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #1
Oh, dear, poor Gavin! Doesn't he know it's hopeless? CTyankee Oct 2015 #2
The NRA "Concern Troll" brigade will have only the Democrats' "best interests" at heart! villager Oct 2015 #11
Well, it's just plain good sense. If you want a gun, you play by the rules. libdem4life Oct 2015 #3
I will sign that petition, so will every adult in my family, definitely the home across the street. Tikki Oct 2015 #4
That is pretty great, doesn't go anywhere near far enough though frizzled Oct 2015 #5
Sarcasm? GGJohn Oct 2015 #13
Gavin Newsom! yallerdawg Oct 2015 #6
The future, or the past? derby378 Oct 2015 #7
He's pretty damn progressive on a whole host of issues. SpankMe Oct 2015 #8
He was fucking his best friend's wife, so I agree with the "arrogant little prick" part. U4ikLefty Oct 2015 #24
"Can't get it done in 6............ Darb Oct 2015 #9
It can be difficult for the dogmatic and myopic to realize degrees of difference LanternWaste Oct 2015 #10
That's how laws work. LeftyMom Oct 2015 #19
That's a fairly reasonable response... derby378 Oct 2015 #23
On the ammo issue, GGJohn Oct 2015 #12
I also foresee an uptick in internet ammunition sales, branford Oct 2015 #14
Thanks. GGJohn Oct 2015 #15
Just out of curiosity I visited cheaperthandirt.com EL34x4 Oct 2015 #21
That's why we need NATIONWIDE gun n/t TexasBushwhacker Oct 2015 #17
What good would that do on the ammo issue? GGJohn Oct 2015 #18
"banning most possession of high-capacity magazines" Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #16
I don't know about CA but they'd find out who the NRA really is on paper in most other states. ileus Oct 2015 #20
If I lived anywhere near the CA border, GGJohn Oct 2015 #22
Legally, they'd have to compensate gun owners for those high-capacity magazines NickB79 Oct 2015 #25
K&R RandySF Oct 2015 #26

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. "The NRA can control politicians, but they can not control the public" : California Lt. Governor
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:44 AM
Oct 2015

That quote is a keeper!

http://www.vcstar.com/news/state/california-ballot-measure-seeks-to-tighten-strict-gun-laws

There many ways to enact guns sense laws and have lives saved....the NRA blocks the sensible laws the public wants because of their control of lawmakers?

Then go around the lawmakers and directly to the public....democracy will find a way!

I have a suggestion for the NRA, have Ted Nugent, respected board member and all round creepy guy, give an interview to anyone other than RW media....that would be both entertaining and ever so enlightening to the voting public, voting both in gun control and general ballots.

Give some speeches in public arenas, not TV and radio studios...get out there among the voting public and say the same things!

Gun control a negative for the Democratic Party? Don't make me laugh!

Gun control would be such a huge positive for liberals that getting liberals to believe the opposite is a huge priority with the NRA....but when has the NRA ever told the truth about guns?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
2. Oh, dear, poor Gavin! Doesn't he know it's hopeless?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:51 AM
Oct 2015

The "No can do" crowd will be riding in soon to tell us how silly Gavin is. And with the same song they perpetually sing...

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
11. The NRA "Concern Troll" brigade will have only the Democrats' "best interests" at heart!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 06:50 PM
Oct 2015

You can be sure!


 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
3. Well, it's just plain good sense. If you want a gun, you play by the rules.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:56 AM
Oct 2015

I would also like to see incarceration with a charge of involuntary childslaughter time for the owner of a gun that kills a child. Say two months...kind of like my "Think About It" chair with my toddler. He thought about it, got calmed down, then we talked about it.

Tikki

(14,560 posts)
4. I will sign that petition, so will every adult in my family, definitely the home across the street.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:22 AM
Oct 2015

...everyone there and the neighbors on each side of us.

We all have reason to sign and support this petition.

Tikki

 

frizzled

(509 posts)
5. That is pretty great, doesn't go anywhere near far enough though
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:55 AM
Oct 2015

Make all firearm dealers in the state illegal. Put them out of business the same way abortion activists did to clinics.

You need to start screening all inter-state traffic for trafficked guns. Millimeter wave radar should do nicely. Backscatter X-rays will pick up lead bullets.

State by state, make the US a real gun-free zone.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
13. Sarcasm?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:14 PM
Oct 2015

Or pure comedy gold.

So, what about that pesky 2A?
Or Heller v DC? You know, the SCOTUS ruling that the 2A confers an individual right to own firearms not connected to militia service?

SpankMe

(2,970 posts)
8. He's pretty damn progressive on a whole host of issues.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:49 PM
Oct 2015

I like a majority of his politics. But, I don't like his image and demeanor. He's kind of an arrogant little prick. If he's the Dem candidate, then I'll probably vote for him unless the Green Party candidate impresses me more.

U4ikLefty

(4,012 posts)
24. He was fucking his best friend's wife, so I agree with the "arrogant little prick" part.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 03:15 PM
Oct 2015

The man is a douche.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
9. "Can't get it done in 6............
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:51 PM
Oct 2015

reload, ya wanka". - Sensible Shooter

Can you get it done in 6?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
10. It can be difficult for the dogmatic and myopic to realize degrees of difference
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:40 PM
Oct 2015

It can be difficult for the dogmatic and myopic to realize degrees of difference are yet still a difference.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
19. That's how laws work.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 05:07 AM
Oct 2015

You can be cited for driving 71 mph on I-5 but 70 is perfectly legal. You can sex an 18 year old but a 17 year 364 day old is a felony. You need a permit to add a 10'x10' shed to your yard but a 10'x8' shed does not require a permit. X plants (I can't be bothered to google the current value of x) is legal medicinal use but x+1 is possession with intent to distribute.

A lot of laws draw somewhat arbitrary lines between what's reasonable and prudent and what is not when the exact dividing line is debatable or shaded. There's a number of rounds where the massacre potential outweighs the value for defensive use. What that number is can be debated, but codifying a value where we separate the risky from the acceptable in law? That's perfectly normal.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
23. That's a fairly reasonable response...
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 02:15 PM
Oct 2015

...to which I can only reply that if cops need 15-round pistol mags for defensive purposes, I'd take one, too, provided I owned a pistol to begin with.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
12. On the ammo issue,
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:12 PM
Oct 2015

I foresee CA's border states seeing an uptick in ammo sales to CA residents, which would be cheaper to buy, hell, the border states may offer CA residents a discount to buy ammo in their stores.
A smart business person would set up shop on the borders of CA, like in Primm, NV., and make a bundle.

I also foresee CA demanding that the border states refuse to sell to CA residents, and I foresee the border states giving CA the finger.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
14. I also foresee an uptick in internet ammunition sales,
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:23 PM
Oct 2015

as well as constitutional challenges to some of the provisions Second, Fourth, and Fifth Amendment and Due Process grounds.

Although federal trial courts in CA and the 9th Circuit will likely uphold the new laws if passed, this would be a great opportunity for the Supreme Court to again take up gun control with a multifaceted and severe statewide law (and be able to continue the tradition of reversing the 9th Circuit).

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
21. Just out of curiosity I visited cheaperthandirt.com
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:29 AM
Oct 2015

And started plugging in zip codes of places that I know don't permit internet ammo sales.

As I suspected, CTD won't deliver to these places. I'd guess most of the other reputable on-line ammo dealers won't either. Not worth the hassle.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
16. "banning most possession of high-capacity magazines"
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:51 AM
Oct 2015

I'm sure CA gun owners will be in just as much of a hurry to comply as those in CT and NY were with similar laws (estimated rate of compliance: 10%).

ileus

(15,396 posts)
20. I don't know about CA but they'd find out who the NRA really is on paper in most other states.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 08:57 AM
Oct 2015

Talk about motivating voters with a purpose...

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
22. If I lived anywhere near the CA border,
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:34 AM
Oct 2015

I would open an ammo business, offer CA resident's a 15% discount on ammo and then sit back and rake in the dough.

.

NickB79

(19,274 posts)
25. Legally, they'd have to compensate gun owners for those high-capacity magazines
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 06:10 PM
Oct 2015

I wonder how many millions that would cost?

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