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Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:51 PM Nov 2015

Venezuela says US intelligence plane violated airspace

Source: Associated Press

Venezuela says US intelligence plane violated airspace
Nov 8, 4:49 PM EST
By RICARDO NUNES
Associated Press

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Venezuela claims a U.S. Coast Guard plane it describes as an intelligence aircraft violated the South American country's airspace.

Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino said Sunday the Dash-8 aircraft flew out of Curacao, a Dutch island not far off Venezuela's Caribbean coast. He said that during a 30-minute period the plane twice entered Venezuelan airspace over the tiny archipelago of Los Monjes on Friday while performing what appeared to be a reconnaissance mission in the Gulf of Venezuela, which is also bounded by Colombia. In comments on the state channel Telesur, Padrino said other U.S. reconnaissance and military transport aircraft had flown close to Venezuela in recent days.

While he offered no evidence to back the claims, he said the timing of the apparent maneuvers, as the country prepares for key legislative elections next month, was suspicious, recalling other U.S. military exercises that allegedly preceded a brief coup in 2002 against then President Hugo Chavez.

"It's completely unusual that these types of aircraft, with all their electronic surveillance characteristics, to come near our area of influence," said Padrino, adding that the USS George Washington aircraft carrier would pass nearby Venezuela around the same time as the Dec. 6 vote.

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT_VENEZUELA_US?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-11-08-15-48-07

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Venezuela says US intelligence plane violated airspace (Original Post) Judi Lynn Nov 2015 OP
Venezuela says U.S. intelligence plane violated air space Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #1
Venezuela claims US spy plane violated its airspace Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #2
The maritime borders in the Gulf of Venezuela are disputed. Igel Nov 2015 #3
The U.S. Coast Guard does not operate any Dash-8's. James48 Nov 2015 #4
I don't know who is more trustworthy NobodyHere Nov 2015 #5
They may have been bringing toilet paper for the peasants. nt 7962 Nov 2015 #6
US Coast Guard’s Reconnaissance Plane Violates Venezuelan Airspace Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #7
I wouldn't believe a word coming out of Comrade Maduro's pie hole. GGJohn Nov 2015 #9
The US dumping loads of our tax dollars to opposition groups in Venezuela fasttense Nov 2015 #8
Exactly. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #10
If the corrupt Maduro govt is so loved, GGJohn Nov 2015 #11
Who owns the polling corporations? n/t fasttense Nov 2015 #13
EVERY poll shows him losing, not just RW polls. GGJohn Nov 2015 #15
recent video of Maduro on national tv saying a chavista party logo on the ballot is the opposition Bacchus4.0 Nov 2015 #19
Just like anothe Kentucky race? fasttense Nov 2015 #33
You're saying the Kentucky race was stolen? GGJohn Nov 2015 #35
Don't worry Comrade!!! Adrahil Nov 2015 #17
Any hard data to back that up? FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #12
There is a line item in every Obama budget for funding Venezuelan opposition groups. fasttense Nov 2015 #14
And your support of that incompetent, corrupt shitbag is "duly noted" Adrahil Nov 2015 #18
Hit a nerve did I? fasttense Nov 2015 #30
Could you travel there and give us some reporting on the ground snooper2 Nov 2015 #37
And your support for that corrupt POS bus driver is noted. GGJohn Nov 2015 #20
You're in the wrong place if you expect real Democrats to support your contempt for working people. Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #21
Comrade Maduro would have been better off staying as a bus driver, GGJohn Nov 2015 #22
Maduro probably was a lousy bus driver, too Zorro Nov 2015 #23
It wouldn't surprise me if he were. GGJohn Nov 2015 #24
Contempt for people who have had to work doesn't impress Democrats. Dirty classism. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #25
And undying support for a corrupt head of state doesn't impress me in the least. GGJohn Nov 2015 #26
"Your Comrade Maduro?" My "Comrade?" Do you intend to get by with red-baiting? n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #27
Do you intend to defend him to the very end? GGJohn Nov 2015 #29
I wonder who the last Mugabe defender was on DU. Throd Nov 2015 #53
As will probably happen when the Chavista's have their collective GGJohn Nov 2015 #54
Can't say I'm surprised that Chavista supporters are now the new Mugabe supporters Marksman_91 Nov 2015 #56
You sure you aren't the same person who posted above? fasttense Nov 2015 #31
I'm my own person GGJohn Nov 2015 #34
That area is closer to Aruba than it is to the Venezuelan mainland. The US operates geek tragedy Nov 2015 #16
Just more predictable "Look!! Squirrel!!!!" COLGATE4 Nov 2015 #28
Let's get all the whole group to bash the Venezuela socialist government fasttense Nov 2015 #32
Here's the problem with your post, GGJohn Nov 2015 #36
Nope you are wrong. fasttense Nov 2015 #39
The 1% elite are that fool Maduro and his corrupt cronies in govt. GGJohn Nov 2015 #44
You're right: it's been a tactic for years. Sad, but true, and very ugly. Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #46
OMG, Eva Golinger again? GGJohn Nov 2015 #49
Please do post information on any lies the right-wing can find she has written. Be sure to do that. Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #50
LOL. GGJohn Nov 2015 #51
Post any links you have regarding any misinformation, lies, whoppers, she has tried to pass off. Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #55
Lol, you're lecturing people about FACTS now? The hypocrisy is unbelievable n/t Marksman_91 Nov 2015 #58
That's rich, you asking for facts. GGJohn Nov 2015 #68
Eva Golinger: EX500rider Nov 2015 #67
The New York Times is a reliable source? They've had 3 wildly anti-Chavez writers working there. Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #69
Are you disputing that she's a paid shill for the VN. govt.? GGJohn Nov 2015 #71
Are you denying the fact that she's not a paid government shill then? Marksman_91 Nov 2015 #73
"The New York Times is a reliable source?" EX500rider Nov 2015 #74
No, no, it's not at all orwellian if a "leftist" government does it. Dontcha know that? n/t Marksman_91 Nov 2015 #75
More on US taxpayers' hard earned taxdollars going to pay anti-Venezuelan government activists. Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #52
Ist Place in Silly Response of the Day. nt COLGATE4 Nov 2015 #38
Get all those screen names you use out there now. n/t fasttense Nov 2015 #40
What in the hell are you talking about? COLGATE4 Nov 2015 #42
He thinks you and I are one and the same because GGJohn Nov 2015 #45
OK. Now I get it. It's all a big conspiracy! COLGATE4 Nov 2015 #47
Not yet. GGJohn Nov 2015 #48
Venezuela is a failed petrostate, regardless of whether it's a rightwing or leftwing geek tragedy Nov 2015 #41
And, "why should we have to pay more than 6 cents for gasoline?" nt COLGATE4 Nov 2015 #43
It's just too bad that so many still support that band of delinquents known as the PSUV Marksman_91 Nov 2015 #57
is this still sort of a site for Democrats ? olddots Nov 2015 #59
Yes it is Zorro Nov 2015 #62
Bogus Democrats have attempted to hijack it. Democrats come here to discuss the events, Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #63
So you're calling those of us that don't support the corrupt Maduro regime GGJohn Nov 2015 #65
I think it is more the case ozone_man Nov 2015 #66
Or maybe one can support Bernie Sanders (as seen from one of the users in this thread)... Marksman_91 Nov 2015 #72
I agree mostly. ozone_man Nov 2015 #76
Why would you ask such a question? GGJohn Nov 2015 #64
Maduro is presiding over a failed state looking for international relevancy n/t Godhumor Nov 2015 #60
thank you, as always, Judi! NuttyFluffers Nov 2015 #61
You are kind, NuttyFluffers. Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #70

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
1. Venezuela says U.S. intelligence plane violated air space
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:57 PM
Nov 2015

Venezuela says U.S. intelligence plane violated air space
Sun Nov 8, 2015 2:25pm EST

CARACAS

Venezuela said a U.S. Coast Guard intelligence plane violated its airspace on Friday and that other planes with capacity to gather information were circulating close to the South American country.

"Forty-eight hours ago, an intelligence plane for the U.S. Coast Guard took off from the air base in Curacao," Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino said in a televised broadcast on Sunday.

"The most serious part is that this plane, a Dash-8 ... violated air space, our air space," he said, adding the aircraft was close the western Los Monjes archipelago on the Caribbean coast.

. . .

"This deserves our attention," Padrino said. "Taking into account the precedents that exist, especially in the year 2002," he said in reference to the U.S.-endorsed coup that briefly deposed late leftist leader Hugo Chavez.

More:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/08/us-venezuela-usa-idUSKCN0SX0T720151108#Wpyjs56Gc1sH3gJ6.99

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
2. Venezuela claims US spy plane violated its airspace
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:21 PM
Nov 2015

Venezuela claims US spy plane violated its airspace
By AFP 16 mins ago.

Venezuela claimed Sunday that a US Coast Guard intelligence plane violated its airspace, an allegation promptly denied by the American military branch.

The Dash 8 plane took off Friday from the Hato Rey base on the Caribbean island of Curacao and entered Venezuelan airspace close to the western Los Monjes archipelago on the Caribbean coast, Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino said in a televised address.

"The most serious part is that this aircraft violated airspace, our airspace," he said, adding that the plane flew in a "circular search pattern" by the Gulf of Venezuela.

. . .
Padrino claimed that no US authorities "reported that presence" to the control tower at Simon Bolivar International Airport, "as required by international aviation law."

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/venezuela-claims-us-spy-plane-violated-its-airspace/article/448798#ixzz3qweos7sl

Igel

(35,350 posts)
3. The maritime borders in the Gulf of Venezuela are disputed.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:36 PM
Nov 2015

Without details as to the precise location--was this in clearly Venezuela airspace or only in airspace clearly Venezuelan to Venezuelan jingoists?--I just assume it's just more nationalist and xenophobic rhetoric to create "rally around the flag" support for the Maduro government.

James48

(4,438 posts)
4. The U.S. Coast Guard does not operate any Dash-8's.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:53 PM
Nov 2015

Can't be the U.S. Coast Guard, they don't have any Dash-8's.

https://www.uscg.mil/datasheet/

There ARE two Dash-8's owned and operated by the Caribean Coast Guard, a combined force of several Caribean nations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Coastguard


Could have been them.

Or it could have been the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol, who also operate 7 Dash-8's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBP_Office_of_Air_and_Marine

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
7. US Coast Guard’s Reconnaissance Plane Violates Venezuelan Airspace
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:25 AM
Nov 2015

US Coast Guard’s Reconnaissance Plane Violates Venezuelan Airspace
02:17 09.11.2015(updated 02:40 09.11.2015)

Venezuela’s Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino said that US Coast Guard's reconnaissance plane trespassed into the Venezuelan airspace.

MEXICO CITY (Sputnik) — US Coast Guard's reconnaissance plane trespassed into the Venezuelan airspace on Friday, Venezuela’s Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino said late Sunday.


"Forty-eight hours ago an intelligence aircraft of the US Coast Guard, based at the Hato Navy air station in the Curacao island, crossed into our air space," the national AVN news agency quoted Padrino as saying.


The minister said the trespassing plane was a Dash-8. He added it was unusual for such an aircraft with its electronic surveillance equipment to come close to Venezuela’s "area of influence."

Relations between Venezuela and the United States have been strained since the late 1990s. Most recently, Washington imposed sanctions on Venezuela’s several senior officials.

http://sptnkne.ws/abDx

(Short article, no more at link.)



GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
9. I wouldn't believe a word coming out of Comrade Maduro's pie hole.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 10:46 AM
Nov 2015

Notice that there is no evidence of this happening and FWIW, the Coast Guard doesn't operate Dash-8 aircraft.

Once again, the corrupt Maduro govt is desperate to divert attention from the coming elections because they know they're in for an ass kicking at the polls.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
8. The US dumping loads of our tax dollars to opposition groups in Venezuela
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 10:41 AM
Nov 2015

They got to spend the budgeted amount or next year they will get less for antagonizing the legally elected government of Venezuela. Those elite 1% in Venezuela really hate their socialist government and need all the money they can get from our government to put them back into power. How long has it been since the uber rich capitalist in Venezuela have NOT been in charge? 16, 17 years? They are getting really desperate.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
11. If the corrupt Maduro govt is so loved,
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 10:48 AM
Nov 2015

then why does every poll show them losing badly in the coming election?
Sounds more like Comrade Maduro is trying to whip up anti American sentiment to hang on to power.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
35. You're saying the Kentucky race was stolen?
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:45 AM
Nov 2015

If so, then let's see your proof.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
17. Don't worry Comrade!!!
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 12:14 PM
Nov 2015

Maduro owns the people who count.... literally.... he's owns the people who count the votes.

No doubt he'll win with a huge majority and throw anybody who disputes it in jail.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
12. Any hard data to back that up?
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 10:50 AM
Nov 2015

I personally don't believe the Obama administration gives a damn about Venezuela. They are doing a great job of destroying themselves without the US spending a dime.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
14. There is a line item in every Obama budget for funding Venezuelan opposition groups.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 11:07 AM
Nov 2015

Look it up on the google machine.

Your support of the elite 1% in Venezuela is duly noted. Maybe they will give you another job when their coup is successful. American tax dollars buy a lot of weapons.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
18. And your support of that incompetent, corrupt shitbag is "duly noted"
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 12:17 PM
Nov 2015

I honestly have a hard time keep track of which set of idiots is worst.... the old oligarchs, or the new Chavistas. The only difference I can see is that the Chavistas wrap themselves in the trappings of socialism while robbing the country and destroying its economy.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
37. Could you travel there and give us some reporting on the ground
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:23 AM
Nov 2015

let us know how that works out LOL

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
21. You're in the wrong place if you expect real Democrats to support your contempt for working people.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 10:19 PM
Nov 2015

The fact Maduro drove a bus as a young man has been an attack point among the dirtball Venezuelan fascists, but that just doesn't get any traction among the people whose party has been THE party behind the labor movement throughout the United States from the beginning, even at the expense of being called "Commies" by the filthy right-wing here for ages, as they tried over and over to demonize working class people.

You say more about yourself than you are capable of understanding.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
22. Comrade Maduro would have been better off staying as a bus driver,
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 10:24 PM
Nov 2015

because as a head of state, he sucks, he's corrupt, he allows corruption in the govt., and because he's such a incompetent fool, his party is going to suffer massive losses in the upcoming election, provided that fool allows the election to go forward.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
24. It wouldn't surprise me if he were.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 10:42 PM
Nov 2015

It seems in VN, the more incompetent you are, the more qualified you are to be a govt. official.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
26. And undying support for a corrupt head of state doesn't impress me in the least.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 10:48 PM
Nov 2015

Your Comrade Maduro is going to lose and lose badly in the upcoming election, provided that corrupt fool allows the elections to go forward.
I can, with absolute certainty, predict how you and a few other Maduro supporters are going to react when he gets his all kicked this election, y'all will blame the US/CIA and declare the election was stolen.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
29. Do you intend to defend him to the very end?
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:15 AM
Nov 2015

Will you accept the results of the elections when, not if, but when the opposition takes control of the legislature?
Or will you, predictably, declare that the election was stolen by the USA/CIA?

Throd

(7,208 posts)
53. I wonder who the last Mugabe defender was on DU.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:19 PM
Nov 2015

One by one his defenders slinked away into the shadows.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
54. As will probably happen when the Chavista's have their collective
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:22 PM
Nov 2015

asses handed to them in the upcoming election.

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
56. Can't say I'm surprised that Chavista supporters are now the new Mugabe supporters
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:43 AM
Nov 2015

Time will prove eventually just how much on the wrong side of history they were. Remember, these people are what's known as "useful idiots.

Useful Idiot definition (as shown by most sources: ) someone who supports one side of an ideological debate, but who is manipulated and held in contempt by the leaders of their faction or is unaware of the ultimate agenda driving the ideology to which they subscribe

The Chavista supporters here fit that description to a T.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
31. You sure you aren't the same person who posted above?
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:37 AM
Nov 2015

You two sound identical. Must be paid by the same people.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
34. I'm my own person
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:43 AM
Nov 2015

and I don't need to get paid to know that Comrade Maduro is an incompetent, corrupt fool.

Let me ask you this, when, not if, but when the opposition wins in this election, will you accept the will of the people's choice?
Or will you be like a few others here and declare it to be a stolen election via the USA/CIA?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
16. That area is closer to Aruba than it is to the Venezuelan mainland. The US operates
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 11:44 AM
Nov 2015

a drug interdiction program with Aruba and Curacao.

Maduro is a dumb, lying thug.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
28. Just more predictable "Look!! Squirrel!!!!"
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 12:49 AM
Nov 2015

moments from the incompetent Chavista government, desperately trying to distract public attention as the date for elections comes ever closer. Look for Maduro and company to pull another 'presidential assassination attempt' out of their nether regions to fire up national fervor just prior to elections.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
32. Let's get all the whole group to bash the Venezuela socialist government
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:40 AM
Nov 2015

Because with each post we make more money. Probobly US tax dollars too.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
36. Here's the problem with your post,
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:49 AM
Nov 2015

Venezuela no longer has a socialist govt, it's increasingly becoming a dictatorship under the incompetent and corrupt fool, Maduro.
He should have stayed a bus driver, because as a head of state, he has no clue what a socialist is.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
39. Nope you are wrong.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:10 PM
Nov 2015

Venezuela is still very much a socialist country. It's just that the elite 1% are better at spinning because of all the US tax payer money they suck out of the country.

I'm sure some of our tax money is going to pay for people to put up post just like yours.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
44. The 1% elite are that fool Maduro and his corrupt cronies in govt.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:17 PM
Nov 2015

But if it helps you sleep at night defending that fool, so be it.

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
46. You're right: it's been a tactic for years. Sad, but true, and very ugly.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:50 PM
Nov 2015

Manufacturing Contempt for Venezuela

Written by Cyril Mychalejko
Tuesday, 04 March 2014 22:55

Francisco Toro, a Venezuelan blogger and founder of Caracas Chronicles.A profile of the Venezuelan opposition’s systematic misinformation campaign and social media’s contribution to it.

The Venezuelan opposition has been skillfully using Twitter and Facebook to disseminate horrifying photos and testimonies of alleged government violence and abuse against protesters over the last few weeks. The problem with these allegations and images which have gone viral globally, and even used by media outlets, is that they are fabrications; many of the most viral photos allegedly from Venezuela have actually depicted images from places such as Syria, Chile, Brazil - and even a US-based porn site.

“Initial, inaccurate information will be retweeted more than any subsequent correction,” wrote Craig Silverman, journalist and founder of the blog Regret the Error, for the Poynter Institute in a post in 2010. Silverman’s insight reveals the dangers, often ignored, about the use of Twitter and social media as a news source, as well as a tool for liberation and uprisings.

However, the way social media is being used, or some might say abused, in Venezuela is not the result of a few “bad apples” or some mischievous students taking part in opposition protests. In fact, this propaganda technique is being used by high profile opposition figures, while training anti-chavista Venezuelans to use social media has been a project of Washington for some time now.

According to Caracas-based journalist and attorney Eva Golinger, the US spent “nearly $15 million annually by 2007...directed towards youth and student groups [in Venezuela], including training in the use of social networks to mobilize political activism. Student leaders were sent to the US for workshops and conferences on Internet activism and media networking. They were formed in tactics to promote regime change via street riots and strategic use of media to portray the government as repressive.”

The adoption of social media as a tool to advance US foreign policy objectives, including regime change, did not end with President George W. Bush’s administration. Actually, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton further developed it as a coherent policy tool labelled “21st Century Statecraft.” I wrote about this and how Venezuela and other ALBA countries were targets for this new technological imperialism back in 2012.

More:
http://upsidedownworld.org/main/venezuela-archives-35/4728-manufacturing-contempt-for-venezuela

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
49. OMG, Eva Golinger again?
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 09:16 PM
Nov 2015

She's nothing more than a loudmouth cheerleader for the corrupt Maduro regime.

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
50. Please do post information on any lies the right-wing can find she has written. Be sure to do that.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:08 PM
Nov 2015

It would put substance behind the right-wing fringe hatred of this lawyer who does such fantastic research and lets the world know about it.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
51. LOL.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:11 PM
Nov 2015

Pure comedy gold.
Fantastic research?


She's right up there with TeleSur, they're both nothing more than paid mouthpieces for the corrupt Maduro regime.

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
55. Post any links you have regarding any misinformation, lies, whoppers, she has tried to pass off.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:33 PM
Nov 2015

Your hostility itself is not adequate.

Real information, real facts are important. Right-wingers fear the truth.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
67. Eva Golinger:
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:27 AM
Nov 2015
Eva Golinger (born Eve Winifred Golinger; February 19, 1973) is an American-born attorney and naturalized Venezuelan citizen who edits the Correo del Orinoco International, a web- and print-based newspaper which is financed by the Venezuelan government. Golinger is also a member of the Venezuelanalysis.com team. In a 2011 profile in The New York Times she was described as "one of the most prominent fixtures of Venezuela’s expanding state propaganda complex", and her newspaper as "Venezuela's equivalent of the Cuban newspaper Granma". "I'm a soldier for this revolution," she told The New York Times.

Sounds like a great source for unbiased opinions on the Venezuelan government...lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Golinger

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
69. The New York Times is a reliable source? They've had 3 wildly anti-Chavez writers working there.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:50 AM
Nov 2015

Democrats are keenly aware of all the complete crap they published to move the public to support the Iraq invasion, mostly through their reporter, Judith Miller, generating world wide disgrace.

Their 3 virulently anti-Chavez reporters have been Francisco Toro, Simon Romero, and Juan Forero, as well as another guy who worked at their Mexico City bureau. Francisco Toro was forced out by public reaction in the US to his crap, and he continues to write his poisonous gibberish to this day for Slate, and anyone else low enough to publish it.

New York Times doesn't llike Eva Golinger. That's hot.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
71. Are you disputing that she's a paid shill for the VN. govt.?
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:58 AM
Nov 2015

You never did answer my question, will you and the other Maduro cheerleaders accept the election results if the Maduro govt gets it's ass kicked?

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
73. Are you denying the fact that she's not a paid government shill then?
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 01:07 AM
Nov 2015

Or that TeleSur isn't either? I await your response. And don't try to change the subject, as you've tried to do all the time.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
74. "The New York Times is a reliable source?"
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 01:33 AM
Nov 2015

I'd say Eva as a paid employee of the Venezuelan govt is not a reliable source...


Correo del Orinoco (the Orinoco Post) is a Venezuelan newspaper launched in 2009 with government backing. It is named for Simón Bolívar's nineteenth-century Correo del Orinoco, although it is published in Caracas unlike the original which was published on the Orinoco river.
The newspaper describes itself as progressive, with affiliations to the Ministry of Popular Power for Communication and Information and the United Socialist Party of Venezuela. Vanessa Davies, a political activist for the United Socialist Party of Venezuela, is the editor of the newspaper. In 2010 the Correo del Orinoco launched a weekly English-language edition, Correo del Orinoco International, with Eva Golinger as its editor.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correo_del_Orinoco_(2009)


"The Ministry of Popular Power for Communication and Information"
How Orwellian sounding is that? lol

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
52. More on US taxpayers' hard earned taxdollars going to pay anti-Venezuelan government activists.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:13 PM
Nov 2015

Buying Venezuela’s Press With U.S. Tax Dollars

The U.S. State Department is secretly funneling millions of dollars to Latin American journalists. Newly released documents show that between 2007 and 2009, the State Department channeled at least $4 million to journalists in Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela through the Washington-based Pan American Development Foundation (PADF). Thus far, only documents pertaining to Venezuela have been released. They reveal that the PADF, collaborating with Venezuelan NGOs associated with the country’s political opposition, has been supplied with at least $700,000 to give out journalism grants and sponsor journalism education programs. In funding the Venezuelan news media, the United States is funding one of the opposition’s most powerful weapons against President Hugo Chávez.

Jeremy Bigwood

The U.S. State Department is secretly funneling millions of dollars to Latin American journalists, according to documents obtained in June under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The 20 documents released to this author—including grant proposals, awards, and quarterly reports—show that between 2007 and 2009, the State Department’s little-known Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor channeled at least $4 million to journalists in Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela through the Pan American Development Foundation (PADF), a Washington-based grant maker that has worked in Latin America since 1962. Thus far, only documents pertaining to Venezuela have been released. They reveal that the PADF, collaborating with Venezuelan NGOs associated with the country’s political opposition, has been supplied with at least $700,000 to give out journalism grants and sponsor journalism education programs. Until now, the State Department has hidden its role in funding the Venezuelan news media, one of the opposition’s most powerful weapons against President Hugo Chávez and his Bolivarian movement. The PADF, serving as an intermediary, effectively removed the government’s fingerprints from the money. Yet, as noted in a State Department document titled “Bureau/Program Specific Requirements,” the State Department’s own policies require that “all publications” funded by the department “acknowledge the support.” But the provision was simply waived for the PADF. “For the purposes of this award,” the requirements document adds, “ . . . the recipient is not required to publicly acknowledge the support of the U.S. Department of State.” Before 2007, the largest funder of U.S. “democracy promotion” activities in Venezuela was not the State Department but the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), together with the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). But in 2005, these organizations’ underhanded funding was exposed by Venezuelan American attorney Eva Golinger in a series of articles, books, and lectures (disclosure: This author obtained many of the documents). After the USAID and NED covers were blown wide open—forcing USAID’s main intermediary, Development Alternatives Inc. (DAI), a Maryland–based contractor, to close its office in Caracas—the U.S. government apparently sought new funding channels, one of which the PADF appears to have provided. Although the $700,000 allocated to the PADF, which is noted in the State Department’s requirements document, may not seem like a lot of money, the funds have been strategically used to buy off the best of Venezuela’s news media and recruit young journalists. This has been achieved by collaborating with opposition NGOs, many of which have a strong media focus. The requirements document is the only document that names any of these organizations—which was probably an oversight on the State Department’s part, since the recipients’ names and a lot of other information are excised in the rest of the documents. The requirements document names Espacio Público and Instituto Prensa y Sociedad, two leading organizations linked to the Venezuelan opposition, as recipients of “subgrants.” Neither organization makes clear its connection to the State Department. Espacio Público, according to its website, is a “non-profit, non-governmental civil association that is independent and autonomous of political parties, religious institutions, international organizations or any government” (emphasis added). Two of three images on the homepage are from anti-Chávez demonstrations. The other “subgrantee,” the Venezuelan chapter of Instituto Prensa y Sociedad (IPyS-Ve), is a Peru-based journalism organization that was started with funding from USAID, and that has continued to receive USAID money while launching a series of attacks on Chávez. It has explicitly opposed Chávez since 2000, when it falsely accused him of harboring Peruvian dictator Alberto Fujimori’s fugitive spymaster, Vladimiro Montesinos (Chávez’s own authorities later arrested Montesinos and extradited him to Peru). The documents detail a series of grants doled out to unnamed individual journalists. These include two kinds of grants “for innovative reporting and investigative reporting,” with the winning content disseminated online “and to selected independent media audiences.” While we don’t know who won these grants, we know that they were substantial. One of them consisted of 10 one-year grants of $25,000 each. For many journalists, especially in Latin America, $25,000 for a year is a high salary. The PADF also holds “2 competitions, one per year, for a total of $20,000 in funding awarded to at least 6 entries.” The PADF’s Venezuela program also supports journalism education, which is undertaken to produce investigative work “via innovative media technologies,” according to an “Action Memorandum” for a fiscal year 2007 grant. This grant includes “a series of trainings for local journalists focused on the basic and advanced skills of Internet-based reporting and investigative reporting,” according to the requirements document. The education program engages “a wide range of Venezuelan media organizations and news outlets, including 4 university partners,” where it aims “to establish one course per school on investigative reporting.” PADF proposes targeting not only universities in the capital city of Caracas, but also regional ones in “the Andes, Center East, Zulia and the Western region of the country.” In each region, “the local partners will sign agreements with academic institutions that teach social communications.” The revelations of U.S. funding of Venezuelan journalism comes on the heels of a report released in May by the center-right European think tank FRIDE, which found that since 2002 the United States has spent an estimated $3 million to $6 million every year “on small projects with political parties and NGOs” in Venezuela, with funds distributed through an alphabet soup of shifting and intertwined channels. (The report was removed from FRIDE’s website soon after it was publicized.) The PADF journalism program thus appears to be part of a much larger project of propping up the Venezuelan opposition. The Venezuelan journalists and students who benefited from the grants and education may not have known of the State Department funding. Nonetheless, covert foreign state support for ostensibly independent journalism violates basic principles of the profession’s integrity.* Look for an expanded version of this article in the September/October edition of NACLA Report on the Americas. *The word covert was added to this sentence on July 18.

https://nacla.org/news/buying-venezuela%E2%80%99s-press-us-tax-dollars

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
45. He thinks you and I are one and the same because
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:23 PM
Nov 2015

we posted similar responses.
Apparently he thinks that 2 different people can't post similar responses.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
47. OK. Now I get it. It's all a big conspiracy!
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:57 PM
Nov 2015

BTW, did you get your October check from the Venezuelan Oligarchy 1%er's yet? Mine is overdue. Must mean they're having a hard time getting dollars.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
41. Venezuela is a failed petrostate, regardless of whether it's a rightwing or leftwing
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:20 PM
Nov 2015

government in charge.

The economic philosophy is "we have oil, so why should people have to work?"

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
57. It's just too bad that so many still support that band of delinquents known as the PSUV
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:46 AM
Nov 2015

They're so utterly convinced that the PSUV leadership are saints who can do no wrong and have simply had the economy they almost completely control sabotaged by invisible CIA agents. It's pathetic.

Zorro

(15,749 posts)
62. Yes it is
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 07:20 PM
Nov 2015

I'd say a majority of Democrats support this Democratic administration's policies on Venezuela.

A noisy minority would prefer Obama demonstrate obsequious deference to Maduro because..."Bolivarian socialism"!

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
63. Bogus Democrats have attempted to hijack it. Democrats come here to discuss the events,
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 08:03 PM
Nov 2015

bogus Democrats spend all their time attacking Democratic posters.

It's ugly but easy to see.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
66. I think it is more the case
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 09:40 PM
Nov 2015

of right wing Democrats vs. left wing Democrats. If you like HC and Obama, then you may support a CIA overthrow of Venezuela, like Bush attempted, or Nixon achieved in Chile 1973. Or more subtly, the National Endowment for Democracy, the Democrat's preferred way.
It's not a judgment, just a stating of where people's positions are. Do we continue support of the MIC in these cases, or shift away from that, and allow sovereign nations to seek their own destiny?

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
72. Or maybe one can support Bernie Sanders (as seen from one of the users in this thread)...
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 01:02 AM
Nov 2015

and still have the brainpower to understand that Venezuela is where it is right now thanks to the incompetence and corruption of the regime that currently rules it instead of resorting to the bogus excuse "BUT ALLENDE 1973!!! NIXON SAID 'MAKE ECONOMY SCREAM'!!! BLARGARGAH."

Understand that the world does not work in black & white, as Judy and the other useful idiots in this site have failed to comprehend. You can be a democrat that supports policies such as Bernie Sanders' AND still not be a supporter of the Chavista regime. Just sayin', Noam Chomsky himself said recently that he believes the Chavista model to have been a failure. Is he one of those "establishment democrats" too then?

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
76. I agree mostly.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:02 AM
Nov 2015

It is definitely a grey area. I tend to agree with Noam Chomsky on most issues in politics.
Still, a lot of the situations in Central and South America have been encouraged by us. And that includes our infliction of Democracy by our definitions on them. E.g., the NED.
Venezuela's situation is exacerbated by the artificially low price of oil. Now that OPEC has been essentially destroyed by us (Kadaffi started that consortium), there is an oil glut, helping to destabilize some of our enemies, including Venezuela.

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