Venezuela says US intelligence plane violated airspace
Source: Associated Press
Venezuela says US intelligence plane violated airspace
Nov 8, 4:49 PM EST
By RICARDO NUNES
Associated Press
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Venezuela claims a U.S. Coast Guard plane it describes as an intelligence aircraft violated the South American country's airspace.
Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino said Sunday the Dash-8 aircraft flew out of Curacao, a Dutch island not far off Venezuela's Caribbean coast. He said that during a 30-minute period the plane twice entered Venezuelan airspace over the tiny archipelago of Los Monjes on Friday while performing what appeared to be a reconnaissance mission in the Gulf of Venezuela, which is also bounded by Colombia. In comments on the state channel Telesur, Padrino said other U.S. reconnaissance and military transport aircraft had flown close to Venezuela in recent days.
While he offered no evidence to back the claims, he said the timing of the apparent maneuvers, as the country prepares for key legislative elections next month, was suspicious, recalling other U.S. military exercises that allegedly preceded a brief coup in 2002 against then President Hugo Chavez.
"It's completely unusual that these types of aircraft, with all their electronic surveillance characteristics, to come near our area of influence," said Padrino, adding that the USS George Washington aircraft carrier would pass nearby Venezuela around the same time as the Dec. 6 vote.
Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT_VENEZUELA_US?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-11-08-15-48-07
Judi Lynn
(160,601 posts)Venezuela says U.S. intelligence plane violated air space
Sun Nov 8, 2015 2:25pm EST
CARACAS
Venezuela said a U.S. Coast Guard intelligence plane violated its airspace on Friday and that other planes with capacity to gather information were circulating close to the South American country.
"Forty-eight hours ago, an intelligence plane for the U.S. Coast Guard took off from the air base in Curacao," Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino said in a televised broadcast on Sunday.
"The most serious part is that this plane, a Dash-8 ... violated air space, our air space," he said, adding the aircraft was close the western Los Monjes archipelago on the Caribbean coast.
. . .
"This deserves our attention," Padrino said. "Taking into account the precedents that exist, especially in the year 2002," he said in reference to the U.S.-endorsed coup that briefly deposed late leftist leader Hugo Chavez.
More:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/08/us-venezuela-usa-idUSKCN0SX0T720151108#Wpyjs56Gc1sH3gJ6.99
Judi Lynn
(160,601 posts)Venezuela claims US spy plane violated its airspace
By AFP 16 mins ago.
Venezuela claimed Sunday that a US Coast Guard intelligence plane violated its airspace, an allegation promptly denied by the American military branch.
The Dash 8 plane took off Friday from the Hato Rey base on the Caribbean island of Curacao and entered Venezuelan airspace close to the western Los Monjes archipelago on the Caribbean coast, Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino said in a televised address.
"The most serious part is that this aircraft violated airspace, our airspace," he said, adding that the plane flew in a "circular search pattern" by the Gulf of Venezuela.
. . .
Padrino claimed that no US authorities "reported that presence" to the control tower at Simon Bolivar International Airport, "as required by international aviation law."
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/venezuela-claims-us-spy-plane-violated-its-airspace/article/448798#ixzz3qweos7sl
Igel
(35,350 posts)Without details as to the precise location--was this in clearly Venezuela airspace or only in airspace clearly Venezuelan to Venezuelan jingoists?--I just assume it's just more nationalist and xenophobic rhetoric to create "rally around the flag" support for the Maduro government.
James48
(4,438 posts)Can't be the U.S. Coast Guard, they don't have any Dash-8's.
https://www.uscg.mil/datasheet/
There ARE two Dash-8's owned and operated by the Caribean Coast Guard, a combined force of several Caribean nations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Coastguard
Could have been them.
Or it could have been the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol, who also operate 7 Dash-8's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBP_Office_of_Air_and_Marine
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Maduro or Carson.
7962
(11,841 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,601 posts)US Coast Guards Reconnaissance Plane Violates Venezuelan Airspace
02:17 09.11.2015(updated 02:40 09.11.2015)
Venezuelas Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino said that US Coast Guard's reconnaissance plane trespassed into the Venezuelan airspace.
MEXICO CITY (Sputnik) US Coast Guard's reconnaissance plane trespassed into the Venezuelan airspace on Friday, Venezuelas Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino said late Sunday.
"Forty-eight hours ago an intelligence aircraft of the US Coast Guard, based at the Hato Navy air station in the Curacao island, crossed into our air space," the national AVN news agency quoted Padrino as saying.
The minister said the trespassing plane was a Dash-8. He added it was unusual for such an aircraft with its electronic surveillance equipment to come close to Venezuelas "area of influence."
Relations between Venezuela and the United States have been strained since the late 1990s. Most recently, Washington imposed sanctions on Venezuelas several senior officials.
http://sptnkne.ws/abDx
(Short article, no more at link.)
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Notice that there is no evidence of this happening and FWIW, the Coast Guard doesn't operate Dash-8 aircraft.
Once again, the corrupt Maduro govt is desperate to divert attention from the coming elections because they know they're in for an ass kicking at the polls.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)They got to spend the budgeted amount or next year they will get less for antagonizing the legally elected government of Venezuela. Those elite 1% in Venezuela really hate their socialist government and need all the money they can get from our government to put them back into power. How long has it been since the uber rich capitalist in Venezuela have NOT been in charge? 16, 17 years? They are getting really desperate.
polly7
(20,582 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)then why does every poll show them losing badly in the coming election?
Sounds more like Comrade Maduro is trying to whip up anti American sentiment to hang on to power.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)fasttense
(17,301 posts)Oh wait...
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)If so, then let's see your proof.
If not, then I have no idea what you're talking about.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Maduro owns the people who count.... literally.... he's owns the people who count the votes.
No doubt he'll win with a huge majority and throw anybody who disputes it in jail.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)I personally don't believe the Obama administration gives a damn about Venezuela. They are doing a great job of destroying themselves without the US spending a dime.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)Look it up on the google machine.
Your support of the elite 1% in Venezuela is duly noted. Maybe they will give you another job when their coup is successful. American tax dollars buy a lot of weapons.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I honestly have a hard time keep track of which set of idiots is worst.... the old oligarchs, or the new Chavistas. The only difference I can see is that the Chavistas wrap themselves in the trappings of socialism while robbing the country and destroying its economy.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)All that vitriol over such a minor comment. I think you protest too much.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)let us know how that works out LOL
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,601 posts)The fact Maduro drove a bus as a young man has been an attack point among the dirtball Venezuelan fascists, but that just doesn't get any traction among the people whose party has been THE party behind the labor movement throughout the United States from the beginning, even at the expense of being called "Commies" by the filthy right-wing here for ages, as they tried over and over to demonize working class people.
You say more about yourself than you are capable of understanding.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)because as a head of state, he sucks, he's corrupt, he allows corruption in the govt., and because he's such a incompetent fool, his party is going to suffer massive losses in the upcoming election, provided that fool allows the election to go forward.
Zorro
(15,749 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)It seems in VN, the more incompetent you are, the more qualified you are to be a govt. official.
Judi Lynn
(160,601 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Your Comrade Maduro is going to lose and lose badly in the upcoming election, provided that corrupt fool allows the elections to go forward.
I can, with absolute certainty, predict how you and a few other Maduro supporters are going to react when he gets his all kicked this election, y'all will blame the US/CIA and declare the election was stolen.
Judi Lynn
(160,601 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Will you accept the results of the elections when, not if, but when the opposition takes control of the legislature?
Or will you, predictably, declare that the election was stolen by the USA/CIA?
Throd
(7,208 posts)One by one his defenders slinked away into the shadows.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)asses handed to them in the upcoming election.
Marksman_91
(2,035 posts)Time will prove eventually just how much on the wrong side of history they were. Remember, these people are what's known as "useful idiots.
Useful Idiot definition (as shown by most sources: ) someone who supports one side of an ideological debate, but who is manipulated and held in contempt by the leaders of their faction or is unaware of the ultimate agenda driving the ideology to which they subscribe
The Chavista supporters here fit that description to a T.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)You two sound identical. Must be paid by the same people.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)and I don't need to get paid to know that Comrade Maduro is an incompetent, corrupt fool.
Let me ask you this, when, not if, but when the opposition wins in this election, will you accept the will of the people's choice?
Or will you be like a few others here and declare it to be a stolen election via the USA/CIA?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)a drug interdiction program with Aruba and Curacao.
Maduro is a dumb, lying thug.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)moments from the incompetent Chavista government, desperately trying to distract public attention as the date for elections comes ever closer. Look for Maduro and company to pull another 'presidential assassination attempt' out of their nether regions to fire up national fervor just prior to elections.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)Because with each post we make more money. Probobly US tax dollars too.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Venezuela no longer has a socialist govt, it's increasingly becoming a dictatorship under the incompetent and corrupt fool, Maduro.
He should have stayed a bus driver, because as a head of state, he has no clue what a socialist is.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)Venezuela is still very much a socialist country. It's just that the elite 1% are better at spinning because of all the US tax payer money they suck out of the country.
I'm sure some of our tax money is going to pay for people to put up post just like yours.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)But if it helps you sleep at night defending that fool, so be it.
Judi Lynn
(160,601 posts)Manufacturing Contempt for Venezuela
Written by Cyril Mychalejko
Tuesday, 04 March 2014 22:55
Francisco Toro, a Venezuelan blogger and founder of Caracas Chronicles.A profile of the Venezuelan oppositions systematic misinformation campaign and social medias contribution to it.
The Venezuelan opposition has been skillfully using Twitter and Facebook to disseminate horrifying photos and testimonies of alleged government violence and abuse against protesters over the last few weeks. The problem with these allegations and images which have gone viral globally, and even used by media outlets, is that they are fabrications; many of the most viral photos allegedly from Venezuela have actually depicted images from places such as Syria, Chile, Brazil - and even a US-based porn site.
Initial, inaccurate information will be retweeted more than any subsequent correction, wrote Craig Silverman, journalist and founder of the blog Regret the Error, for the Poynter Institute in a post in 2010. Silvermans insight reveals the dangers, often ignored, about the use of Twitter and social media as a news source, as well as a tool for liberation and uprisings.
However, the way social media is being used, or some might say abused, in Venezuela is not the result of a few bad apples or some mischievous students taking part in opposition protests. In fact, this propaganda technique is being used by high profile opposition figures, while training anti-chavista Venezuelans to use social media has been a project of Washington for some time now.
According to Caracas-based journalist and attorney Eva Golinger, the US spent nearly $15 million annually by 2007...directed towards youth and student groups [in Venezuela], including training in the use of social networks to mobilize political activism. Student leaders were sent to the US for workshops and conferences on Internet activism and media networking. They were formed in tactics to promote regime change via street riots and strategic use of media to portray the government as repressive.
The adoption of social media as a tool to advance US foreign policy objectives, including regime change, did not end with President George W. Bushs administration. Actually, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton further developed it as a coherent policy tool labelled 21st Century Statecraft. I wrote about this and how Venezuela and other ALBA countries were targets for this new technological imperialism back in 2012.
More:
http://upsidedownworld.org/main/venezuela-archives-35/4728-manufacturing-contempt-for-venezuela
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)She's nothing more than a loudmouth cheerleader for the corrupt Maduro regime.
Judi Lynn
(160,601 posts)It would put substance behind the right-wing fringe hatred of this lawyer who does such fantastic research and lets the world know about it.
Pure comedy gold.
Fantastic research?
She's right up there with TeleSur, they're both nothing more than paid mouthpieces for the corrupt Maduro regime.
Judi Lynn
(160,601 posts)Your hostility itself is not adequate.
Real information, real facts are important. Right-wingers fear the truth.
Marksman_91
(2,035 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)EX500rider
(10,849 posts)Sounds like a great source for unbiased opinions on the Venezuelan government...lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Golinger
Judi Lynn
(160,601 posts)Democrats are keenly aware of all the complete crap they published to move the public to support the Iraq invasion, mostly through their reporter, Judith Miller, generating world wide disgrace.
Their 3 virulently anti-Chavez reporters have been Francisco Toro, Simon Romero, and Juan Forero, as well as another guy who worked at their Mexico City bureau. Francisco Toro was forced out by public reaction in the US to his crap, and he continues to write his poisonous gibberish to this day for Slate, and anyone else low enough to publish it.
New York Times doesn't llike Eva Golinger. That's hot.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)You never did answer my question, will you and the other Maduro cheerleaders accept the election results if the Maduro govt gets it's ass kicked?
Marksman_91
(2,035 posts)Or that TeleSur isn't either? I await your response. And don't try to change the subject, as you've tried to do all the time.
EX500rider
(10,849 posts)I'd say Eva as a paid employee of the Venezuelan govt is not a reliable source...
Correo del Orinoco (the Orinoco Post) is a Venezuelan newspaper launched in 2009 with government backing. It is named for Simón Bolívar's nineteenth-century Correo del Orinoco, although it is published in Caracas unlike the original which was published on the Orinoco river.
The newspaper describes itself as progressive, with affiliations to the Ministry of Popular Power for Communication and Information and the United Socialist Party of Venezuela. Vanessa Davies, a political activist for the United Socialist Party of Venezuela, is the editor of the newspaper. In 2010 the Correo del Orinoco launched a weekly English-language edition, Correo del Orinoco International, with Eva Golinger as its editor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correo_del_Orinoco_(2009)
"The Ministry of Popular Power for Communication and Information"
How Orwellian sounding is that? lol
Marksman_91
(2,035 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,601 posts)Buying Venezuelas Press With U.S. Tax Dollars
The U.S. State Department is secretly funneling millions of dollars to Latin American journalists. Newly released documents show that between 2007 and 2009, the State Department channeled at least $4 million to journalists in Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela through the Washington-based Pan American Development Foundation (PADF). Thus far, only documents pertaining to Venezuela have been released. They reveal that the PADF, collaborating with Venezuelan NGOs associated with the countrys political opposition, has been supplied with at least $700,000 to give out journalism grants and sponsor journalism education programs. In funding the Venezuelan news media, the United States is funding one of the oppositions most powerful weapons against President Hugo Chávez.
Jeremy Bigwood
The U.S. State Department is secretly funneling millions of dollars to Latin American journalists, according to documents obtained in June under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The 20 documents released to this authorincluding grant proposals, awards, and quarterly reportsshow that between 2007 and 2009, the State Departments little-known Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor channeled at least $4 million to journalists in Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Venezuela through the Pan American Development Foundation (PADF), a Washington-based grant maker that has worked in Latin America since 1962. Thus far, only documents pertaining to Venezuela have been released. They reveal that the PADF, collaborating with Venezuelan NGOs associated with the countrys political opposition, has been supplied with at least $700,000 to give out journalism grants and sponsor journalism education programs. Until now, the State Department has hidden its role in funding the Venezuelan news media, one of the oppositions most powerful weapons against President Hugo Chávez and his Bolivarian movement. The PADF, serving as an intermediary, effectively removed the governments fingerprints from the money. Yet, as noted in a State Department document titled Bureau/Program Specific Requirements, the State Departments own policies require that all publications funded by the department acknowledge the support. But the provision was simply waived for the PADF. For the purposes of this award, the requirements document adds, . . . the recipient is not required to publicly acknowledge the support of the U.S. Department of State. Before 2007, the largest funder of U.S. democracy promotion activities in Venezuela was not the State Department but the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), together with the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). But in 2005, these organizations underhanded funding was exposed by Venezuelan American attorney Eva Golinger in a series of articles, books, and lectures (disclosure: This author obtained many of the documents). After the USAID and NED covers were blown wide openforcing USAIDs main intermediary, Development Alternatives Inc. (DAI), a Marylandbased contractor, to close its office in Caracasthe U.S. government apparently sought new funding channels, one of which the PADF appears to have provided. Although the $700,000 allocated to the PADF, which is noted in the State Departments requirements document, may not seem like a lot of money, the funds have been strategically used to buy off the best of Venezuelas news media and recruit young journalists. This has been achieved by collaborating with opposition NGOs, many of which have a strong media focus. The requirements document is the only document that names any of these organizationswhich was probably an oversight on the State Departments part, since the recipients names and a lot of other information are excised in the rest of the documents. The requirements document names Espacio Público and Instituto Prensa y Sociedad, two leading organizations linked to the Venezuelan opposition, as recipients of subgrants. Neither organization makes clear its connection to the State Department. Espacio Público, according to its website, is a non-profit, non-governmental civil association that is independent and autonomous of political parties, religious institutions, international organizations or any government (emphasis added). Two of three images on the homepage are from anti-Chávez demonstrations. The other subgrantee, the Venezuelan chapter of Instituto Prensa y Sociedad (IPyS-Ve), is a Peru-based journalism organization that was started with funding from USAID, and that has continued to receive USAID money while launching a series of attacks on Chávez. It has explicitly opposed Chávez since 2000, when it falsely accused him of harboring Peruvian dictator Alberto Fujimoris fugitive spymaster, Vladimiro Montesinos (Chávezs own authorities later arrested Montesinos and extradited him to Peru). The documents detail a series of grants doled out to unnamed individual journalists. These include two kinds of grants for innovative reporting and investigative reporting, with the winning content disseminated online and to selected independent media audiences. While we dont know who won these grants, we know that they were substantial. One of them consisted of 10 one-year grants of $25,000 each. For many journalists, especially in Latin America, $25,000 for a year is a high salary. The PADF also holds 2 competitions, one per year, for a total of $20,000 in funding awarded to at least 6 entries. The PADFs Venezuela program also supports journalism education, which is undertaken to produce investigative work via innovative media technologies, according to an Action Memorandum for a fiscal year 2007 grant. This grant includes a series of trainings for local journalists focused on the basic and advanced skills of Internet-based reporting and investigative reporting, according to the requirements document. The education program engages a wide range of Venezuelan media organizations and news outlets, including 4 university partners, where it aims to establish one course per school on investigative reporting. PADF proposes targeting not only universities in the capital city of Caracas, but also regional ones in the Andes, Center East, Zulia and the Western region of the country. In each region, the local partners will sign agreements with academic institutions that teach social communications. The revelations of U.S. funding of Venezuelan journalism comes on the heels of a report released in May by the center-right European think tank FRIDE, which found that since 2002 the United States has spent an estimated $3 million to $6 million every year on small projects with political parties and NGOs in Venezuela, with funds distributed through an alphabet soup of shifting and intertwined channels. (The report was removed from FRIDEs website soon after it was publicized.) The PADF journalism program thus appears to be part of a much larger project of propping up the Venezuelan opposition. The Venezuelan journalists and students who benefited from the grants and education may not have known of the State Department funding. Nonetheless, covert foreign state support for ostensibly independent journalism violates basic principles of the professions integrity.* Look for an expanded version of this article in the September/October edition of NACLA Report on the Americas. *The word covert was added to this sentence on July 18.
https://nacla.org/news/buying-venezuela%E2%80%99s-press-us-tax-dollars
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)fasttense
(17,301 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)we posted similar responses.
Apparently he thinks that 2 different people can't post similar responses.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)BTW, did you get your October check from the Venezuelan Oligarchy 1%er's yet? Mine is overdue. Must mean they're having a hard time getting dollars.
Still waiting.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)government in charge.
The economic philosophy is "we have oil, so why should people have to work?"
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Marksman_91
(2,035 posts)They're so utterly convinced that the PSUV leadership are saints who can do no wrong and have simply had the economy they almost completely control sabotaged by invisible CIA agents. It's pathetic.
olddots
(10,237 posts)I'd say a majority of Democrats support this Democratic administration's policies on Venezuela.
A noisy minority would prefer Obama demonstrate obsequious deference to Maduro because..."Bolivarian socialism"!
Judi Lynn
(160,601 posts)bogus Democrats spend all their time attacking Democratic posters.
It's ugly but easy to see.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)bogus Democrats?
ozone_man
(4,825 posts)of right wing Democrats vs. left wing Democrats. If you like HC and Obama, then you may support a CIA overthrow of Venezuela, like Bush attempted, or Nixon achieved in Chile 1973. Or more subtly, the National Endowment for Democracy, the Democrat's preferred way.
It's not a judgment, just a stating of where people's positions are. Do we continue support of the MIC in these cases, or shift away from that, and allow sovereign nations to seek their own destiny?
Marksman_91
(2,035 posts)and still have the brainpower to understand that Venezuela is where it is right now thanks to the incompetence and corruption of the regime that currently rules it instead of resorting to the bogus excuse "BUT ALLENDE 1973!!! NIXON SAID 'MAKE ECONOMY SCREAM'!!! BLARGARGAH."
Understand that the world does not work in black & white, as Judy and the other useful idiots in this site have failed to comprehend. You can be a democrat that supports policies such as Bernie Sanders' AND still not be a supporter of the Chavista regime. Just sayin', Noam Chomsky himself said recently that he believes the Chavista model to have been a failure. Is he one of those "establishment democrats" too then?
ozone_man
(4,825 posts)It is definitely a grey area. I tend to agree with Noam Chomsky on most issues in politics.
Still, a lot of the situations in Central and South America have been encouraged by us. And that includes our infliction of Democracy by our definitions on them. E.g., the NED.
Venezuela's situation is exacerbated by the artificially low price of oil. Now that OPEC has been essentially destroyed by us (Kadaffi started that consortium), there is an oil glut, helping to destabilize some of our enemies, including Venezuela.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)NuttyFluffers
(6,811 posts)know that your work to bring different viewpoints here is appreciated.