In new shock poll, Sanders has landslides over both Trump and Bush
Source: The Hill
By Brent Budowsky
In a new McClatchy-Marist poll, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) leads Republican candidate Donald Trump by a landslide margin of 12 percentage points, 53 to 41. In the McClatchy poll, Sanders also leads former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) by a landslide margin of 10 points, 51 to 41.
The huge Sanders advantage over Trump is not new. In the last four match-up polls between them reported by Real Clear Politics, Sanders defeated Trump by margins of 12, 9, 9 and 2 percentage points.
The huge Sanders advantage over Bush is new. In previous match-ups, the polling showed Sanders and Bush running virtually even, with Bush holding a 1-point lead over Sanders in most of the polls. Future polls will be needed to test whether the huge Sanders lead over Bush in the McClatchy poll will be repeated in future polling or whether the McClatchy poll is an outlier.
It is shocking that the data suggests that Sanders has a lead over Trump that could be so huge that he would win a landslide victory in the presidential campaign, with margins that would almost certainly lead Democrats to regain control of the Senate and could help Democrats regain control of the House of Representative if, of course, the three polls that show Sanders beating Trump by 9 to 12 points reflect final voting in the presidential election.
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Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/259812-in-new-shock-poll-sanders-has-landslides-over-both
Faux pas
(14,690 posts)and feelin' the Bern
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and he'll be a lot tougher.
Imajika
(4,072 posts)Trump will fade as his circus act gets old and Bush is a terrible candidate.
Rubio may turn out to be a challenging foe.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that helps right away with the 'change' argument
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)But I have to agree with you on this one that Rubio is their most viable candidate and if they were smart they would nominate him.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)trillion
(1,859 posts)My sources say that the establishment expectation is that Rubio will be the nominee. Bush can't get the rank-and-file on board and Trump will be taken down. It will be a radically new contest after that.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)I called the nomination for Rubio back in Sept.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251632574
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)however Trumps pretty close
the reasoning behind their fear about Rubio is well Trump
trillion
(1,859 posts)so I guess it is an improvement. Glad Fiorina isn't likely to be it. I can't stand that hag either. I am a woman so it's not sexist. It's her postion on women. The GOP sure pick the bottom of the barrel to run. I mean they even found a sexist woman and a racist blackman.
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Skittles
(153,193 posts)CARSON IS A NUTCASE
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)that's apparently a plus in Rightwingloonieland.
Owl
(3,643 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Nothing could convince me otherwise. I know enough not-batshit-crazy Republicans who vote.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)He's only 3 points down against Bernie, and 2 against Hillary. Carson will (possibly is, right now) self-destruct, and so will Trump for that matter. Rubio still stands a chance of being molded into a credible candidate.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)I join with the conventional wisdom that neither Trump nor Carson has any real shot at the nomination. Their supporters, however, won't go away. Those Republican voters are disgusted with the status quo, with the same old same old from the Republican Party. Cruz is better positioned than Rubio to pick up their votes.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
still_one
(92,397 posts)against the republican nominee first?
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
still_one
(92,397 posts)like it to be.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Everyone needs to see this:
Second, and perhaps more important, Sanders's strength in general election polling gives credence to the argument I have been making in recent years, that American voters favor progressive populist positions which, if taken by Democrats in the general election, would lead to a progressive populist Democratic president and far greater Democratic strength in Congress.
It is a fallacy argued by conservatives and, in my view, inaccurately parroted by the mainstream media, that Sanders and other liberals take positions that are far too "left." The polling shows, issue by issue, and increasingly in general election match-ups of Republicans running against Sanders, that it is the left, not the right, which has the upper hand with American voters.
This blows away most of the excuses given for supporting Hillary over Bernie, IMHO.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)I think that non voters will come out of the woodwork and get to the polls ... and totally blow out legislative opponents ...
I am ever hopeful .... We NEED a Bernie Sanders at the helm, with a congress that will work FOR the people instead of against them ...
trillion
(1,859 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)(Her landslide over Trump is even greater.) All this poll proves is that any Democratic candidate fares well against these two jokers. Where's the shock?
The issue is still who gets the Democratic nomination to ultimately run against the R nominee.
George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)if your logic for supporting Clinton is "becuase Sanders can't win against the Republicans" then this is kind of, y'know, proving that notion wrong.
George II
(67,782 posts)....that Clinton would win in an even bigger landslide.
So what's your problem, Scootaloo?
trillion
(1,859 posts)perhaps you want to go there some time and click the play button. Most people on this site that do give it a try end up finding it's the most important news site out there. I mention it because your support of Hillary seems like you're missing a lot of information.
George II
(67,782 posts)trillion
(1,859 posts)corrupt status quo that has more than 100 million assured by her superpacts(prison corporations, etc.)
and yet, she's only 3 point above Sanders. She's doing terrible and she is a TERRIBLE choice for a candidate. To many Dems are educated enough to know exactly why. I watched her for years as a Senator and as Secretary of state as she sold us down river repeatedly. Her newly non-support of the TPP is only lipservice. She is one of the originators of the current TPP agreement. Thank God she has only a 3% gap from Sanders. That has plenty of time for him to close.
Here's one link, but I remember when it was actually happening(when the first agreements started) and we all knew it was bad then and it turned out Hillary was behind it and was part of the people designing it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027058998
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)There is the money line
PSPS
(13,614 posts)I know the media will create a horse race to sell its ads. Nevertheless, the GOP primary positions are crafted to appeal to such a small segment of society (what's left of their dwindling base) that it will crush any chance of a win in a general election. That's why they are calling it, "the booby prize of the GOP nomination."
And, Rubio? Are you kidding? The pundit thinking that "Rubio will bring the Latino vote" is utter hogwash. Do you know how Hispanics themselves refer to Rubio's supposed appeal? "Hispandering."
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)smiley
(1,432 posts)Go Bernie Go!
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Historic NY
(37,453 posts)and welcome to DU.
Omaha Steve
(99,714 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)If he can't overcome Hillary, the other polls are useless for him.
fbc
(1,668 posts)There appears to be a large number of democrats who support Hillary because they mistakenly believe she is more electable in a general election. It's important to get the message to these people that the opposite is true before the democrats lose the general election to a far right wing lunatic.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Bernie can overcome her. The belief that she could win and Bernie can't is basically all she has going for her at this point. Gert the majority of Dem primary voters to see that Bernie is actually MORE electable(which is what these polls prove), and her advantage will vanish.
trillion
(1,859 posts)the 100 million corporate backing she does and it hasn't stopped him.
drray23
(7,637 posts)More interesting would be to see how he does against Marco Rubio whom, I think will end up with the nomination.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)Bernie's a socialist . Oh, wait! He won't have to! Bernie has already done that for him!
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Only person he doesn't beat is Carson.
fbc
(1,668 posts)Hillary on the other hand.... despised by the opposition, disliked by a very large percentage of her own party, and with unfavorability ratings through the roof in the battleground states. That's a recipe for disaster in the general election.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)mvd
(65,180 posts)Bernie is still a capitalist with socialist elements. The Democratic Socialism can be explained that way. When Bernie shows how his views are the opposite of scary, I bet he'd get a lot of support.
c588415
(285 posts)He aint gonna win
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Egnever
(21,506 posts)Likely voters are odd folks.
trillion
(1,859 posts)Now if trump could fall out. I can't stand that guy. Even for a min for news clips. ewww
Duckfan
(1,268 posts)Despite the likelihood an R would beat her in the GE. So her support for TPP and manufacturing jobs going to China are meaningless to them. Just more of the same corporate Wall Street crap.
crim son
(27,464 posts)Not sure how it will turn out but I am certain there will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth. Idiots.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Nitram
(22,879 posts)I'm not sure I can stand the excitement!
tabasco
(22,974 posts)I sure hope so.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Shows that some Trump supporters prefer change, plus Sanders rock solid understanding of government, and what needs to be done. Sanders is absolutely for the 99% while Trump is conveniently vague on what he wants to do.