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Zorro

(15,749 posts)
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:04 PM Nov 2015

Israeli spy Pollard freed from U.S. prison; lawyers challenge parole

Source: Reuters

Lawyers for Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, released on Friday after 30 years in a U.S. prison, said the conditions of his parole are unreasonable and illegal and should be vacated by a federal court.

The former U.S. Navy analyst left a federal prison in Butner, North Carolina, about 45 miles north of Raleigh, early Friday morning, said Edmond Ross, a spokesman for the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

According to Pollard's lawyers, he will be required to wear an electronic bracelet so his movements can be monitored at all times. Also, his computers and those of any employer who hires him will be subjected to "unfettered monitoring and inspection."

The lawyers called the conditions "onerous and oppressive" in a statement announcing their legal challenge in a federal court in New York on Friday.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-spy-pollard-set-free-u-prison-israeli-094917822.html

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Israeli spy Pollard freed from U.S. prison; lawyers challenge parole (Original Post) Zorro Nov 2015 OP
Fuck him... His attorneys just need to be thankful their boy is out Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #1
let him go home. America needs to fix its relationship with Israel now more than ever ericson00 Nov 2015 #2
Sending a TRAITOR back to Isreal helps us HOW? dbackjon Nov 2015 #4
Totally false. former9thward Nov 2015 #10
I believe that it is the other way around Tarc Nov 2015 #5
The Israelis need to STFU with their pathetic whining on behalf geek tragedy Nov 2015 #17
relationships are two way karynnj Nov 2015 #18
NO!!! atreides1 Nov 2015 #29
To South Bend? alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #38
He should still be in jail dbackjon Nov 2015 #3
Why? Aldrich Ames and and Robert Hanssen. two CIA employees question everything Nov 2015 #8
It's not about who you spied for, but who you spied against. I have no problem with Abel - he was 24601 Nov 2015 #9
Because he's a treacherous scumbag who betrayed his own country. geek tragedy Nov 2015 #19
Tough shit. I know people with harsher conditions for a pot bust. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #6
I'm not familiar with what's typical for parole conditions, but that part about petronius Nov 2015 #7
I know, he won't ever be able to find a job. He is 61 years old, let him go home to Israel Sunlei Nov 2015 #13
"home"?? his previous home was the US. karynnj Nov 2015 #22
Israel would welcome him and Family, but a parol condition is-not allowed to go to Israel. Sunlei Nov 2015 #24
it is a normal condition of the routine parole he is getting karynnj Nov 2015 #25
IMO, 30 of the best years of his life is more than enough 'punishment' for copy a couple of oldbooks Sunlei Nov 2015 #26
IMO, it was more then copies of old books!!! atreides1 Nov 2015 #30
Our Government is very good at building a Mountain out of a molehill. Sunlei Nov 2015 #32
You are Israeli? dbackjon Nov 2015 #48
Once again - untrue Depaysement Nov 2015 #35
good, I'm glad someone provided him a decent job. He has a lot of supporters. Sunlei Nov 2015 #39
Anyone that supports a traitor is a traitor themselves dbackjon Nov 2015 #49
No one would hire him anyways. He's an unstable untrustworthy felon geek tragedy Nov 2015 #20
I'd hire him but I don't want FBI messing up my gaming computers, & he's to old for this work. Sunlei Nov 2015 #28
He has a job offer from an investment firm in New York nt Depaysement Nov 2015 #36
Which one? nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #40
Don't know Depaysement Nov 2015 #41
so they're not hiring him, they're giving him wingnut welfare nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #42
No Depaysement Nov 2015 #44
legally, yes, but that's how wingnut welfare works. they shovel cash geek tragedy Nov 2015 #45
That's possible nt Depaysement Nov 2015 #46
he has no job skills other than stealing and backstabbing geek tragedy Nov 2015 #47
Some of the replies here are remarkably misinformed Depaysement Nov 2015 #11
over 30 years ago. omg he mimographed a bunch of papers. probably should check evidence, it all Sunlei Nov 2015 #15
He betrayed his country. nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #21
Let him go home to Israel. Sunlei Nov 2015 #12
He and his apologists can fuck right the fuck off. nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #14
My sentiments exactly Depaysement Nov 2015 #16
He'd better get over it. He only avoided a life sentence because of mandated MADem Nov 2015 #23
thank you for the many posts explaining the terms karynnj Nov 2015 #27
If he doesn't like it, he can always go back to his cell JHB Nov 2015 #31
let him go he can do less harm there than he could here azurnoir Nov 2015 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #34
Fuck him Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #37
+1000 Depaysement Nov 2015 #43
 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
2. let him go home. America needs to fix its relationship with Israel now more than ever
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:15 PM
Nov 2015

and this will help.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
4. Sending a TRAITOR back to Isreal helps us HOW?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:20 PM
Nov 2015

They sold the info to the Soviets.


Israel needs to have BIBI come crawling with an apology to the United States.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
10. Totally false.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:17 PM
Nov 2015

The information was not sold to the Soviets. Even the prosecutors who told huge lies at trial did not go that far.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
5. I believe that it is the other way around
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:22 PM
Nov 2015

All aid to Israel should be cut off. When their electorate smartens up and stops electing their own versions of Donald Trump, then they can come back and request to get back in our good graces.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. The Israelis need to STFU with their pathetic whining on behalf
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:36 AM
Nov 2015

of a man they turned against his own country.

He can do his five years of probation like every other major felon, then the traitorous scumbag can leave.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
18. relationships are two way
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:39 AM
Nov 2015

Netanyahu has been utterly disrepectful towards Obama. He also smeared both Obama and Kerry distorting their efforts to get a ceasefire when Netanyahu really did not want one and demonizing the deal with Iran, ignoring Israeli intelligence that.it was good. Then he asked for 5 billion rather than the former about 3.5 billion a year for 10 years " to make up for Iran".

Maybe you could suggest Israel formally admit he was their spy and apologize. They should additionally say the government will NOT reward him by paying him for this illegal work.

atreides1

(16,093 posts)
29. NO!!!
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:08 AM
Nov 2015

Pollard is a traitor...and sold out the US for his 30 pieces of silver. Let him rot for the next 5 years, and then revoke his citizenship and send his ass to Israel!

Pollard is no better then Robert Hansen!!!

question everything

(47,535 posts)
8. Why? Aldrich Ames and and Robert Hanssen. two CIA employees
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:26 PM
Nov 2015

spied for the Soviet Union, caused the executions of many of our agents and got the same punishment as Pollard who spied for a friend.

And then of course, there was the Soviet Spy Rudolph Abel, who was exchanged for US pilot Gary Powers.

Perhaps Israel should have captured a CIA operative in Israel and held it for exchange.

But then, the hatred here for anything Israel is almost too pathetic to even be considered on the merit.

24601

(3,962 posts)
9. It's not about who you spied for, but who you spied against. I have no problem with Abel - he was
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:54 PM
Nov 2015

just doing his job. My problem is US Citizens who provide US classified information to other nations.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
19. Because he's a treacherous scumbag who betrayed his own country.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:39 AM
Nov 2015

Fuck him. He got what he deserved. And the fact that he did it on behalf of our "friends" the Israelis is not a mitigating factor. He should have done the honorable thing and resigned, renounced his US citizenship, then announced his loyalty and service to a foreign country.

petronius

(26,603 posts)
7. I'm not familiar with what's typical for parole conditions, but that part about
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:41 PM
Nov 2015

his potential employer's computers being open to search seems pretty extreme to me...

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
24. Israel would welcome him and Family, but a parol condition is-not allowed to go to Israel.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:50 AM
Nov 2015
Pollard’s lawyers have sought permission for him to immediately travel back to Israel to live with his family and “resume his life there” and even had the support of two Democratic members of Congress backing the request. Pollard’s supporters say they don’t know what’s next for him

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
25. it is a normal condition of the routine parole he is getting
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:58 AM
Nov 2015

As such it is really part of his sentence.

The problem in fact is that Israel will not only welcome him as a hero, but pay him for what he did ---- all the while demanding $5 billion a year from us.

Maybe if Israel wanted to make it more likely the President would waive this, they could apologize and agree he does not get money from Israel.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
26. IMO, 30 of the best years of his life is more than enough 'punishment' for copy a couple of oldbooks
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:00 AM
Nov 2015

atreides1

(16,093 posts)
30. IMO, it was more then copies of old books!!!
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:18 AM
Nov 2015

Prior to Pollard's plea bargain, the U.S. government began preparing a multi-count criminal indictment on him, which included drug and tax-fraud charges along with espionage. The government's indictment included allegations that Pollard used classified documents to unsuccessfully broker an arms deal with the governments of South Africa, Argentina, and Taiwan. FBI investigators also determined that Pollard met with three Pakistanis and an Iranian foreigner in an attempt to broker arms in 1985. Pollard eventually cooperated with investigators in exchange for a plea agreement for leniency for himself and his wife. Israel said initially that Pollard worked for an unauthorized rogue operation, a position they maintained for more than ten years. They finally agreed to cooperate with the investigation in exchange for immunity for the Israelis involved.

When asked to return the stolen material, the Israelis reportedly turned over only a few dozen low-classified documents. At the time, the Americans knew that Pollard had passed tens of thousands of documents. The Israelis created a schedule designed to wear them down, including many hours per day of commuting in blacked-out buses on rough roads, and frequent switching of buses, leaving them without adequate time to sleep, and preventing them from sleeping on the commute. The identity of Pollard's original handler, Sella, was withheld. All questions had to be translated into Hebrew and answered in Hebrew, and then translated back into English, even though all the parties spoke perfect English. The Commander Jerry Agee remembers that, even as he departed the airport, airport security made a point of informing him that "you will never be coming back here again." After his return to the US, Agee found various items had been stolen from his luggage. The abuse came not only from the guards and officials, but also the Israeli media.

Sella was eventually indicted on three counts of espionage by a United States court.Israel refused to allow Sella to be interviewed unless he was granted immunity. The United States refused because of Israel's previous failure to cooperate as promised. Israel refused to extradite Sella, instead giving him command of Tel Nof Airbase. The U.S. Congress responded by threatening to cut aid to Israel, at which point Sella voluntarily stepped down to defuse tensions.

And the Israelis were so helpful afterwards...and what finally forced Sella to step down...the US Congress threatened to cut aid to Israel!

Maybe that's what Congress needs to do, threaten to cut aid...every so often!!!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
32. Our Government is very good at building a Mountain out of a molehill.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:31 AM
Nov 2015

Over past 30 years, they have even gotten better and more expensive at that Mountain building 'skill'.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
48. You are Israeli?
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:22 PM
Nov 2015

They are the ones at fault they should not have any USAID until everyone involved in the Pollack incident is jailed in that probably includes bibi because I'm sure he knew all about it

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
35. Once again - untrue
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:11 PM
Nov 2015

His habeus petition to the Court affirms that has a job in the finance department of an investment firm in New York.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
39. good, I'm glad someone provided him a decent job. He has a lot of supporters.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:44 PM
Nov 2015

Though eventually, I bet he is allowed to go home when parole is done. How long is the parole?

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
49. Anyone that supports a traitor is a traitor themselves
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:23 PM
Nov 2015

He needs to be stripped of his citizenship and sent to Israel and anybody that supports him monetarily should be on the terrorist watchlist

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
41. Don't know
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:00 PM
Nov 2015

But I know a Republican Jewish Coalition member funded this case for 15 years. His lawyer is an RJC director.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
44. No
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:04 PM
Nov 2015

A firm is actually hiring him. I think the RJC member is paying the legal bills to Eliot Lauer, Pollard's lawyer.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
45. legally, yes, but that's how wingnut welfare works. they shovel cash
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:06 PM
Nov 2015

at some disgraced wingnut by putting him on the payroll in a job with no responsibilities.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
47. he has no job skills other than stealing and backstabbing
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:08 PM
Nov 2015

now that I think about it, the wall street job does make sense.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
11. Some of the replies here are remarkably misinformed
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:20 AM
Nov 2015

Pollard copied and delivered the entire codebook for the naval Signals intelligence (RASIN), gave up the identities of US assets and case officers around the world and those are only some of his crimes. People who sacrifice for the US were put at risk. His crimes makes Snowden look like a choirboy.

The notion that you can deliver classified information to "a friend" as opposed to an enemy is laughably naive.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
15. over 30 years ago. omg he mimographed a bunch of papers. probably should check evidence, it all
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:32 AM
Nov 2015

rotted and that old 'heat ink' faded to nothing by now.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. He'd better get over it. He only avoided a life sentence because of mandated
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:44 AM
Nov 2015

parole guidelines, and there are plenty of people in Congress and elsewhere who would like to see him actually serve that life sentence.


There are others, too, who foolishly think Obama had something to do with his release (he didn't).

Response to Zorro (Original post)

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
37. Fuck him
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:17 PM
Nov 2015

And all those treasonous shitheads like him. Make me sick.

There're a lot of them, fuck them all.

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