Turkish military releases recording of warning to Russian jet
Source: the guardian
Turkish military releases recording of warning to Russian jet
Surviving crew member of downed plane is rescued in 12-hour mission and says there were no warnings
Shaun Walker in Moscow and Kareem Shaheen in Beirut
Wednesday 25 November 2015 13.51 EST
Last modified on Wednesday 25 November 2015 15.02 EST
The Turkish military has released what it says is an audio recording of a warning it gave to a Russian fighter jet before the aircraft was shot down near the Syrian border, hours after the surviving Russian crew member insisted there had been no contact.
A voice on the Turkish recording can be heard saying change your heading. But Konstantin Murakhtin, a navigator who was rescued in a joint operation by Syrian and Russian commandos, told Russian media: There were no warnings, either by radio or visually. There was no contact whatsoever.
He also denied entering Turkish airspace. I could see perfectly on the map and on the ground where the border was and where we were. There was no danger of entering Turkey, he said.
The apparent hardening of both countries versions of events came as Russian warplanes carried out heavy raids in Syrias northern Latakia province, where the plane came down. Tuesdays incident the first time a Nato member state has shot down a Russian warplane since the Korean war risks provoking a clash over the ongoing conflict in Syria, where Russia has intervened to prop up the regime of Bashar al-Assad..........................
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/25/second-russian-pilot-shot-down-turkey-alive-ambassador
w0nderer
(1,937 posts)louis-t
(23,297 posts)Period.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Now with Turkey and Russia at each other's throats it will only get worse.
bananas
(27,509 posts)If this continues to escalate - and it looks like it will - our NATO treaty requires us to get involved. If we don't, it could cause NATO to dissolve.
Doubts over the strength of the relationship between the European states and the United States ebbed and flowed, along with doubts over the credibility of the NATO defence against a prospective Soviet invasiondoubts that led to the development of the independent French nuclear deterrent and the withdrawal of France from NATO's military structure in 1966 for 30 years.
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Article 5 of the North Atlantic treaty, requiring member states to come to the aid of any member state subject to an armed attack, was invoked for the first and only time after the 11 September 2001 attacks,[6] after which troops were deployed to Afghanistan under the NATO-led ISAF.
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David__77
(23,520 posts)Turkish armed forces could have issued statements on some channel that wasn't monitored by the Russian armed forces.
Igel
(35,359 posts)Another OP quoted a pilot that heard it and recorded part of the transmission on his phone.
Still, you might be right. If they were ordered not to monitor emergency channels because then they'd have plausible deniability, it's a coherent story.
All the more damning, though. Sort of like sticking fingers in your ears and singing LA-LA-LA-LA, then saying you didn't hear when the girl changed her mind from "yes" to "no." "Sorry, you honor, I heard her give consent, but never heard her say 'no'."
I buy it just as much as the judge would.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)So if Turkey claims they warned the plane, the plane already left the airspace when it was shot.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Beating Putin at his own game.
He's been bombing the fuck out of Turkmen in an area where there's no ISIS, because the Turkmen oppose Putin's pal Assad.
Russian planes slaughtering Turkmen are pretty much fair game for Turkey, by Putin's own logic.
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uhnope
(6,419 posts)LisaL
(44,974 posts)it shot it for entering the airspace. Plane clearly was not in Turkey's airspace when it was shot down.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)Turkey routinely violates Greek airspace, so does Greece have that right? Erdogan was quoted three years back saying that an incursion is not grounds for a shoot down. Normal rules of engagement have clearly been violated by Turkey.
So what has changed his mind in this instance? The Russians aggressive targeting of illegal Daesh oil trafficking by Erdogan's son, Bilal, perhaps?
I am no big fan of Erdogan, nor Putin, but Turkey clearly overstepped the bounds on this incident.