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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:18 PM Nov 2015

Bernie Sanders Calls Planned Parenthood Shooting A Consequence Of Republican Rhetoric

Source: Politicus USA

(snip)
In a statement, Sen. Sanders said, “While we still do not know the shooter’s motive, what is clear is that Planned Parenthood has been the subject of vicious and unsubstantiated statements attacking an organization that provides critical health care for millions of Americans. I strongly support Planned Parenthood and the work it is doing and hope people realize that bitter rhetoric can have unintended consequences.”

The political campaign against Planned Parenthood has involved edited videos that are not factually accurate, congressional hearings which were filled with heated and inaccurate attacks against the health care provider, and even a Republican presidential candidate (Carly Fiorina) flat out lying about Planned Parenthood on the debate stage.

Sen. Sanders was correct. The Republican tactic of using false statements and over the top rhetoric is dangerous because it creates the climate for violence. When Republican rhetoric is combined with easy access to weapons, it makes the perfect recipe for mass shootings.

Read more: http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/28/bernie-sanders-calls-planned-parenthood-shooting-consequence-republican-rhetoric.html



https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/670665239625502720?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

I strongly support Planned Parenthood and the work it's doing. I hope people realize that bitter rhetoric can have unintended consequences.


http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-statement-on-colorado_planned-parenthood-shooting
“While we still do not know the shooter’s motive, what is clear is that Planned Parenthood has been the subject of vicious and unsubstantiated statements attacking an organization that provides critical health care for millions of Americans. I strongly support Planned Parenthood and the work it is doing and hope people realize that bitter rhetoric can have unintended consequences.”
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Bernie Sanders Calls Planned Parenthood Shooting A Consequence Of Republican Rhetoric (Original Post) cal04 Nov 2015 OP
He's 100% correct. Action_Patrol Nov 2015 #1
I support Bernie Sanders in this; but, he's going to get a whole mess of blowback from..... LongTomH Nov 2015 #2
Which is the reason he’s so appealing... busterbrown Nov 2015 #5
not from any of those who are thinking of voting for him Doctor_J Nov 2015 #12
So what? He has always spoken truth to power AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #21
Lots of people know it's true, though, and Hortensis Nov 2015 #28
Fuck the repukes. we either challenge them or live in shit. roguevalley Nov 2015 #30
I'm with you! haikugal Nov 2015 #32
Enough is Enough is Enough demwing Nov 2015 #45
Very, very true! haikugal Nov 2015 #46
Exactly. "Triangulation" just lets them push the Overton window right. Forever. phantom power Nov 2015 #43
I am so sick of the spineless and frankly "liberal elite" status quo responses from the Dems LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #39
had sucking up to the right ever helped a Dem? yurbud Nov 2015 #48
Thank you, Bernie. CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #3
And he is right Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #4
Good for him! No wonder he's my guy. nt Nay Nov 2015 #6
As usual, Bernie hits the nail right on the head. The right wing gives the haters a target valerief Nov 2015 #7
"When Republican rhetoric is combined with easy access to weapons, TryLogic Nov 2015 #8
of course, the consequences here are intended RussBLib Nov 2015 #9
it will be interesting to see Mrs Clinton try to triangulate this issue Doctor_J Nov 2015 #10
Thanks for telling the truth, Bernie. Only the pure in heart and courageous do it. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #11
Je suis PP lark Nov 2015 #13
BIG K&R! Love this guy! nt riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #14
Given from just where and who this bitter rhetoric starts Hayduke Bomgarte Nov 2015 #15
This ^^^ nt thucythucy Nov 2015 #41
I'm not so sure the consquences are 'unintended'.... Wounded Bear Nov 2015 #16
Oh, that's going to stir up the shit soup over at fox.... Hulk Nov 2015 #17
Unknown Motive? CNN No Motive in Killing Colorado “BULL” GOP/Religious Right Insanity Kills mitty14u2 Nov 2015 #18
Yesssss!!!! Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #19
K&R nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #20
Absolutely. moondust Nov 2015 #22
He actually very clearly does not do that oberliner Nov 2015 #23
Shhhhhhh.... FrodosPet Nov 2015 #35
Abso-frick'n-lutely. SoapBox Nov 2015 #24
I'd start with Calgary Ted wolfie001 Nov 2015 #25
I agree with this, particularly in light of Carly Fiorina's lies DesertRat Nov 2015 #26
Absolutely Correct! FarPoint Nov 2015 #27
Hatred breeds hatred, no doubt. Doubledee Nov 2015 #29
Crickets from HRC Stainless Nov 2015 #31
a quick search Skittles Nov 2015 #37
That doesn't surprise me davidpdx Nov 2015 #38
I support PP and Bernie. K&R nt TBF Nov 2015 #33
The word being put out is that he's some Turbineguy Nov 2015 #34
Thinking about this awhile, I'm reminded of a Federal regulation or FCC regulation Duckfan Nov 2015 #36
Thank you Senator Sanders thucythucy Nov 2015 #40
This morning we're hearing the terrorist muttered about "baby parts." Vinca Nov 2015 #42
k-n-r - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #44
Kicked and recommended The Blue Traveller Nov 2015 #47

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
2. I support Bernie Sanders in this; but, he's going to get a whole mess of blowback from.....
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:27 PM
Nov 2015

......the Repukes for this!

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
12. not from any of those who are thinking of voting for him
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:57 PM
Nov 2015

And the rest of them are the ones we're trying to take the country back from anyway. No downside in my view

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. Lots of people know it's true, though, and
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 04:47 PM
Nov 2015

someone with national stature needs to say it. Go, Bernie!

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
30. Fuck the repukes. we either challenge them or live in shit.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 04:53 PM
Nov 2015

You need an elephant hide to be in politics. Bernie has it. Its time that things like this got challenged and talked about before the nutwads of the world revolt.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,178 posts)
39. I am so sick of the spineless and frankly "liberal elite" status quo responses from the Dems
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 03:22 AM
Nov 2015

They think they will be seen as so much more sophisticated, advanced, diplomatic and refined by reacting with statements like "I'm sure (latest Republican diarrhea mouthed neanderthal) just misspoke. We shouldn't be blaming these deaths on anyone from EITHER party" "Nothing could have prevented this mentally deranged individual from carrying out this gruesome act" or some other such pandering for some imaginary "moderate" wishy washy voter.

Honestly what the #@*# have they got to lose at this point? It would actually win over a whole segment of moderate/righties that admire politicians that honestly say what no one else is willing to say, even if they disagree with it. And a whole lot in the Dem base too.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
7. As usual, Bernie hits the nail right on the head. The right wing gives the haters a target
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:41 PM
Nov 2015

and they shoot at it.

TryLogic

(1,723 posts)
8. "When Republican rhetoric is combined with easy access to weapons,
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:46 PM
Nov 2015

it makes the perfect recipe for mass shootings." - cal04

Exactly. The Republican world is so sick.

RussBLib

(9,044 posts)
9. of course, the consequences here are intended
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:52 PM
Nov 2015

You know and I know that some of these politicians making unsubstantiated claims do in fact realize that their rhetoric will indeed spur some to violence. Indeed, they hope that it does.

Of course, Sanders won't suggest that. Leave that to someone like Donald Trump, but he knows that the loonies back him and he won't do something that intentionally alienates them.

So you're left with the "unintended" consequences.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
10. it will be interesting to see Mrs Clinton try to triangulate this issue
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:53 PM
Nov 2015

She'll probably ignore it or try a platitude.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
15. Given from just where and who this bitter rhetoric starts
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 03:10 PM
Nov 2015

And the regularity and frequency in which it occurs, I don't believe for one nano-second that any of the consequences are unintended.

Horse SHIT. The narrow minded dolts spouting this anti PP crap know full well they what are inciting.


*ETA*
I should add that I absolutely agree with the Senator. This is without doubt a consequence of republican rhetoric.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
17. Oh, that's going to stir up the shit soup over at fox....
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 03:19 PM
Nov 2015

You watch. They will come out with their rocket launchers, canines and comedian-wanna-be's to try to go on the offensive against Senator Sanders. It's how these low life, anti-American seditious types respond when the spotlight is rightfully shined on their responsibility with these matters.

Kill the messenger!!!

mitty14u2

(1,015 posts)
18. Unknown Motive? CNN No Motive in Killing Colorado “BULL” GOP/Religious Right Insanity Kills
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 03:27 PM
Nov 2015


Unknown Motive

Charles Manson never killed anyone but is still doing life in prison for orchestrating Sharon Tate Murders, but those that promote Lies and Deceit to Propagate Killing of Doctors and People associated with Planned Parenthood is Politically and Religiously your duty and those that get hurt or killed is just collateral damage or unknown motive

Planned Parenthood shooting: Gunman named but “motive unknown”

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/28/us/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting/
"The CEO of StemExpress should be hung by the neck using piano wire and propped up on the lawn in front of the building with a note attached," Joseywhales wrote, according to a legal complaint filed by the National Abortion Federation in a California district court.
The person then posted Dyer's home address and offered "ten grand to whomever beats me" to her house, warning that Dyer "must die to save the innocents."
According to abortion rights advocates, Joseywhales' post is just one example of an alarming spike in death threats and violent acts against abortion providers, clinics and companies that work with them since the undercover videos of Planned Parenthood were released.

Two Planned Parenthood clinics have reported arsons, anti-abortion protesters are showing up in large numbers at doctors' homes, and commenters on conservative websites and online forums are calling for the bombings of abortion clinics across the country, according to Vicki Saporta, president of the National Abortion Federation. Saporta is so alarmed by the escalation of threats against providers that she asked the U.S. Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigations to intervene.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/abortion-providers-face-death-threats-in-wake-of-planned-parenthood-videos_55e88bbae4b0b7a9633c3f47



Caught in a fib (Don’t Say Outright Lie), Fiorina refuses to acknowledge misstep

At last week’s Republican debate, Carly Fiorina described a Planned Parenthood video showing “a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking, while someone says, ‘We have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.’”

There is no such video. It does not exist. This pesky detail has since touched off a striking series of events.

First, the GOP candidate insisted the day after the debate that she “didn’t misspeak,” adding, “I have seen those images.” Of course, Fiorina couldn’t have seen those images, because there are no such images.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/caught-fib-fiorina-refuses-acknowledge-misstep

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
19. Yesssss!!!!
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 03:27 PM
Nov 2015

And I love the anti-choice rhetoric: "We don't condone violence BUT THEY'RE KILLING BABIES!!1!11!!11

Bernie, as always, speaks for me.

moondust

(20,017 posts)
22. Absolutely.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 04:27 PM
Nov 2015

The GOP "leadership" knows their base is a hateful mob with a lot of firepower; all they have to do is give them targets.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
23. He actually very clearly does not do that
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 04:31 PM
Nov 2015

In his statement he says "we still do not know the shooter’s motive".

He goes on to express his support for Planned Parenthood and his criticisms of the attacks being leveled against it.

But he definitely does not say that the shooting is a consequence of Republican rhetoric (He says that bitter rhetoric can have unintended consequences, which is not the same).

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
35. Shhhhhhh....
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 07:45 PM
Nov 2015

Please don't ruin a perfectly good rant by injecting facts into the discussion.

The core point IS valid. Sick f***s are capable of murder, spurred on by nasty anti-choice rhetoric. Whether Sen Sanders actually said what the headlines said he said is secondary to the fact that it gets people excited to think he said it, or something close enough to count as it.

FarPoint

(12,467 posts)
27. Absolutely Correct!
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 04:44 PM
Nov 2015

I've been on this bandwagon for years...Maybe today things will change... This right wing terror must STOP...

Doubledee

(137 posts)
29. Hatred breeds hatred, no doubt.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 04:50 PM
Nov 2015

Thus far the suspects history seems to have disclosed neither political or religious affiliations. Yet the climate of hate speech seems a good place to look for motive.

"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you murder the hater; but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate...Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Every uttering of hatred for anything from anyone is violence....me.

Stainless

(718 posts)
31. Crickets from HRC
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 05:25 PM
Nov 2015

A quick search didn't show any response from HRC. Bernie and President Obama have both called out the Clown Car occupants on their dangerous dumbass PP rhetoric.

Skittles

(153,229 posts)
37. a quick search
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 09:41 PM
Nov 2015

Of the 17 candidates, only former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) have put out public statements in response to the massacre, which lasted approximately five hours and resulted in the deaths of one police officer and two civilians.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/28/3726108/presidential-candidates-colorado-shooting/



davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
38. That doesn't surprise me
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 10:40 PM
Nov 2015

Eventually one of the Republican candidates is going to have to break their silence on the issue then the others will be forced to fall into line.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
36. Thinking about this awhile, I'm reminded of a Federal regulation or FCC regulation
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 08:51 PM
Nov 2015

that prohibited and form of "inciting" any form of violence on the air. I'm almost certain the FCC had that on the books prior to 1980.

Then of course Ronnie came in and ended that so called "government is too big BS."

People on Cluster Faux or any white wing talk show needs to face the consequences for talking trash on the air that causes harm to another person--especially Michael Winer.

thucythucy

(8,102 posts)
40. Thank you Senator Sanders
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:58 AM
Nov 2015

for saying out loud what we should know is the obvious truth.

I have only one quibble. He talks about "unintended consequences." I wouldn't give the folks who peddle these vicious lies about Planned Parenthood that kind of credit. Some of them at least know damn well what might and probably will happen because of their rabid rhetoric--and are just fine with provoking unhinged and (thanks to the NRA) well armed people into making just this sort of attack.

Every presidential candidate, every elected national figure ought to come out and condemn the hate speech that provoked this. Few will, though, which is what makes Senator Sanders such a forthright and decent human being.

Vinca

(50,319 posts)
42. This morning we're hearing the terrorist muttered about "baby parts."
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:19 AM
Nov 2015

I'd say the people who manufactured that video out of whole cloth and Carly Fiorina, who promoted it as gospel, have blood on their hands.

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