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inanna

(3,547 posts)
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:04 PM Dec 2015

‘Holy Grail’ of shipwrecks found off Colombian coast

Source: Euronews

05/12 18:47 CET

Colombia claims to have discovered what’s been described as the ‘holy grail’ of shipwrecks of the coast of Cartagena.

The San Jose is documented has having been carrying one of the richest cargoes of treasure ever to have been lost at sea

It was sunk by a British warship in 1708 on its way from South America to Spain, ruled by King Philip V at the time. 600 lives were lost.

The treasure that went down with it is estimated to be worth between around three-and-a-half to fifteen-and-a-half billion euros.

“It constitutes one of the biggest – if not the biggest, as some say, discoveries of sunken treasure in the history of mankind, “
Colombia’s President Juan Manuel Santos told a press conference.

Read more: http://www.euronews.com/2015/12/05/holy-grail-of-shipwrecks-found-off-colombian-coast/

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‘Holy Grail’ of shipwrecks found off Colombian coast (Original Post) inanna Dec 2015 OP
Thanks for posting this! hibbing Dec 2015 #1
Let the battle begin again! Proserpina Dec 2015 #2
It is my understanding that courts have already ruled COLGATE4 Dec 2015 #3
I hope this is the case. It belongs to the native country. Paper Roses Dec 2015 #4
And the original owners (native indians) don't get squat? I doubt there was a "Colombian Nation" erronis Dec 2015 #11
That's an interesting theory, but I don't think COLGATE4 Dec 2015 #13
I don't remember any such court case... Blue_Tires Dec 2015 #18
Here's another link PatSeg Dec 2015 #5
Nice article. murielm99 Dec 2015 #9
You're welcome PatSeg Dec 2015 #15
"richest cargoes of treasure ever to have been lost at sea" Laf.La.Dem. Dec 2015 #6
Another footnote, many, many shiploads like it were successfully stolen from the Americas L. Coyote Dec 2015 #10
Colombia to build museum for Spanish galleon discovery, president says Judi Lynn Dec 2015 #7
well it looks like navarth Dec 2015 #8
600 lives?! kentauros Dec 2015 #12
fleet reddread Dec 2015 #14
1000+ Tons... ozone82 Dec 2015 #16
Thanks :) kentauros Dec 2015 #17

hibbing

(10,098 posts)
1. Thanks for posting this!
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:15 PM
Dec 2015

I always love stories like this. With all the technology in the world there are still things to be found and discovered.


Peace

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
2. Let the battle begin again!
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:21 PM
Dec 2015

Who will get the plunder? The native peoples who were robbed, the European-based governments that took over their lands, the Spanish? The treasure hunters?

This should be an interesting spectacle.

Paper Roses

(7,473 posts)
4. I hope this is the case. It belongs to the native country.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:42 PM
Dec 2015

PS, I found a penny today. Could this lead to greater discoveries?

erronis

(15,269 posts)
11. And the original owners (native indians) don't get squat? I doubt there was a "Colombian Nation"
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 06:07 PM
Dec 2015

before the time that Columbus and his murderous hordes destroyed the western hemisphere.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
18. I don't remember any such court case...
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 05:27 PM
Dec 2015

This ship and everything on it belonged to ME in a past life.... I can feel it in my bones...

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
7. Colombia to build museum for Spanish galleon discovery, president says
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:10 PM
Dec 2015

Colombia to build museum for Spanish galleon discovery, president says

The museum will be built in Cartagena, near where the San Jose shipwreck was found last week 307 years after it sank, President Juan Manuel Santos said

Reuters in Bogotá
Saturday 5 December 2015 13.30 EST

Colombia will build a museum to showcase artefacts found in the wreckage of a Spanish galleon discovered near the historic Caribbean port city of Cartagena, President Juan Manuel Santos said on Saturday.

The San Jose, thought by historians to be laden with emeralds and precious coins, sank in 1708. It was part of the fleet of King Philip V, who fought the English during the War of Spanish Succession.

“We will build a great museum here in Cartagena,” Santos said on national television from Cartagena’s naval base.

“Without a doubt, without room for any doubt, we have found, 307 years after it sank, the San Jose galleon,” Santos said.

More:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/05/colombia-spanish-galleon-san-jose-museum-cartagena

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
12. 600 lives?!
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 06:26 PM
Dec 2015

While everyone's going on and on about the treasure, I'm wondering just how big was this ship for 600+ lives to be lost? That's a lot of people and living quarters, in addition to the room they needed for all of that treasure.

I saw the link above with pictures, but the painting doesn't give me any kind of decent sense of scale, and certainly not layout. Any help here?

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
17. Thanks :)
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 01:49 AM
Dec 2015

Although I went to Wikipedia, and found just a little more info under the entry on "Wager's Action" as follows (I've had to assume the numbers in parenthesis mean the number of crew) :

The Spanish fleet was composed of fourteen merchant ships, a hulk lightly armed and three escorting warships:{1}
San José (64) (Capitan Santillán)
San Joaquín (64) (Capitan Villanueva)
Santa Cruz (44) (Capitan de la Rosa)

The gold and silver was concentrated on the 3 largest vessels. The San José had 7 to 11 million pesos on board, and the San Joaquin 5 million. The Santa Cruz had the rest, only a fraction of the other two ships.

*****************

The Expedition attacked the San José and approached the vessel with the clear intention of boarding the ship. Around 7 p.m., after an hour and a half of fierce fighting and with only 60 meters between the two ships, suddenly the San José blew up. The ship sank immediately, taking its precious cargo and almost the entire crew to the bottom of the sea. There were only 11 survivors out of the 600 crew and passengers on board.

Still nothing about the overall size of the ship. We can only assume it was huge!

And it was. I just found this painting that shows it in much better detail, if only from the rear:

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