Falwell: Liberty University to allow guns in dorms
Source: Lynchburg News & Advance
Posted: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 3:28 pm
By Tobi Walsh and Eleanor Roy
Contact Tobi Walsh at (434) 385-5530 or twalsh@newsadvance.com
Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr. said Wednesday the university will overturn its policy prohibiting concealed firearms in residence halls.
The schools current weapons policy allows students, faculty and staff with concealed-carry permits and approval from the Liberty University Police Department to carry concealed guns on campus, except in dorms.
The decision to eliminate these weapon-free zones came after Falwell urged eligible students to get their concealed-carry permits during Fridays convocation.
The schools executive board supports the decision unanimously, Falwell said in a phone interview, though it hasn't voted on it.
This has been a breaking news update.
Read more: http://www.newsadvance.com/news/local/falwell-liberty-university-to-allow-guns-in-dorms/article_6e29bcd6-9eb3-11e5-b613-d32e81240352.html
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Now up to the students on going or not.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)their Dear Leader does.
JustADumbFireman
(59 posts)... until the idiots that attend this "university" start Darwining themselves.
Bigmack
(8,020 posts)was to follow it up with a post about how we'll soon see Nature culling the herd at Liberty University! Great minds run in the same circles, i guess... Ms Bigmack
JustADumbFireman
(59 posts)winstars
(4,220 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Concealed carry is permitted at many schools and I'm not aware of people shooting each other? And why do you want to supply ammunition to people with guns?
Loki
(3,825 posts)n/t
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)I understand this is already happening on other campuses.
I consider Liberty University to be a laboratory.
I think they should drop their restriction on open carry though. 18-21 year olds also have the right to feel safe.
erronis
(15,328 posts)And you know that pubescent (and post- ones) like to have their weapons ready, just in case.
Skittles
(153,185 posts)this is utter BULLSHIT
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)Not a state school. Not a school any person of a liberal persuasion would attend unless it was to observe the fundies in their natural habitat.
Skittles
(153,185 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,600 posts)The Student Veterans Association is open to student veterans who have served honorably in the U.S. Armed Services. Faculty and staff members of Liberty University who are veterans are encouraged to get involved in the group as well. Veterans will be requested to present a DD-214 in order to protect against stolen valor.
Best wishes.
Skittles
(153,185 posts)and I think people who feel the need to carry everywhere are paranoid gun humpers
Best wishes
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)They'll be concealed, not open carry.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Doesn't EVERYONE have the right to feel safe?
I think we should set no limit on the minimum age for open carry, because if they set an age limit, the younger ones will want what the older ones have, and do whatever they can to get it.
And why is this limited to hand guns? We have the right to bear ARMS. I should be able to have a shoulder mounted missile launcher with nuclear grenades in my locker there! After all, they are arms too.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)so long as they limit it to the campus of Liberty University.
olddots
(10,237 posts)you're such a putz .....
houston16revival
(953 posts)I would be concerned about the mix of guns and alcohol, drugs, adolescent hormones, jealousies,
love triangles and breakups.
Here we have guns and God, and not much of the rest if they are as pure as reported to be.
Should be interesting.
One previous post called it a laboratory?
Yes. Exactly.
longship
(40,416 posts)The rest of what you mention they'll have.
However, no hand holding on campus. So they'll take their boinking to the local motels, which undoubtedly do a bang up business (so to speak).
tabasco
(22,974 posts)before they regret this.
JustADumbFireman
(59 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)people love to hate......I suppose it's progressive, but I have my doubts.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)SOON
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Seek help immediately.
erronis
(15,328 posts)hatrack
(59,592 posts)"I didn't think it was loaded!"
"I was putting it back in the drawer and I just dropped it!"
"I was practicing my quick-draw in the mirror!"
"I was cleaning my gun . . . "
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Many college campuses allow for concealed carry, so far, no negligent discharges, what makes this any different?
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Can you name at least three?
Thanks.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,600 posts)I'm choosing a site that appears nonpartisan.
10/5/2015
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Concealed Carry Weapon Laws and College Campuses
All 50 states allow citizens to carry concealed weapons if they meet certain state requirements. Currently, there are 19 states that ban carrying a concealed weapon on a college campus: California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee and Wyoming.
In 23 states the decision to ban or allow concealed carry weapons on campuses is made by each college or university individually: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, Virginia, Washington and West Virginia.
Because of recent state legislation and court rulings, eight states now have provisions allowing the carrying of concealed weapons on public postsecondary campuses. These states are Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Texas, Utah and Wisconsin. During the 2015 legislative session, Texas' legislature passed a bill permitting concealed weapons on campus and making it the eighth state to permit guns on campus. The legislation will take effect in August 2016.
Utah remains the only state to have statute specifically naming public colleges and universities as public entities that do not have the authority to ban concealed carry, and thus, all 10 public institutions in Utah allow concealed weapons on their property. Recently passed Kansas legislation creates a provision that colleges and universities cannot prohibit concealed carry unless a building has "adequate security measures." Governing boards of the institutions, however, may still request an exemption to prohibit for up to four years. Wisconsin legislation creates a provision that colleges and universities must allow concealed carry on campus grounds. Campuses can, however, prohibit weapons from campus buildings if signs are posted at every entrance explicitly stating that weapons are prohibited. All University of Wisconsin system campuses and technical community college districts are said to be putting this signage in place. Legislation passed in Mississippi in 2011 creates an exception to allow concealed carry on college campuses for those who have taken a voluntary course on safe handling and use of firearms by a certified instructor.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)as in ID, UT.
yardwork
(61,703 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)You need to be 21 in most states for concealed carry.
This will prohibit all but half of the senior class for traditional students.
erronis
(15,328 posts)To say nothing about <ahem> non-background exchanges between friends.
Do you think the campus police will be able to frisk every coed that might be carrying? The schools can't afford to pay their instructors enough to live on - will they spend money on men-in-blue with questionable abilities?
SpookyDem
(55 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)that the students would carry with out license. But I could be wrong.
hack89
(39,171 posts)by definition.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)jmowreader
(50,562 posts)tanyev
(42,606 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,160 posts)If someone decides they need to give someone else a "go to Jesus moment".
valerief
(53,235 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Because I'd bet they have to pay out before this year's Freshman class graduates.
Turbineguy
(37,364 posts)With that many Christians (of their ilk) in one place, it pays to be armed.
IronLionZion
(45,523 posts)Everyone knows how rational and responsible most college students are....
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)JudyM
(29,270 posts)I'd be happy to sit back and watch except that it's kids, don't want em to get hurt. But still...
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)There are already many college campuses that allow for concealed carry, so far, nothing.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)It's just that previously, carrying a weapon with a concealed carry permit on campus also came with the added bonus of potential expulsion from Liberty U.
Now that there is no incentive, I expect fewer students to carry weapons at Liberty.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)You can't screw, but you can shoot floor mates who get too rowdy.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)what makes you think this will be any different?
leftyladyfrommo
(18,870 posts)yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)When I was in college. Everybody hunted. It was a rural area.
Now I can't imagine the shit you'd get into most places.
I used to wear a Buck 110 knife to high school. Tons of people wore knives. There was never a stabbing.
I'd seen people roll around fighting on the ground, both wearing a knife, never thinking to pull it.
After the gun industry going from hunting to zombie apocalypse and self defense and after years of foreign policy and politics where violence is often put forward as a solution to complicated problems we have become more violent/
Nitram
(22,869 posts)Particularly if you carry with one in the chamber for good luck.
lark
(23,155 posts)and probably on a regular basis. After all, fear and stand your ground are a big part of these' folks' every day lives. This won't end well at all. How stupid they are. Yeah, save yourselves from gun violence by greatly increasing the # of guns is such an ignorant and counter-productive choice.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Response to GGJohn (Reply #63)
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Nitram
(22,869 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,499 posts)but no way would I allow my daughter to go to a university that allows guns in the dorms. UGH!
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)One roommate was always complaining because he couldn't have his gun on campus. I got out of that room the first chance I got.
Dorian Gray
(13,499 posts)What a nightmare.
Dorm behavior isn't always the best, but add guns to the mix.... just, no way!
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)There's no way I would have wanted to live in a dorm where guns were permitted-- no freakin' way.
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Initech
(100,100 posts)kacekwl
(7,021 posts)when these college kids pull out their penises hmmmm I mean guns to show each other . Accidents happen.
alfredo
(60,075 posts)yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)The bullet would go right through it. And it would look stupid.
alfredo
(60,075 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)DFW
(54,436 posts)They should have gun racks with loaded semi-automatics and AK-47s in the showers in case the Taliban decides to invade Liberty University while the "students" are washing up.
vinny9698
(1,016 posts)Think of the times there have been accidental discharges, when no one is hurt.
Those are not reported, only material damage.
LiberalFighter
(51,073 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)18 to 22 year olds packing heat on a college campus. Brilliant!
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,591 posts)Is the school going to open a shooting range in the Student Union? I wonder what they'll use as targets?
Jerry Falwell Jr.: If more good people had concealed-carry permits, then we could end those Islamist terrorists
Ew-w-w-w!
jetroy
(1 post)Darn! If only U of Florida had that when I was a freshman, my roommate would be dead.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,600 posts)louis-t
(23,297 posts)Someone "cleaning, fooling around with, dropping, didn't know it was loaded" etc.
liberal N proud
(60,343 posts)Bang!
longship
(40,416 posts)nruthie
(466 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)That thousands of college students accidentally shoot each other? Wow.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Sheesh. Next up: "No one could have possibly foreseen that happening."
hughee99
(16,113 posts)gun accidents, violence and death? After reading many of the comments in this thread, apparently it's not just them.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)You have to be 21 to obtain a concealed carry license in Virginia, meaning anyone at Liberty under 21 is not allowed to carry. An applicant also has to "demonstrate competence with a handgun" and can do so by submitting proof of attendance at one of several different handgun safety courses (Liberty offers a qualifying course free of charge). Finally, there is a lengthy list of factors that disqualify someone from obtaining a concealed carry license, such as addiction, conviction for public drunkenness, felony convictions, etc. The requirements for obtaining a CC license in Virginia can be found here - http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_ResidentConcealed.shtm.
And on edit, Liberty already allows concealed carry in most areas on campus without any shootings that I'm aware of and is simply expanding the rule to include dorms.
Paladin
(28,272 posts)You need to understand that the modern-day gun rights movement doesn't give a flying fuck about violence involving guns. These people view incidents like the Sandy Hook school massacre as a more-than-reasonable tradeoff for their access to firearms, and the right-wing interpretation of the Second Amendment which facilitates that access. So if in a week, a month, or a year, some lunatic mows down a bunch of students and instructors at dear old Liberty U., don't expect any of the pro-gun types (including the ones who hang around DU) to care about it---beyond the usual "gun-free zones" insults. They like the way things are. They're enjoying themselves. When you resort to the "Only a matter of time."/"What could go wrong?" warnings, rest assured that the gun enthusiasts are laughing at you.
keithbvadu2
(36,892 posts)"will overturn its policy prohibiting concealed firearms in residence halls"
Why did they have that policy to begin with?
haele
(12,676 posts)Do survivors still get stuck with the bill for the semester if there's a high-noon free-fire on the first week? Or can they apply for a refund?
Haele
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Maybe they'll thin the Dominionist herd a bit.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)A. Education. Real science. Real social policy. Real history (which would put lie to all that crap they feed those young, vulnerable minds). Lots and lots of education. Sadly, many are immune to truth and facts, so this is not likely in the future.
B. Let them bring concealed weapons into school and their dorms. Darwin will win out over time.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)I guess some right-wingers have been nominated to test the theory of whether more guns on campus make the campus safer.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Waitsman
(38 posts)Violence and religion have always been a part of each other.
Religion, far from being beneficial food, turns to poison in infected brains.
― Voltaire
Hal Bent
(59 posts)Darwin be Praised!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)mdbl
(4,973 posts)just in case there is a crazy person there.