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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 09:39 PM Dec 2015

Texas plumber sues dealer after company pickup appears in Syria militant photo

Source: Yahoo! News / Reuters

SAN ANTONIO (Reuters) - A Texas plumber whose company pickup truck with logo and name clearly visible appeared in a photograph of a militant wielding an anti-aircraft weapon in Syria has sued the dealer he sold it to, saying the harassment it generated has damaged his business.

Mark Oberholtzer, the owner of Mark-1 Plumbing of Texas City, said he sold the pickup in October 2013 and was shocked to see the photo on social media.

Mark Oberholtzer said in a lawsuit seeking $1 million damages that he has been forced to carry a gun for protection and was grilled by investigators from the Department of Homeland security and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

The photo was tweeted in December 2014 by a group called the Ansar al-Deen front and describes the truck as being used against the Syrian government in Aleppo, the lawsuit said. The precise affiliation of the participants at the time of the photo was unclear.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/texas-plumber-sues-dealer-company-pickup-appears-syria-203143100.html

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Texas plumber sues dealer after company pickup appears in Syria militant photo (Original Post) Little Tich Dec 2015 OP
he should have taken his logos off before he sold the truck, for pete's sake.... mike_c Dec 2015 #1
Yep, everywhere I always worked we took white spray paint to the logos. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #2
A lot of them madokie Dec 2015 #3
He tried. The dealership would not allow him to do so. AngryAmish Dec 2015 #9
Even so, he knew that meant his logo would be out there. yardwork Dec 2015 #10
I think he'll have a hard time making his case. bluedigger Dec 2015 #4
It would appear that the dealer goofed on that one. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #5
This was just reported on Good Morning America - LiberalElite Dec 2015 #11
An exception to "any publicity is good publicity" (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #6
+1 He was getting hate mail and threatening phone calls christx30 Dec 2015 #13
Here's the photos uppityperson Dec 2015 #7
Hell of drain cleaner ...... Historic NY Dec 2015 #12
"Roto Shooter" (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #15
Are there any odds on whether he removed tools and inventory before the sale? edgineered Dec 2015 #8
"we're fixing their pipes over there, so we don't have to over here!" nt Javaman Dec 2015 #14
There are a number of people in TX who have not learned to think critically.. vkkv Dec 2015 #16
am I stupid or does this beg the bigger question ... Myrina Dec 2015 #17
You're definitely not stupid. ozone_man Dec 2015 #19
They were Munificence Dec 2015 #20
A lot of US SUVs and light trucks are bought at auction to sell overseas. LeftyMom Dec 2015 #21
Not sure but I think Texas has "frivolous lawsuit" limitations BlueCollar Dec 2015 #18
An NPR Morning Edition story last week interviewed a Syrian fugitive ucrdem Dec 2015 #22

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
1. he should have taken his logos off before he sold the truck, for pete's sake....
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 09:42 PM
Dec 2015

Of course, that's someone else's fault.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
10. Even so, he knew that meant his logo would be out there.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:36 AM
Dec 2015

I'm not sure if his lawsuit has any merit. If we sell objects with our logo and name on them, we give up control.

It seems like selling a computer or phone with files still on the device.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
4. I think he'll have a hard time making his case.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 09:57 PM
Dec 2015

If the Feds haven't pursued a connection, it wil be tough for him to prove they knowingly did it. I would guess the dealer didn't think it was worth cleaning off his crap from a work truck, and just sent it to auction as is.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
11. This was just reported on Good Morning America -
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:56 AM
Dec 2015

he claims the dealer said they had a better way to remove the decals.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
13. +1 He was getting hate mail and threatening phone calls
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:24 PM
Dec 2015

when those pictures started. John Oliver did a clever riff on it: "I'm not a terrorist, but if you want to make a pipe bomb, I can meet you halfway."

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
8. Are there any odds on whether he removed tools and inventory before the sale?
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 11:39 PM
Dec 2015

Had he not removed the tools and inventory could we also place odds on whether he abetted the militants by providing material support? I can hear the screams about how the government is too big if that were the case.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
16. There are a number of people in TX who have not learned to think critically..
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:35 PM
Dec 2015

So fear and a reactionary response directs them..

Like in S. Carolina where southerners believed that solar panels soak up ALL OF THE SUN!.. Nope, no sun for you !!

Please SECEDE ! ! ! !

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
17. am I stupid or does this beg the bigger question ...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:39 PM
Dec 2015

Of who, over here, is selling equipment to "the enemy"? Isn't the gov't sort of upset about that possibility or do they know who it is (wink, nudge, Texas ...)

Munificence

(493 posts)
20. They were
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:58 PM
Dec 2015

purchased at auction in TX and then shipped to Turkey.

Who shipped it to Turkey and who received it in Turkey? And how did this vehicle get from Turkey into ISIS's hands.





LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
21. A lot of US SUVs and light trucks are bought at auction to sell overseas.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:10 AM
Dec 2015

There tends to be a glut of them and used Toyotas, in particular, are very popular in other markets. (Domestic SUVs and vans, on the other hand, have very little demand elsewhere but are very much wanted in Mexico, so they tend to go there. Luxury cars go all over, and tend to have weird pockets of demand where specific models or option packages aren't otherwise available.)

Toyota pickups also the vehicle of choice in conflict zones: https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-toyota-pickup-truck-is-the-war-chariot-of-the-third-world-ea4a121e948b#.ah03lacig

There's no reason a truck traded in at a dealer in Texas wouldn't wind up on a lot in Turkey, and there's even less reason to be surprised that somebody in Iraq or Syria went to Turkey and bought a used truck then drove it back.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
22. An NPR Morning Edition story last week interviewed a Syrian fugitive
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:27 AM
Dec 2015

who complained that ISIS fighters run prices up when they come to town because they're paid in dollars and are willing to pay high prices for American goods like candy bars, Axe body spray, Red Bull, etc.

I forget the point of the story but that was a real eye-opener.

.......................
"When ISIS Comes To Town, Everything Changes"
Updated December 10, 201511:27 AM ET

What was it like at the market?

KHEDR: There are two kinds of goods.

SMITH: Two kinds of goods.

KHEDR: Goods for ISIS members and goods for civilians.

SMITH: Khedr says that ISIS fighters had stacks and stacks of American dollars. That's how they're paid. He saw one guy pay 50 bucks for a candy bar. And shop owners realized they could charge crazy prices for the things ISIS fighters liked. And what they liked were Western goods, the kind of things a teenager might buy - Red Bull, Twix bars, pizza.

KHEDR: They're asking for French perfume. They're asking for Axe spray...

SMITH: ...Axe body spray? Like, Axe body spray? Really?

KHEDR: Yes, yes.


http://www.npr.org/2015/12/10/459169812/when-isis-comes-to-town-everything-changes
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