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Omaha Steve

(99,660 posts)
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:05 PM Dec 2015

University of Iowa president sorry for saying unready teachers should be shot

Source: Omaha World Herald-AP

IOWA CITY (AP) — The University of Iowa's new president has apologized to an employee who chastised him for saying publicly that instructors who aren't ready to teach their classes should be shot.

Bruce Harreld told librarian Lisa Gardinier in an email that his statement to the UI Staff Council last week was "an unfortunate off-the-cuff remark." He said he didn't mean to offend anyone or imply that he supports gun violence.

"Frankly, I have used the comment in many, many forums and this is the first time anyone has objected to it. I apologize and appreciate your calling my attention to it," Harreld wrote.

No audio or video of the Dec. 9 meeting exists, the staff council says. Harreld's remark came in response to a staff member's question about instruction, Gardinier wrote in email correspondence she shared with The Associated Press.

FULL story at link.


THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

J. Bruce Harreld, a former IBM senior vice president and lecturer at Harvard Business School and current University of Iowa president

Read more: http://www.omaha.com/news/education/university-of-iowa-president-sorry-for-saying-unready-teachers-should/article_e6c1ff26-a342-11e5-9897-f35f249efc39.html

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University of Iowa president sorry for saying unready teachers should be shot (Original Post) Omaha Steve Dec 2015 OP
It is a phrase many use, so I am less concerned with it's use as I am the reaction to it. randys1 Dec 2015 #1
He's fargin' tone deaf. That's his fault. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #6
Huh? Sorry, but nobody I know goes around saying that . . . brush Dec 2015 #18
Yeah, OK, not defending him at all but it is a saying people use, crude yes. randys1 Dec 2015 #20
As an alumni of U of I I think he should just fire them. jwirr Dec 2015 #2
Firing teaching faculty is so messy. All the paperwork, the appeals, the revoking of tenure... Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #7
These were real people who should not be forgotten - least of all by the 'President' of the UI... xocet Dec 2015 #3
another mass shooting we never hear about. niyad Dec 2015 #22
That's why I support Trump... 63splitwindow Dec 2015 #4
I'm sorry you were offended? Fuck off. Be professional, you fucking bag. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #5
I'm sure he meant to say they should be stabbed to death. valerief Dec 2015 #8
"Frankly, I have used the comment in many, many forums... Kalidurga Dec 2015 #9
I know, huh? peequod Dec 2015 #16
Bruce Harreld should never have been hired in the first place. madaboutharry Dec 2015 #10
I agree. I spent 30 years in higher education administration and Laurian Dec 2015 #14
It's destroying the academy... a la izquierda Dec 2015 #28
+1000. bullwinkle428 Dec 2015 #23
Harreld lied on his resume too. Chitown Kev Dec 2015 #24
what I found more concerning was his idea that there is only one way to do a lesson plan Iris Dec 2015 #26
University presidents who say dumb stuff should all be shot. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #11
See if you said that to him he would probably get it a lot quicker Kalidurga Dec 2015 #17
The problem isn't what he said. sulphurdunn Dec 2015 #12
Meh. Android3.14 Dec 2015 #13
This guy won't hang on to this position for long. Paladin Dec 2015 #15
sadly he will rurallib Dec 2015 #19
You may be right. Paladin Dec 2015 #21
If only there was this much fuss about actual shootings ... Nihil Dec 2015 #25
why listen to the shmuck ? olddots Dec 2015 #27
He is tone deaf even if it is an old turn of phrase. His apology went bad at.... marble falls Dec 2015 #29
It was not just a stupid thing to say. potone Dec 2015 #31
sometimes, adminstrators are the worst! mentalslavery Dec 2015 #30

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. It is a phrase many use, so I am less concerned with it's use as I am the reaction to it.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:08 PM
Dec 2015

The reaction is not this guys fault, per se, the REACTION is BECAUSE of the thousands of events over the past few years involving mass shootings.

brush

(53,788 posts)
18. Huh? Sorry, but nobody I know goes around saying that . . .
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:38 PM
Dec 2015

. . . especially in this day and age.

joking or not. And this guy is a university president?

God!

randys1

(16,286 posts)
20. Yeah, OK, not defending him at all but it is a saying people use, crude yes.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:54 PM
Dec 2015

Before mass shootings were a daily occurrence, hearing that comment would have a different meaning.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
7. Firing teaching faculty is so messy. All the paperwork, the appeals, the revoking of tenure...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:28 PM
Dec 2015

xocet

(3,871 posts)
3. These were real people who should not be forgotten - least of all by the 'President' of the UI...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:24 PM
Dec 2015
University of Iowa shooting
[hr]

...

The shooting

On Friday, November 1, 1991, Gang Lu attended a theoretical space plasma physics research group meeting in a conference room on the third floor of Van Allen Hall. A few minutes after the meeting began, Lu shot three attendees of the meeting with a .38-caliber revolver, then proceeded to the second floor to shoot the chairman of the department in his office.[3]

Christoph K. Goertz, professor of physics and astronomy,[4] was Lu's dissertation chairperson and one of America's leading space plasma physicists. Robert A. Smith, associate professor of physics and astronomy, was also on Lu's dissertation committee. Linhua Shan (S: 山林华, T: 山林華, P: Shān Línhuá), research investigator in physics and astronomy, was the winner of the Spriestersbach prize. Shan had once been Lu's roommate. Dwight R. Nicholson, chairman of the physics and astronomy department,[5] was one of Lu's dissertation committee members.

After the shootings at Van Allen Hall, Lu walked three blocks to Jessup Hall. Lu requested to see T. Anne Cleary, the associate vice president for academic affairs. She was the grievance officer at the university. Lu had made several complaints to her about not being nominated for the Spriestersbach prize. Cleary was shot in the head and died the following day at University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics. Miya Rodolfo-Sioson, a 23-year-old temporary student employee in the grievance office, was shot for reasons unknown. Rodolfo-Sioson survived but was left paralyzed from the neck down. She died from inflammatory breast cancer in 2008.[6]

...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Iowa_shooting
 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
4. That's why I support Trump...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:24 PM
Dec 2015
NO MORE political correctness! That's the ONLY REASON we can't say other people should be shot ain't it!?!

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Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
9. "Frankly, I have used the comment in many, many forums...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:34 PM
Dec 2015
and this is the first time anyone has objected to it."


That is a terrible defense. Actually it's not a defense it's an admission of multiple errors in judgement.

peequod

(189 posts)
16. I know, huh?
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:25 PM
Dec 2015

And this is not an overly PC reaction to his remarks, in my opinion. This guy actually does not appear to see anything wrong with repeatedly threatening to kill staff, however kiddingly.

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
10. Bruce Harreld should never have been hired in the first place.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:38 PM
Dec 2015

He is completely unqualified. The Board of Regents in Iowa conducted a sham process where he was the predetermined hire. It was disgraceful.

Google Bruce Harreld and read the newspaper articles about him, including the ones that were published yesterday after the report on the investigation conducted by the AAUP (American Association of University Professors) in which they concluded that the process involving his hiring was a farce.

The man has no background whatsoever in University administration. At his first public meeting at the University before his hiring was announced, he answered a question concerning sexual assault on college campuses by stating "I have a two letter solution: NO."
He is a corporate hack who knows nothing about the running of a university, the problems of university students, or the needs of the faculty. He needs to do everyone a favor and resign.


Laurian

(2,593 posts)
14. I agree. I spent 30 years in higher education administration and
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:05 PM
Dec 2015

seeing academic positions being filled with business executives makes me crazy!

Iris

(15,659 posts)
26. what I found more concerning was his idea that there is only one way to do a lesson plan
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 06:46 AM
Dec 2015

Your post explains why he would make such an ignorant comment.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
11. University presidents who say dumb stuff should all be shot.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:43 PM
Dec 2015

Somebody had to say it.

(insert sarcasm, just kiddings, and apologies if anyone was offended)

(this is not intended to incite violence of any kind upon anyone)

rurallib

(62,423 posts)
19. sadly he will
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:39 PM
Dec 2015

Iowa has turned into this wonderful place where we keep electing the same corrupt politicians. Governor for life Branstad picks a rich fuck to run the Board of regents and to do his bidding and ruin the U of I. Payback for that liberal campus.

so we will have him until there is some kind of mass upheavel. Better chance that Mount Rainier will relocate to Iowa

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
21. You may be right.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:14 PM
Dec 2015

But never underestimate the possibility of an arrogant, wealthy individual going into full self-destruct mode. Here's hoping.....

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
25. If only there was this much fuss about actual shootings ...
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 05:49 AM
Dec 2015

... rather than just accepting them as "part of daily life in America" and
having a hissy fit about some idiot making a tasteless comment instead ...



marble falls

(57,106 posts)
29. He is tone deaf even if it is an old turn of phrase. His apology went bad at....
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 09:40 AM
Dec 2015

"Frankly, I have used the comment in many, many forums and this is the first time anyone has objected to it. I apologize and appreciate your calling my attention to it," Harreld wrote.

When all it required was, "In light of the times and in retrospect I see where it was a bad choice of words and I apologize."

potone

(1,701 posts)
31. It was not just a stupid thing to say.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:48 PM
Dec 2015

And it was not just tone deaf on the issue of shootings on University campuses (including his own--see above), but it also reveals a contempt for faculty. As an academic, I am sick of university administrators who do not come from an academic background, and sadly some who do, treating the faculty who are highly trained and often underpaid, as if they are a bunch of spoiled, recalcitrant children.

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