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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:25 PM Dec 2015

US 'Not Seeking Regime Change in Syria', John Kerry Says After Meeting With Russian President

Source: ABC NEWS

By PATRICK REEVELL MOSCOW — Dec 15, 2015, 4:49 PM ET


Russian President Vladimir Putin (R) welcomes US Secretary of State John Kerry during a meeting at the Kremlin in Moscow on Dec. 15, 2015.

Following lengthy talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow today, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has said the United States is not seeking regime change in Syria and that the U.S. sees the conflict there "in fundamentally the same way."

“The United States and its partners are not seeking regime change in Syria,” Kerry said in a news conference inside the Kremlin, before immediately adding that the U.S. continues to believe that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has no possibility of remaining the country’s leader in the future.

However, the statement appeared to be the most explicit sign yet that the U.S. is softening its policy towards Assad and marked a significant rhetorical shift for the U.S. towards Russia’s policy in Syria, which previously American officials have said was almost fundamentally at odds with their own.

Washington had been insisting Assad must step down immediately, although recently U.S. officials have suggested that he could remain in power during a transition period. Kerry’s efforts to shift the discussion away from Assad’s personal future, seemed to bring the U.S. closer to Moscow’s position that real peace talks might be able to begin prior to Assad’s removal.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/International/john-kerry-meets-russian-president-vladimir-putin-seek/story?id=35782171

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US 'Not Seeking Regime Change in Syria', John Kerry Says After Meeting With Russian President (Original Post) Purveyor Dec 2015 OP
US beginning to make more sense. elias49 Dec 2015 #1
Tell you what,thankfully we have Wellstone ruled Dec 2015 #2
Just last week rusty fender Dec 2015 #3
It makes one's head spin. Mika Dec 2015 #4
At least they flip-flopped to a better position. EL34x4 Dec 2015 #10
B/C Bernin Dec 2015 #11
+1 GreatGazoo Dec 2015 #20
No difference - the NYT spun "deft removal" from the comments that karynnj Dec 2015 #8
Maybe US won't "seek Regime Change" newfie11 Dec 2015 #5
Good to see US and Russia agreeing on something, 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #6
Yeah. Perhaps significant... Ghost Dog Dec 2015 #7
We are not at war with Eurasia. cigsandcoffee Dec 2015 #9
No, we just conquered parts of it. L. Coyote Dec 2015 #15
Piplineistan Bananastan. Ford_Prefect Dec 2015 #12
The point has long been to bleed Syria. Mission accomplished. leveymg Dec 2015 #13
To sum up: Putin moves Kerry towards peace? L. Coyote Dec 2015 #14
Seems as though. I would love to know the real 'background' on this... eom Purveyor Dec 2015 #16
wait, what? then why are we "supporting" the rebels? Javaman Dec 2015 #17
The US wanted to remove Assad and replace him with a pro US anti Russian government Monk06 Dec 2015 #18
Has Regime Change worked in the ME lately? FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #19
In other news, John Kerry's nose reported as "having grown by several inches". Nihil Dec 2015 #21
Recognition that this proxy war is over and lost. Xolodno Dec 2015 #22
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
2. Tell you what,thankfully we have
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:47 PM
Dec 2015

John Kerry as SOS. Assad will be out in about a year,watch and see. Putin found out what Obama warned him of and what can happen. This has to be settled by the locals and not by the Russians or the U.S.,and it will happen.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
10. At least they flip-flopped to a better position.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:28 PM
Dec 2015

I've never understood this administration's unwavering focus on removing Assad while ISIS is taking over the region.

 

Bernin

(311 posts)
11. B/C
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:00 PM
Dec 2015

Assad refused the Qatari pipeline in favor of a Russian pipeline.
You didn't really believe the BS about the US gov really caring about Syrians now did you???

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
20. +1
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:44 AM
Dec 2015
It all started in 2009, when Qatar proposed to Damascus the construction of a pipeline from its own North Field – contiguous with the South Pars field, which belongs to Iran – traversing Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria all the way to Turkey, to supply the EU.

Damascus, instead, chose in 2010 to privilege a competing project, the $10 billion Iran-Iraq-Syria, also know as «Islamic pipeline». The deal was formally announced in July 2011, when the Syrian tragedy was already in motion...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/08/syria-ultimate-pipelineistan-war/

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
8. No difference - the NYT spun "deft removal" from the comments that
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:05 PM
Dec 2015

said exactly the same thing about Assad not having the ability to unite people and that the Syrians need to pick their government.

The DEFT part was that Assad himself had to leave but the institutions of government, possibly with a new constitution remain.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
15. No, we just conquered parts of it.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 12:21 AM
Dec 2015

But, we will be on our way soon enough, after we finish breaking our longest war record.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
12. Piplineistan Bananastan.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:11 PM
Dec 2015

Exit ISIS & enter Russian backed gas pipeline from Iran to Syria to Europe.

Saudis and Qatar invest in ISIS to prevent same pipeline in favor of one starting in Qatar through Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria.

We get to fight yet another proxy war to defend Saudi and Qatar oil interests, which makes the MIC happy and well funded. Endless war is once more justified to Congress and Voters.

Here we go 'round the mulberry bush...

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
13. The point has long been to bleed Syria. Mission accomplished.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:13 PM
Dec 2015

It no longer matters what happens to Assad. Syria has been eliminated according to plan. A Clean Break.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
17. wait, what? then why are we "supporting" the rebels?
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 04:00 PM
Dec 2015

has anyone talked to them about this?

I'm sure they would have a vastly different impression.

and correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that the original purpose of us sending the rebels arms and flying bombing and drone missions?

fine, whatever. None of it makes sense anyway.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
18. The US wanted to remove Assad and replace him with a pro US anti Russian government
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 06:45 PM
Dec 2015

which would remove Syria as an ally of Russian and possibly deny Russia it's naval and air bases

Eliminating Russian influence in the middle east is what this has been about all along/

Clinton and then Kerry believed Putin lacked the resources and will to get involved

Now they have egg on their faces. The biggest gift to Putin was Turkey stupidly shooting down a Russian bomber and showing the body of one of the pilots being gloated over by Turkmen the Turkmen militia

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
21. In other news, John Kerry's nose reported as "having grown by several inches".
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:51 AM
Dec 2015

> “The United States and its partners are not seeking regime change in Syria,” Kerry said
> ... before immediately adding that the U.S. continues to believe that Syrian President
> Bashar al-Assad has no possibility of remaining the country’s leader in the future.

So, he doesn't want "regime change" but the current regime "has no possibility of remaining"?




Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
22. Recognition that this proxy war is over and lost.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:56 AM
Dec 2015

Saudi Arabia and Qatar don't have the money to keep this up and with Iran and Russia both thumbing there noses about reducing oil output recently (and Iran sanctions about to end which will flood the market with more oil).

Plus the costly civil war in Yemen...

Keep fighting and tank your economy or cut your losses, run and just accept that Iran is going to have more influence in the region.

The Saudi's irrationally assumed the US would get involved with boots on the ground and Russia didn't have the will to intervene. They were wrong on both counts.

The US has its hands full already with Libya and Ukraine with its corruption is making things even more difficult for that situation to play to the way they want.

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